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My assistant pro got a Titleist rep to come out to the club and do a fitting on the range. Hopefully should work out well.
 

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That’s awesome. You’re golden. The OEM reps are huge gear-heads. They’re probably going to slam you more information than you can process. I love chatting them up on demo days.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
1. 5-iron* that I carry ~165ish. It is generally my 175 yard club.

2. Stock PW for my iron set. I’m not sure what the exact loft is.

3. 2 wedges, 52, 62. I know this is weird, I bought the 62 by accident. I’m going to add a 56 and maybe a 60 to replace the 62.

* I technically still carry a 3 and 4 iron in my bag, but I’ve moved to 3 and 4 hybrids so I don’t actually take a full swing with those irons any more. 5 iron is the longest iron I feel comfortable taking a full swing with.
 

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Also anyone hit for Ryder Cup tickets last week? Got the email that I won the lottery and will be able to purchase next week.

Plan is to go out on Thursday -
Thursday - Play the U (UW home course - I love it)
Friday - Ryder Cup/Sand Valley
Saturday - hoping for a badgers home game
Sunday - Ryder Cup/Sand Valley

Will do one of either Friday/Sunday at Sand Valley or at the Ryder Cup

I will be stationed in Madison with my cousin so 2 hour drive but should be a great long weekend.
 

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I carry a 3 iron that is my 225 club. But I also carry a 5 wood so I only have room for 2 wedges. I don't know what degree my PW is. I think its 47 or 48 so I have a 53 degree wedge and a 58 degree wedge.

I guess I get the need for more than 2 wedges other than your PW but to be honest I can hit a variety of shots with all 3. My stock PW is around 138-140 and my 53 goes about 113 so if I had a 120 yard shot I'd feel just as comfortable hitting a 3/4 PW.

A lot of players are now getting a specialized PW. Like a 48 degree Vokey. I could never afford to do that as I've had my irons since 2012 and love them and I try to switch wedges every 2 years.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
1. 5-iron, 23.5 degrees. I carry it around 180-185. I’ve got a pair of hybrids after that.

2. 49 degrees.

3. Only two: 54 and 58.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
1) 4 iron, carry 195-200
2) PW, 46 degrees (Ping iBlade)
3) Usually 3, a 48 degree vokey bent to about 50.5, a 54 degree vokey, and a 60 degree TM

Sometimes I'll swap out the 50 degree wedge for a 2 iron from my old set of titleist DCI 962s. Off the tee I typically carry the 2 iron 230-240, closer to 210-220 off the turf but I primarily use it off the tee on courses with lots of par 4s where driver isn't a smart play.
 

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That’s awesome. You’re golden. The OEM reps are huge gear-heads. They’re probably going to slam you more information than you can process. I love chatting them up on demo days.
Yeah the only requirement was getting a few guys to go so it wasn’t him coming out for just 1 person. That was easy to manage.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
1. 5 iron. 190 if I flush it. Usually 180-185 though.
2. 49 degree approach wedge. Hit it about 110-115.
3. 2 wedges after that, 56 and 60 degree. 56 I play from about 80 yards to 40 yards out, 60 degree in from there. I used 60 degree exclusively around the green unless it’s a really specific shot.
 

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My lowest iron is a 6. Lol at me.

5 hybrid - 27 degree, carry is probably 145-150
PW - I think 48 degree. 100 yds
I’ve got gap at 51 degrees and 56 degree sand wedge.

I’m unfortunately at point where I’m mostly hitting hybrids into greens.

I will have to live vicariously through my son, who’s already moved up to slightly stiff shafts at 14 years old. He just got fitted for new sticks at Chris Cote’s golf shop in Portland CT - he and we were happy with the process and results.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
1. 4i - carry 200-210

2. PW - 45*

3. 3 wedges, 52-10* Vokey, 56-10* Mizuno, 60-08* Vokey
 

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Separately, got the chance to play TPC Scottsdale (Stadium) and Paiute (Wolf, Snow) over the course of a couple of days this past week. Went 79, 84, 76 (personal best) respectively, biggest thing for me by far has been ditching my old putter for a two-ball blade. On the front of Snow, I eagled each par 5 with 40’+ putts - complete flukes but just not something I remotely had in my bag before.

