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Such as...? I'm no draft expert, but aside from Noah Song (who has military commitments) I don't see any college arms with the same or better FV as Cannon still available at pick 44 on the Fangraphs "BOARD," for instance. Granted, they might be higher on Cannon than other outlets, in ranking him 48th overall.

I like both picks. Wouldn't just write off Cannon as low-ceiling--as billy ashley noted, he's had a lot of success already with a sub-optimal swing (one of the profiles the smart teams are targeting in the draft now, it seems), and the player development department has to be feeling good about themselves with the start to his pro career Jarren Duran's been having. Not sure if he's a lock to sign below slot but that would be great too obviously.
Jacob Wallace and Matt Cronin we’re both on the board and weren’t selected. Both are sure-fire relievers who are going to be fast-tracked.
 

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Player: Brock Bell, RHP, State College of Florida Manatee - Sarasota
Team: Boston Red Sox
Pick: 227

J.J. Cooper: He's a righthander out of the State College of Florida, which I always still call the State College Of Florida JC Manatee. Really good program that has produced a lot of draftees over the years.

Bell's interesting. Son of a big leaguer (Jay Bell). But he's even more interesting than that because he's a guy coming off injury. He blew out his arm a couple years ago. Made it back this year midseason. When he did, the stuff was better.

He was a two-way player before the injury. The stuff was better than it was pre-injury. He was touching 97 and showing, at times, a 12-6 breaking ball that shows the potential to be an above-average breaking ball. He even flashed a changeup. Struck out a ton of batters in not a lot of innings -- 23:3 strikeout-to-walk in, I believe, 13 innings.

There's a lot there. A lot of upside there. Now, there's very little track record. And that very little track record is at the junior college level. So there's some risk. But that's why he lasted until the last pick of the seventh round. That said, he has more ceiling than most of the guys taken in the seventh round, I would argue. He could be a very interesting arm for the Red Sox.
 

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If he does sign, it won't be because he's a Sox fan:

Most draft eligible baseball players envision an opportunity to get selected by his home town team. Keane isn’t quite in that category and has been needled for where his loyalties lie.

“I’m a diehard Yankees fan, but if the Red Sox take me, I’ll be happy,” Keane said with a smile. “My father grew up in New York as a Yankees fan, so I became one as well.”
 

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Keane told the Herald he was surprised the Red Sox picked him. The Sox have also taken a bunch of HS kids today. They don't have much money to work with, so they might just be making him an offer of whatever they have left and daring him to go to school. If not they still have other guys to give money to. Would be a bummer though. Die hard Yankees fan, fwiw.

At one point he was rumored to want $1 million. Which the Red Sox don't have half of.
 
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We did this last year with Feltman and he is getting lit up in AA. So I am fine with them going a different route this year if they think that is what is needed to improve the farm system
Lit up? He had a rough first start and has been fine since. In fact, cherry picking here, minus his first two appearances he has 11 K's and 3 BB's in 10.1 IP. He's doing pretty well.
 

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I mean he has a 5.75 ERA in AA. Sure, when you remove the games he sucked his stats look better, but he definitely isnt getting "fast tracked" to the Sox pen before next year at least. He has given up 14 hits and 16 walks in 20.1 innings.
 

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Lit up? He had a rough first start and has been fine since. In fact, cherry picking here, minus his first two appearances he has 11 K's and 3 BB's in 10.1 IP. He's doing pretty well.
It was actually a three appearance stretch in early May where he gave up 5 hits, 8 ER and 9 BB with only one K that inflated his overall stats. Minus that he’s at 17.1 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 7 BB, 20K. So pretty damn good. He just lost his stuff for a brief stretch. He may not be on the fast track anymore (or he may be, if that turns out to be just a hiccup) but he definitely has not been getting lit up, as you noted.
 

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isnt consistency in a RP really important? the fact that he went through a stretch where he was terrible doesnt mean we can just exclude that stretch from his overall season line.
 

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It was actually a three appearance stretch in early May where he gave up 5 hits, 8 ER and 9 BB with only one K that inflated his overall stats. Minus that he’s at 17.1 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 7 BB, 20K. So pretty damn good. He just lost his stuff for a brief stretch. He may not be on the fast track anymore (or he may be, if that turns out to be just a hiccup) but he definitely has not been getting lit up, as you noted.
So do we have any speculation on his sleeping habits in the good games vs the bad games?
 

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isnt consistency in a RP really important? the fact that he went through a stretch where he was terrible doesnt mean we can just exclude that stretch from his overall season line.
Sure consistency is important. And if he’d had a bad outing on 4/16, then another on 4/27, then another on 5/4, then another on 5/13, I’d be more concerned. But when the bulk of his bad outings come in three consecutive appearances I’m less concerned. Could have been sick, could have lost his mechanics a bit, who knows. Bad stretches happen to pitchers, especially developing pitchers. Outside of that 3 game sample he’s been very good. I think people are mostly just taking issue with your characterization of him getting lit up when a deeper dive into the game logs shows his bad performances were both isolated and clustered, and overall he’s actually been doing well.
 

