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Ed Hillel

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Not a high second yet at least. Could conceivably be the last pick in the second.
My bad, I thought it was their first this year.

Still, Lynch has done an awful job with his deals. I understand you need to take a risk on Jimmy, but the rest of his term has sucked.

Edit - Oh, good timing!

Sounds like the #49ers will give Dee Ford a multi-year deal once the trade becomes official in the line of 5 years/$87.5M, per source.
LOL

A 2nd and Trey Flowers money for 28 year old Dee Ford. Man does Lynch stink.
 

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I’ve got some info on Humphries. Pats have stayed in contact with him today and are doing all they can to get him to change his mind. Pats are back in play and he’s making his decision tonight.
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My bad, I thought it was their first this year.

Still, Lynch has done an awful job with his deals. I understand you need to take a risk on Jimmy, but the rest of his term has sucked.
I even think the Jimmy deal was a bit risky.
The only saving grace is how they front loaded it and had tons of cash.
His performance has never come close to be worth what he was paid unless one extrapolated his first quarter and a half versus Miami.
 

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Hearing a number higher than $8m/year, but no info on what the number of years is. So maybe Pats are trying to sway him with a 3/30 deal or something. But the calls to Adam today have been from the guys you’d expect if they were going all out to convince him.
 

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I even think the Jimmy deal was a bit risky.
The only saving grace is how they front loaded it and had tons of cash.
His performance has never come close to be worth what he was paid unless one extrapolated his first quarter and a half versus Miami.
It was definitely risky, but one worth making given the upside and position I think.
 

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It was definitely risky, but one worth making given the upside and position I think.
I agree on the position as QB is the most important spot, but I am just saying that a more conservative move may have been to just franchise him and see what he could do over a whole year.
I get the risk they took and it isn’t really fair for me to use hindsight to say that it was too risky.
 

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I agree on the position as QB is the most important spot, but I am just saying that a more conservative move may have been to just franchise him and see what he could do over a whole year.
I get the risk they took and it isn’t really fair for me to use hindsight to say that it was too risky.
If they want to get out of that contract at the end of this year they can with almost no dead money.

In fact jimmy g is the 22nd highest paid qb this year. They front loaded everything last year when they had a ton of cap space, the deal isn’t all that risky.

I bet we find out the ford deal is similar (for example they signed Alexander for huge money, except the details of the deal are actually a 1 year 13 million deal with what basically amounts to a bunch of team options after). The niners might not be picking the right players but they always give team friendly deals.
 

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If they want to get out of that contract at the end of this year they can with almost no dead money.

In fact jimmy g is the 22nd highest paid qb this year. They front loaded everything last year when they had a ton of cap space, the deal isn’t all that risky.

I bet we find out the ford deal is similar (for example they signed Alexander for huge money, except the details of the deal are actually a 1 year 13 million deal with what basically amounts to a bunch of team options after). The niners might not be picking the right players but they always give team friendly deals.
You are definitely right that each deal seems to have an out.
 

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If they want to get out of that contract at the end of this year they can with almost no dead money.

In fact jimmy g is the 22nd highest paid qb this year. They front loaded everything last year when they had a ton of cap space, the deal isn’t all that risky.

I bet we find out the ford deal is similar (for example they signed Alexander for huge money, except the details of the deal are actually a 1 year 13 million deal with what basically amounts to a bunch of team options after). The niners might not be picking the right players but they always give team friendly deals.
Why is it good to frontload a deal in the NFL? Cap space rolls over.
 

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If this is the new normal with WR contracts, I’d happily take it.
It is, and any WR the Pats sign as FA would have been deemed an overpay last week. The market is the market. No discounts, Bruschi’s retired.

If the price is too rich, then make a trade or draft one.
 

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On Humphries, my info is he’s sticking with his commitment to the Titans. Not sure how close he was to flipping. If I get anymore info I’ll post it.
 

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I’ve got some info on Humphries. Pats have stayed in contact with him today and are doing all they can to get him to change his mind. Pats are back in play and he’s making his decision tonight.
I'd love to see him sign the same deal with the Pats and have all the people who gave the signing a C change it to a B just because they are afraid to give Belichick a bad grade.
 

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Why is it good to frontload a deal in the NFL? Cap space rolls over.
It rolls over but you also have to spend x amount (I think 95%? 89%?) of the cap in cash, averaged every three years. So when you have big space and have to spend it anyway, spend it now and leave yourself an out a couple years down the road so you don’t have dead money. These guys aren’t cash strapped, they’re cap strapped. When you have it, use it.
 

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It rolls over but you also have to spend x amount (I think 95%? 89%?) of the cap in cash, averaged every three years. So when you have big space and have to spend it anyway, spend it now and leave yourself an out a couple years down the road so you don’t have dead money. These guys aren’t cash strapped, they’re cap strapped. When you have it, use it.
It still doesn't matter. I mean, you can spend cash in ways that hit the cap now or in ways that are spread out among the years, either of which will help you hit the cash floor. They gave Jimmy G a huge roster bonus year one, so it all counted on the cap year one; making that a signing bonus would have counted the same towards the cash floor but let them spread out the hit on the cap. I don't think it really matters in this case but @kelpapa is right generally; there's not much reason to frontload a deal.
 