I can’t say enough good things about Paiute - the golfpalooza deal for $225 is unparalleled in my opinion. For Vegas, it’s the best value and experience going (caveat - haven’t played Cascata)
 
I have a 2-iron, which I carry about 195-200 (when I hit it well). I'm not a long hitter, but some of the distances you guys are quoting...are you sure you hit your irons that far? Or are those your best-case projections with a hint of wind behind you? (Or maybe some of you should focus less on distance and more on accuracy, at least where your irons are concerned?)
 

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I have a 2-iron, which I carry about 195-200 (when I hit it well). I'm not a long hitter, but some of the distances you guys are quoting...are you sure you hit your irons that far? Or are those your best-case projections with a hint of wind behind you? (Or maybe some of you should focus less on distance and more on accuracy, at least where your irons are concerned?)
Yeah, I had similar thoughts. I wish the original question included a handicap ask. I've played with a couple people in the thread and I'm a pretty big hitter for my age and I honestly can't believe how many people claim they hit their 4 iron 210+. I live in Denver, so I do, but that carry means your driver clubhead speed should be in the 120s at sea level yardages. I can vouch for one guy here that he may even be underselling himself, but seriously, if you can hit a 220+ iron at sea level I feel like there should be a lot more stories about people shooting 67 than there are. I don't mean to imply people are lying, just that the flushed 4 iron you hit down hill with the wind isn't how far you usually hit a 4 iron.
 

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I have a 2-iron, which I carry about 195-200 (when I hit it well). I'm not a long hitter, but some of the distances you guys are quoting...are you sure you hit your irons that far? Or are those your best-case projections with a hint of wind behind you? (Or maybe some of you should focus less on distance and more on accuracy, at least where your irons are concerned?)
Just like everyone on SOSH is above average looking and over 6’ tall everyone here hits their irons a mile.

The lowest iron on my bag is a 5 iron that I carry 175, I sometimes carry a 4I that is bent to almost a 3I if I think I’m going to need or want low running shots(lots of wind, hardpan). I carry that about 175 too but it runs like crazy.
My PW is 48 deg and I used to hit it 125 but something changed in the past month and now I hit it 115, none of my other clubs changed that much. It really has me stumped.
I also carry a 52 and 56 all the time and I have a 60 that I swap for the 4I noted above.
 

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4I - My feel good 185 club.
PW- 46* .
3 other wedges. (50, 54, 58)

Yep- I carry 4 wedges. Where I am not long, generally speaking, I have accepted that I need to do my par making from <110 in. So I'll play long 4s as short 5s and trust my wedge play to make a 4, rather than try to hit a career best hybrid in.
 

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I have a 2-iron, which I carry about 195-200 (when I hit it well). I'm not a long hitter, but some of the distances you guys are quoting...are you sure you hit your irons that far? Or are those your best-case projections with a hint of wind behind you? (Or maybe some of you should focus less on distance and more on accuracy, at least where your irons are concerned?)
I doubt I’m included in this (I don’t consider a 180 5 iron super long) but I can’t vouch for some of the folks here. I know FL4WL3SS, PSK, and Zomp can move it good. I have friends at home who hit their 2 and and 3 ironsas far as my driver (225-230ish) on a regular basis. And I have one friend who is easily the longest hitter I’ve ever seen (he’s a 1). He hits his 3 iron 250 easy. It’s crazy.

I’m pretty much the shortest hitter of all my friends but still can manage my way around good enough.

Also funny story from yesterday. On a par 3, it’s probably playing 210 but it was windy and tough to know exactly. I hit a 5 wood onto the green, my friend asks how far I think I hit that and I said “I dunno. 200-205 maybe?” He asks don’t I know how far I hit my clubs? I’m like “nope, I just know this is a 5 wood”. He was baffled but I really don’t know accurately and kinda have to go off a bit of feel. Then I usually take extra club.
 
Then I usually take extra club.
I think this is the key point right here - I suspect that if most golfers calculated their distances, figured out what club they (think they) hit that distance and then take one more and swing just a little easier, their scores would probably improve. Or maybe not even swing a little easier: it's usually OK to finish 5 yards past the flagstick if you happen to put a good solid swing on the ball and catch it sweetly. I'm pretty sure that if you plotted the finish of every normal approach shot the average golfer hits into the green, a good 80-90% of them would be short of pin high.
 

