2019 NFL Draft Rounds 2 & 3 Game Thread - No Spoilers

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"Most trades in night 2 since 2010"... have they really been doing rounds 2 and 3 in night 2 since 2010? I thought they started that like 3 years ago.

edit: okay, wow 2010 was when they made that change
 

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PFF: "A torn quad might hurt his draft stock, but Cajuste is one of college football’s most accomplished pass protectors."

Only allowed 2 QB hits and 0 sacks last year.

Cajuste is a high-performing pass-protector with all of the tools to succeed in the NFL. He also earned the ninth-best run-blocking grade among draft-eligible offensive tackles in 2018.

  • 11th-highest overall grade among draft-eligible tackles
  • No. 39 pass-blocking grade in the class
  • No. 9 run-blocking grade among draft-class tackles
  • Allowed just 12 total pressures on 414 pass-blocking snaps from left tackle
 

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Caleb Wilson (TE, UCLA) still available. One of the better pass-catching TEs in the draft but not really a blocker.
 
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So happy they haven’t taken a young QB to this point. Even if their next pick is Finley or Stidham, we’re officially at “flyer” time, and the team can truly focus on draft capital for next year’s QB class. Other teams, many of them, now including the Dolphins, will at least have to think twice about going all in for 2020. I only wish the Pats had been able to trade one of the 3rds for a second next year.

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This draft is fucking incredible. Even Damien Harris I can see the role and why they would like him. Good in pass pro, great vision, has power, team captain type as a bonus.

You booster the pass rush and get a guy who might be an every down player in Wino. You have a huge DB who has played other positions in the secondary with incredible agility for his size as the bigger receiver and maybe TE matchup. Cajuste is athletic and was my favorite of the day 2 guys. They needed tackle depth and they got it.

They got an athletic receiver in Harry who in theory can line up anywhere. He’s not their typical guy but if he hits would help fill the void Gordon leaves while on suspension.

With all draft picks there is a chance of busting but I think you can see the plan here, like the prospects fit for that plan, and generally be excited about what they are doing.
 

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This draft is fucking incredible. Even Damien Harris I can see the role and why they would like him. Good in pass pro, great vision, has power, team captain type as a bonus.

You booster the pass rush and get a guy who might be an every down player in Wino. You have a huge DB who has played other positions in the secondary with incredible agility for his size as the bigger receiver and maybe TE matchup. Cajuste is athletic and was my favorite of the day 2 guys. They needed tackle depth and they got it.

They got an athletic receiver in Harry who in theory can line up anywhere. He’s not their typical guy but if he hits would help fill the void Gordon leaves while on suspension.

With all draft picks there is a chance of busting but I think you can see the plan here, like the prospects fit for that plan, and generally be excited about what they are doing.
Oh man. I hadn’t thought of Harry and Gordon on the field at the same time. That’d be sublime.
 

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How many of the seven picks do they actually use on players?

How many do they trade into 2020?

How many do they package to move up, down or sideways?
 

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Oh man. I hadn’t thought of Harry and Gordon on the field at the same time. That’d be sublime.
Really need one of Gordon and Demaryius to work out. A WR corp of Jules/Dorsett/Gordon or Demaryius/Harry/Harris would work just fine with me. If you remove both Demaryius and Gordon, it looks a little lean.
 

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Really need one of Gordon and Demaryius to work out. A WR corp of Jules/Dorsett/Gordon or Demaryius/Harry/Harris would work just fine with me. If you remove both Demaryius and Gordon, it looks a little lean.
Berrios will get a chance, plus they're not done. Draft isn't over, UDFAs, other team's camp cuts, etc.
 

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You never know how any of these guys will pan out. Some may suck. Others may be really good but get hurt and never reach their potential. Others may seem like bad picks but turn out great. Not a total crapshoot, since higher draft picks, statistically speaking, tend to do better than lower draft picks. But still...hard to say. That said, my impressions of the first five picks:

WR Harry: Strong, physical, fights - and wins - most battles for the ball. I think he could end up being a big-time receiver in this league. Hopefully he and Brady develop chemistry right away.

CB Williams: I think this is by far the strongest position group on the team so I'm like, why draft a guy there? Well, JMac will be 32, and even though they have a couple of guys from last year's draft in the pipeline still, you can never have too many excellent pass defenders. This guy is big and strong and fast and could line up with a lot of the pass-catching TEs in the league, along with the big WRs. Gilmore, Jackson, JMac, Crossen, Dawson, Jones, and now Williams? I wonder if this could mean that Jones moves to S moving forward, as he did that admirably last year at the end (having never played that position before!). Lots of excellent players in that group and Williams seems like a stud.

DE Winovich: Couldn't be more excited about a guy than this. Big-time motor. Elite skills. Not that big but at 256-260 he could hold up fine on the edge. Maybe he gets steamrolled by big tackles but in the passing game anyway, he should be excellent. I think we're going to love watching this guy play.

RB Harris: A bit of a mystery pick for me, given the quality and depth they have at RB. But again, nice to have lots of options. Maybe their RB corps moving forward is Michel, White, Harris, Develin, Bolden, and Burkhead is the odd man out? Harris is a really nice talent for sure.

OT Cajuste: I honestly don't know much about him so I can't speak with any authority here, but the reviews are very positive - including reviews from folks in this forum who know a lot more about him than I do. Sounds like a Pats-type of tackle that Dante will turn into something special. And they do need help at that position so it seems like a wise selection.