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I would think a front loaded deal would lower the overall number. A front loaded deal would have a higher net present value for the player. So a team could trade $1 spent today for $1.10 spent next year.
 

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Bridgewater back to Saints, turned down larger offer from Miami.

This is weird, because he'd have a not-unreasonable shot at being the starting QB for the Dolphins... now. Flores is reportedly not committed to Tannehill in the slightest, and who knows who starts at QB during any interregnum.

That Saints locker room culture must be really good.

Browns Blitzkrieg!
They're throwing the kitchens sink into this year.
 

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Schefter says 4/52. Not as bad as I thought but we’ll have to see how it’s structured.
I agree that it’s not as bad as you or I might have thought it would be but 4 years at @13m is steep for an RB/weapon even Lev Bell. He’s so dynamic though that it’s hard to hate him being added to any team.
 

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$35M guaranteed with max value of $61M. Good luck with your Zeke negotiations, Jerry.
 

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This is weird, because he'd have a not-unreasonable shot at being the starting QB for the Dolphins... now. Flores is reportedly not committed to Tannehill in the slightest, and who knows who starts at QB during any interregnum.

That Saints locker room culture must be really good.


They're throwing the kitchens sink into this year.
Brees' numbers fell off a cliff in the last 5 or 6 games. I wonder if the teddy thinks he's cooked and wants the starting sport with Peyton as the coach.
 

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I would think a front loaded deal would lower the overall number. A front loaded deal would have a higher net present value for the player. So a team could trade $1 spent today for $1.10 spent next year.
Not necessarily. A signing bonus is money in the player's pocket, too, and you can spread that out.
 

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It all hinges on Darnold being the real deal, but I've liked their offseason. Should probably target pass catchers early in the draft.

They need to protect the QB

Crowder, Anderson, Enunwa, Bell, and Herndon(TE) can all catch the ball. They don’t have an elite WR but they have some solid guys. The Oline is not good.
 

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Jets have done well in the offseason; clearly the No. 2 team on paper in the East.

But so much depends on Crazy Eyes
 

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Jets have done well in the offseason; clearly the No. 2 team on paper in the East.

But so much depends on Crazy Eyes
It says a lot about me as a person that I immediately thought of that dude several years ago who wanted advice about how to hook up with a girl that had crazy eyes before realizing you were actually talking about Gase.
 

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Jets have done well in the offseason; clearly the No. 2 team on paper in the East.

But so much depends on Crazy Eyes

1. I won’t count any chickens

2. If I’m Bowles, I’m pissed. I hope he has moved on and is happy in the sunshine of central Florida. That guy got fucked by the gm.
 

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It rolls over but you also have to spend x amount (I think 95%? 89%?) of the cap in cash, averaged every three years. So when you have big space and have to spend it anyway, spend it now and leave yourself an out a couple years down the road so you don’t have dead money. These guys aren’t cash strapped, they’re cap strapped. When you have it, use it.
It's 89% and it's over 4 years. That wasn't an issue for them given my back of the envelope math. They were close to the cap in 2014 and 2015 - 99% and 95.5% respectively. they were at 86% and 88% in 16 and 17 before going about $22M over what the league cap in 2018 was.
 

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It's 89% and it's over 4 years. That wasn't an issue for them given my back of the envelope math. They were close to the cap in 2014 and 2015 - 99% and 95.5% respectively. they were at 86% and 88% in 16 and 17 before going about $22M over what the league cap in 2018 was.
You're right here. I didn't quite make the point I wanted to make when I initially brought this up. These contracts are generally more team-friendly in a front loaded fashion because when you front load a contract, you normally have to give up less guaranteed money. The player getting his guarantee all in the first year of the contract gives them present value of that money and strengthens your negotiating position for less guaranteed money. Less guaranteed money=more cap space.

Also it's a forced financial discipline in making future decisions. If you amortize the guaranteed money, while effectively the same guaranteed money against the cap, it MIGHT force you into keeping a player you would otherwise cut and effectively guaranteeing more money (the salary he makes by keeping him). By pre-paying that money, even if you roll over the cap effectively, some front offices -- especially if they are worried about their jobs -- might not want to cut a player and have dead money (even if it's more of a PR issue). And if that happens you've now guaranteed more money in the actual salary.

In a lot of ways I'm saying pre-paying the cap money has the benefit of keeping a possibly undisciplined front office, more open to all their options.
 

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Mosley's a good player but there's a reason ILB's don't get paid like other front 7 positions, and his deal just annihilated that market. Barr is a good (inconsistent?) player who will be moving to a new position. Maybe he lights it up, maybe he doesn't. That the thing with so many of these Day 1/Day 2 deals, they might work out great but a lot of teams pay a fat premium to find out.
With respect to Mosley, here's a PFF article on why he shouldn't have received that contract - https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-why-teams-shouldnt-break-the-bank-on-cj-mosley-in-free-agency - mostly having to do with his lack of pass coverage (which is only going to get worse as he ages).

Mosley has I believe 4 pro bowls in his first 5 years. If my research is correct, the most number of pro bowls without going to the HOF is 9 (tie among such players as Maxie Baughan, Ruben Brown, Alan Faneca, John Lynch, and others). I wonder if he will break that because he's certainly not a HOF player.