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I have a 2-iron, which I carry about 195-200 (when I hit it well). I'm not a long hitter, but some of the distances you guys are quoting...are you sure you hit your irons that far? Or are those your best-case projections with a hint of wind behind you? (Or maybe some of you should focus less on distance and more on accuracy, at least where your irons are concerned?)
It may be more reflective of club category and lofts. My irons are Taylormade Speedblades from a few years ago - a game improvement iron set with strong lofts. The 4i is 20*. I‘m currently a 16 handicap, fwiw. I would guess that some of our better players are using blades or players irons with weaker lofts and less “distance tech”
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
Iron 5, hit it about175/180

shortest 9, 45 degree? about 130

4 wedges PW, 110-125, 50 degree A wedge 110-85, 55 degree Volkey 85-50, 60degree Cleveland 50 in
 

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. I would guess that some of our better players are using blades or players irons with weaker lofts and less “distance tech”
I'm not sure about that. Even the other day when my buddy went and got fitted (I posted about it upthread) they stayed away from blades. The club fitter told us that 75% of Titleist players on tour are playing the T100's, 15% are playing the new CB's, and only 10% are playing the MB's. My buddy was very excited to try the MB (and to be fair, they are extremely sexy) but the fitter put a stop to that thought right away. Why punish mishits when the payoff of a blade isn't that great anymore thanks to modern technology?

My 225 3 iron is a Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli Hi. Its a utility iron but honestly looking down on it you could never tell. I love it.
 

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I'm not sure about that. Even the other day when my buddy went and got fitted (I posted about it upthread) they stayed away from blades. The club fitter told us that 75% of Titleist players on tour are playing the T100's, 15% are playing the new CB's, and only 10% are playing the MB's. My buddy was very excited to try the MB (and to be fair, they are extremely sexy) but the fitter put a stop to that thought right away. Why punish mishits when the payoff of a blade isn't that great anymore thanks to modern technology?
I’m sure you’re right and didn’t mean to imply that good players are all playing MB-style blades, but the T100 and other “players irons” all have much weaker lofts compared to GI sets that keep getting stronger lofts. (e.g. the T100 4 iron is 24*, T200 is 21*, and the T300 is 20*).

Somewhat related, I’ve been tempted to get fit into a set of Mizuno MP-20 HMB. The lofts are a bit weaker than my current set, so I’m sure I’d have to dial in new distances and check the gapping to my wedges.
 

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I'm not sure about that. Even the other day when my buddy went and got fitted (I posted about it upthread) they stayed away from blades. The club fitter told us that 75% of Titleist players on tour are playing the T100's, 15% are playing the new CB's, and only 10% are playing the MB's. My buddy was very excited to try the MB (and to be fair, they are extremely sexy) but the fitter put a stop to that thought right away. Why punish mishits when the payoff of a blade isn't that great anymore thanks to modern technology?

My 225 3 iron is a Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli Hi. Its a utility iron but honestly looking down on it you could never tell. I love it.
I totally agree with this. I'm a 2 and play the MP-18 MMC 5-P and the Fli-Hi 4 iron. Technology is just too good right now to punish yourself with blades unless you really need to move the ball or control the trajectory a lot. You can get clubs that look like blades over the top but perform like game-improvement clubs on contact and still let you move the ball a bit when needed.
 

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I'm not sure about that. Even the other day when my buddy went and got fitted (I posted about it upthread) they stayed away from blades. The club fitter told us that 75% of Titleist players on tour are playing the T100's, 15% are playing the new CB's, and only 10% are playing the MB's. My buddy was very excited to try the MB (and to be fair, they are extremely sexy) but the fitter put a stop to that thought right away. Why punish mishits when the payoff of a blade isn't that great anymore thanks to modern technology?

My 225 3 iron is a Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli Hi. Its a utility iron but honestly looking down on it you could never tell. I love it.
My son just got the MIzuno MP-20 HMBs, which are muscle back by looks but hollow with some tungsten inserts inside the muscle cavity, so they are still perimeter weighted to a degree (just not on top). So kind of a tweeter between both worlds. I hit them a little - no chance in Hades I’d ever get those for myself.
 

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I have a 2-iron, which I carry about 195-200 (when I hit it well). I'm not a long hitter, but some of the distances you guys are quoting...are you sure you hit your irons that far? Or are those your best-case projections with a hint of wind behind you? (Or maybe some of you should focus less on distance and more on accuracy, at least where your irons are concerned?)
This is exactly why I hate discussing my yardages with people.
 