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Any example of throwing out good or bad games to make a point has a rich history, and the greatest proponent of this art once speculated about the sleep habits, in exhaustive detail, about a certainb player. Honestly people not knowing about this legendary figure is more disappointing than people not knowing "Tom Terrific" was Seaver.
 

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Any example of throwing out good or bad games to make a point has a rich history, and the greatest proponent of this art once speculated about the sleep habits, in exhaustive detail, about a certainb player. Honestly people not knowing about this legendary figure is more disappointing than people not knowing "Tom Terrific" was Seaver.
This is Tom Terrific. Anyone now calling someone that is making an incredibly dated reference to a 60 year old mediocre cartoon. So it's right in a sportwriter's wheelhouse.

 

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Any example of throwing out good or bad games to make a point has a rich history, and the greatest proponent of this art once speculated about the sleep habits, in exhaustive detail, about a certainb player. Honestly people not knowing about this legendary figure is more disappointing than people not knowing "Tom Terrific" was Seaver.
Well I don’t think it’s crazy to toss (or more accurately, discount) a tightly clustered three game stretch of poor performance when debating how effective he’s been so far, or whether he’s been getting shelled at AA, which was really the argument we were having.
 

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Any example of throwing out good or bad games to make a point has a rich history, and the greatest proponent of this art once speculated about the sleep habits, in exhaustive detail, about a certainb player. Honestly people not knowing about this legendary figure is more disappointing than people not knowing "Tom Terrific" was Seaver.
I yearn for the days of Eric Van, whom I assume we are referring to?

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/9227396/baseball-stats-revolution-changed-sport-not-culture-espn-magazine

Those were truly the glory days of this board.
 

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Nope it has nothing to do with that . It goes back to an ex member who used to isolate the good stretches of a particular Red Sox catcher from his bad stretches by speculating on his sleeping habbits. Unless you were on this board in 2009 or so you wouldn't get the joke.
 
Any example of throwing out good or bad games to make a point has a rich history, and the greatest proponent of this art once speculated about the sleep habits, in exhaustive detail, about a certain player. Honestly people not knowing about this legendary figure is more disappointing than people not knowing "Tom Terrific" was Seaver.
I ran a simulation on my strat-o-matic on this and the chances of people not knowing about this are 1 in 2,347,421.

Minus that he’s at 17.1 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 7 BB, 20K. So pretty damn good.
When we back out the bad games and cherry pick the good ones, we then have to do it for the comparison set. Even among AA Red Sox, not to mention the rest of AA, a 3.7 BB9 when removing the worst 3 games is mediocre.

And a 2.63 ERA after removing the worst 3 is actually not good either (compared to other relievers in the minors). And it indicates nothing predictive at all. Nor is it descriptive, due to the cherry picking.
 
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Nope it has nothing to do with that . It goes back to an ex member who used to isolate the good stretches of a particular Red Sox catcher from his bad stretches by speculating on his sleeping habbits. Unless you were on this board in 2009 or so you wouldn't get the joke.
I wasn't referring to the inside joke.

Just how others weren't sure if Song would pitch for us.

There's a chance he could if this report is accurate.
 

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I ran a simulation on my strat-o-matic on this and the chances of people not knowing about this are 1 in 2,347,421.



When we back out the bad games and cherry pick the good ones, we then have to do it for the comparison set. Even among AA Red Sox, not to mention the rest of AA, a 3.7 BB9 when removing the worst 3 games is mediocre.

And a 2.63 ERA after removing the worst 3 is actually not good either (compared to other relievers in the minors). And it indicates nothing predictive at all. Nor is it descriptive, due to the cherry picking.
Fair enough. Even subtracting the bad outings his walk rate is too high, for sure. His ERA isn’t incredibly low or high. His WHIP is sub-1.00. Seems solid to me for a 22 year old in AA in his second pro season. Anyway, the argument was whether or not he was being “lit up”. When you’ve got a cluster of horrid outings sandwiched by otherwise solid to good outings, I’d say that’s not a fair characterization of his performance to date. A quick look at his game logs would show that he’s been good far more than bad.
 

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Link stolen from Soxprospects.com, song intends to sign with the Sox and honor his commitment to the Navy.

 

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7th-rd @MLBDraft pick Brock Bell signs w/@redsox for $465K (pick 227 value = $$187.7K). @SCFBaseball RHP is a power arm, up to 97 mph, feel for CB. Came back from TJ this year. Red Sox Draft:



8th-rd @MLBDraft pick Will Dalton signs w/@redsox for $135K (pick 257 value = $159.7K). Corner OF from @GatorsBB has power, w/swing and miss, didn't have great jr year.


Congrats to former FAU closer Zach Schneider, who has reached a free agent agreement with the Boston Red Sox. He'll report to the #RedSox spring training complex in Fort Myers this weekend. #WinningInParadise #BocaRaton #OwlIn


Officially a Boston @redsox , blessed to be drafted by my hometown team. Keep working hard dreams do come true⚾. - - Leon Paulino


5th-rder Jaxx Groshans signs with @redsox for $304,200 (full pick 167 value). Kansas C, track record of all-fields contact, showed more power this spring, average arm, still polishing up receiving. @MLBDraft