On the whole, there are no real head-scratchers to me so far, and I love the players they've taken. Filling some real needs and getting quality across the board.

And now we head into the portion of the draft where BB really excels, so today should be exciting, even though there are a lot fewer "name" guys out there.
 

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Berrios will get a chance, plus they're not done. Draft isn't over, UDFAs, other team's camp cuts, etc.
Yup, not done but what are odds of a Day 3/UDFA making any kind of impact in year 1? Seems like FA market was too rich and then trade market never really materialized. But there’s enough talent here to be in decent shape with considerable upside.

Harry couldn’t have walked into a better situation.
 

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Finley wont make it back to us. I dont think we are drafting a QB until Brady says "this will be my last season".
That hasn't been their MO.
Brissett, O'Connell, Mallet in the 3rd. Jimmy G in the 2nd.
 

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That hasn't been their MO.
Brissett, O'Connell, Mallet in the 3rd. Jimmy G in the 2nd.
This is what I don’t understand about the ‘they should draft a QB this year’ crowd from this draft and last years. They have shown in the past that they will draft a QB with an early pick if they like the player. They’ve been moving down the draft board and not taking QBs which to me is a pretty obvious signal that they don’t like the QBs available. Why would you want them to draft a QB they don’t like just for the sake of drafting a QB?
 

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This is what I don’t understand about the ‘they should draft a QB this year’ crowd from this draft and last years. They have shown in the past that they will draft a QB with an early pick if they like the player. They’ve been moving down the draft board and not taking QBs which to me is a pretty obvious signal that they don’t like the QBs available. Why would you want them to draft a QB they don’t like just for the sake of drafting a QB?
I agree. I think we’re in the area of the draft where Pats like Etling better than QB’s on the board or believe no one else would be much of an upgrade over him at this point. Picking a QB means were cutting at least one of Hoyer/Etling, so maybe the Pats aren’t looking to force their own hand unless the guy is a potential starter post-Brady.
 

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That hasn't been their MO.
Brissett, O'Connell, Mallet in the 3rd. Jimmy G in the 2nd.
Right but I think the Jimmy G/Brady situation where he was forced to deal the guy he had tabbed and groomed has him reluctant to do that again. Just my sense, but i could be wrong. Jimmy G was 5 years ago and Brady has only gotten older.
 

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Yup, not done but what are odds of a Day 3/UDFA making any kind of impact in year 1? Seems like FA market was too rich and then trade market never really materialized. But there’s enough talent here to be in decent shape with considerable upside.

Harry couldn’t have walked into a better situation.
Someone hasn’t been paying attention for the last few years.
Every year, at least one UDFA makes the team and makes an impact, even as a role player.
 

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With Pats bridging the gap a bit Finley could be there
I think that IF the pats go QB (i dont think they will) they will be picking an under the radar guy they knew all along would be there in 4. They couldnt have known Finley would, and if they really wanted him they would have gone for him in 3. Its never been their style to say "wow he is a value here he is falling, lets take him"
 

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Someone hasn’t been paying attention for the last few years.
Every year, at least one UDFA makes the team and makes an impact, even as a role player.
I was pretty clearly talking about the WR position. Mitchell made an impact in year 1 as a 4th rounder. Outside of him, yeah, not much.

Always helpful to follow the conversation before responding.
 

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The Patriots don’t draft for strictly need. As Caserio said last night with Harris, they looked at their options at their pick and took the best football player available that helps the team. They’re not drafting a player simply because of position. They value the depth on the roster moreso than most. They’re not going to waste a roster spot on a QB if they don’t like the player.
 

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The Patriots don’t draft for strictly need. As Caserio said last night with Harris, they looked at their options at their pick and took the best football player available that helps the team. They’re not drafting a player simply because of position. They value the depth on the roster moreso than most. They’re not going to waste a roster spot on a QB if they don’t like the player.
I agree. This is why i think the idea of Finley is a non starter. If they really want a guy, even if the world thinks he is 2 rounds early, they take him. If they dont like a guy, they dont change their mind because he falls 2 rounds late
 

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Right but I think the Jimmy G/Brady situation where he was forced to deal the guy he had tabbed and groomed has him reluctant to do that again. Just my sense, but i could be wrong. Jimmy G was 5 years ago and Brady has only gotten older.
Why would he be reluctant? They got 3.5 years of quality backup QB and traded Garoppolo for a higher pick than they used on him in the first place. That's a home run.
 

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I think that IF the pats go QB (i dont think they will) they will be picking an under the radar guy they knew all along would be there in 4. They couldnt have known Finley would, and if they really wanted him they would have gone for him in 3. Its never been their style to say "wow he is a value here he is falling, lets take him"
I agree. This is why i think the idea of Finley is a non starter. If they really want a guy, even if the world thinks he is 2 rounds early, they take him. If they dont like a guy, they dont change their mind because he falls 2 rounds late
I agree, that's a good take. Their style would be to use a 4th on say Rypien relative to his draft projection of a 6th-7th.
 

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I agree. This is why i think the idea of Finley is a non starter. If they really want a guy, even if the world thinks he is 2 rounds early, they take him. If they dont like a guy, they dont change their mind because he falls 2 rounds late
Then again, the Patriots look for value, not always need.

Finley may have value to them in the 4th round that he did not have in the 2nd.