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Yeah, I had similar thoughts. I wish the original question included a handicap ask. I've played with a couple people in the thread and I'm a pretty big hitter for my age and I honestly can't believe how many people claim they hit their 4 iron 210+. I live in Denver, so I do, but that carry means your driver clubhead speed should be in the 120s at sea level yardages. I can vouch for one guy here that he may even be underselling himself, but seriously, if you can hit a 220+ iron at sea level I feel like there should be a lot more stories about people shooting 67 than there are. I don't mean to imply people are lying, just that the flushed 4 iron you hit down hill with the wind isn't how far you usually hit a 4 iron.
When are you in Seattle again?
 

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This is exactly why I hate discussing my yardages with people.
To be fair to CP, you're an anomaly with your yardages so people probably don't believe you. But most people look at their most pure strike ever and think it's their carry distance. My buddy (that you played with) plays like 3 days a week now and has improved from a 20+ handicap to a 13 in one year and still constantly overestimates his distances to his own detriment.
 

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Have you thought about trying to dial back your distances to increase your accuracy - take something off of every club, including your driver?
sure I have thought about it. I was down to a 9ish handicap last year when I was playing a lot and then had my first son in May. I played maybe once every 2 weeks since.

every time I have tried to change my swing speed my swing gets even more funky. I just don’t have the time at the moment to commit to it. I need lessons and time on the range to change everything wrong I learned teaching myself ten years ago. That time doesn’t exists in my life right now.
 

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I'm not sure about that. Even the other day when my buddy went and got fitted (I posted about it upthread) they stayed away from blades. The club fitter told us that 75% of Titleist players on tour are playing the T100's, 15% are playing the new CB's, and only 10% are playing the MB's. My buddy was very excited to try the MB (and to be fair, they are extremely sexy) but the fitter put a stop to that thought right away. Why punish mishits when the payoff of a blade isn't that great anymore thanks to modern technology?

My 225 3 iron is a Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli Hi. Its a utility iron but honestly looking down on it you could never tell. I love it.
Yep, tour pros have been shifting toward forgiveness for a while. IIRC there is still a sizable minority rocking full sets of blades but others are embracing cavity backs or mixed sets with some help at least in the long iron part of their bag. LPGA, with around 95-100 mph swing speed, is dominated by CB's and tech-filled irons. You'll see a lot of CB's and game improvement irons on the senior tour too.
 

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Separately, got the chance to play TPC Scottsdale (Stadium) and Paiute (Wolf, Snow) over the course of a couple of days this past week. Went 79, 84, 76 (personal best) respectively, biggest thing for me by far has been ditching my old putter for a two-ball blade. On the front of Snow, I eagled each par 5 with 40’+ putts - complete flukes but just not something I remotely had in my bag before.

I can’t say enough good things about Paiute - the golfpalooza deal for $225 is unparalleled in my opinion. For Vegas, it’s the best value and experience going (caveat - haven’t played Cascata)
My assistant at work is a pretty decent golfer, the first time he ever played Stadium he shot a 65, this was pre-renovation. He never came close to replicating that round ever. I used to rent a place right on the course, it was pure hell during the WM event, people would park in resident parking all the time....wankers. We are heading over to Scotland is December, there is a new course opening in May called Called Dumbarnie Links, so I'm going to check it out. It's kind of work related so wife has approved a quick visit on the way up to the Highlands.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?
4 - 205
PW - 45-46
3 - 50, 54, 58

My son just got the MIzuno MP-20 HMBs, which are muscle back by looks but hollow with some tungsten inserts inside the muscle cavity, so they are still perimeter weighted to a degree (just not on top). So kind of a tweeter between both worlds. I hit them a little - no chance in Hades I’d ever get those for myself.
I love those clubs

Sometime this fall. I'm going to be working on something that will bring me out there a lot. I need another swing at your track when not 12 out of 10 hungover.
NAC. Haven't had a hangover above a 4/10 in 6 years
 
To be fair to CP, you're an anomaly with your yardages so people probably don't believe you. But most people look at their most pure strike ever and think it's their carry distance. My buddy (that you played with) plays like 3 days a week now and has improved from a 20+ handicap to a 13 in one year and still constantly overestimates his distances to his own detriment.
It's not that I didn't believe him, or that I didn't believe anyone specifically in this thread. It's really more that I didn't like the premise of the question that was originally asked - or at least, the way it was phrased. I actually agree with @FL4WL3SS that it's not terribly useful to discuss yardages: too many people don't actually know their average distance (mistaking it with their perfect strike distance) and/or focus more on hitting their irons as hard as possible to maximize distance rather than finding a way to repeat the same distance with each iron every time, which is how you hit more approach shots close to the hole. Maximizing your distance is important with your driver, and with your fairway woods and hybrids to the extent that they bring longer targets potentially within reach; otherwise, as soon as you talk about and start comparing numbers, the real danger is that you start trying to keep up with the Joneses and hit your irons longer, which really is the last thing most golfers need to be thinking about.

I played a round when I was back in Atlanta a few weeks ago; I was borrowing someone else's clubs, so this won't perfectly illustrate my point, but the best shot I hit all day was a 6-iron from 132 yards. It was slightly uphill, and the ball was a bit above my feet, so I choked up and took a lot of pace off of my swing, and I hit it about 12 feet past the hole and made the putt for birdie. My "normal" 6-iron shot is about 160, give or take...but even if I'm exactly 160 yards from the hole on a windless day, I might still hit a 5-iron - choked down, slower swing, or maybe just "normal" - if I calculate that I'd rather miss long than short, or if I'm not striking the ball well and want to maximize my chances of getting my distance right. And if the wind is blowing, my range of options increases still further. Anyway, the point is that if you (not anyone in particular!) are not at least thinking thoughts like these from time to time, and instead always focus on picking the club that you hit X yards, you're not going to score as well as you should.
 

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Also anyone hit for Ryder Cup tickets last week? Got the email that I won the lottery and will be able to purchase next week.

Plan is to go out on Thursday -
Thursday - Play the U (UW home course - I love it)
Friday - Ryder Cup/Sand Valley
Saturday - hoping for a badgers home game
Sunday - Ryder Cup/Sand Valley

Will do one of either Friday/Sunday at Sand Valley or at the Ryder Cup

I will be stationed in Madison with my cousin so 2 hour drive but should be a great long weekend.
I cant believe we're talking about the Ryder Cup already. Just listened to a recent NLU podcast on the Ryder Cup that started with a cool Payne Stewart/Tiger story.

I never travel without it but talk to me in 15 more years when you're my age :).
Oh good another reason to hate aging? Fwiw I take roughly 1 capsule per drink. I've always had good results when I take a lot and I've seen a few articles about how good it is for you -- drinking or not. I probably have 6-7 bottles around. I keep it on me at almost all times.
 

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An informal poll:

What’s the longest iron in your bag and how far do you hit it? (Carry.)

I’ve got a 5-iron I carry right around 170. I also have a one-length (7.5-iron length) Cobra 5-iron I’ve been trying out that only goes about 160. I carry a 4 hybrid that I hit 180-185, and a 3-hybrid that carries around 195 or so. No fairway woods right now, so anything much longer than 200, and I’m laying up.

What loft is the shortest iron, (part of your iron set,) before wedges?

Stock pitching wedge, about 115 for a full swing.

How many wedges (not an integral part of your iron set) do you carry?[/QUOTE]

Three. I’ve got a 52 I hit 100-105 and in. A 60 degree that goes about 75. And a 64 that I just use from the sand and at certain times around the green.
 

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Speaking of distances I wish there was some sort of calculator that could give you the expected yardages for all your clubs based on info from some of them. I'm really only confident in 7 and 8, and I estimate from there. IMO launch monitors exagerrate distance and range balls understate them.
 
Come on. For some people an easy swing is right and for some a hard swing is right. I swing hard and have been between 0-4 for a lot of years and shoot under par frequently.
Obviously I'm not talking about swing tempo in absolute terms - I'm talking about whether you're always trying to nail the ball and get 100% distance out of every iron swing, as opposed to knowing how to swing within yourself and understand how it works best for you to take something off of your approaches. (If you're good enough to be under a 4 handicap, you probably know what I'm talking about anyway.)
Is that what you shoot? To be honest I can never get to the end of your 12,000 word posts to find out :)
Heh. My handicap has been between 3-5 for years and I have broken par a few times in competitions...I'm hardly an advert for always practicing what I preach, but in part my recent posts have been an attempt to remind myself of these important truths!
@ConigliarosPotential doesn’t live under par. He lives in the fairway bunker on the 14th hole at Dunbar.
Actually, I haven't hit a tee shot into that bunker for months - I even birdied the 14th my last time out! It'll never last, of course...