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I'm already ready for when we pass on Thybulle 3 times, he ends up going to the Warriors or Spurs at the end of the first and has like a 12 year career as a defensive monster who shoots between 36 and 43% from 3 every year. It feels inevitable.
 

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This guy is my catnip.

Tall dudes that have to play a position down from their height because they're too thin, but can shoot the hell out of it from the perimeter.

If they can grab him with one of their late picks, I'd dig it.

Feel like he'd be a nice 8th man. Unlikely to be much more than that as an old rookie, but think he's unlikely to be a zero either.
yep with you on Cam Johnson. Cam has received quite a bit of love from myself, chillidog and nighthob the last few months. High floor guy. 23yr old redshirt Sr may last until the 2nd round but probably doesn't make it to our #51. Do you use #22 on him?

Other upperclassmen that interest me for the 2nd round: Paschall, Edwards, Thybulle, Markus Howard, Grant Williams, Konate (declared for NBA?)
 
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This guy is my catnip.

Tall dudes that have to play a position down from their height because they're too thin, but can shoot the hell out of it from the perimeter.

If they can grab him with one of their late picks, I'd dig it.

Feel like he'd be a nice 8th man. Unlikely to be much more than that as an old rookie, but think he's unlikely to be a zero either.
You must have loved the JaJuan Johnson trade then! I could go either way on Cam. I’d rather gamble on upside but he seems like he could potentially be a nice bench piece. As always, depends on who else is there.

Also, Thybulle just HAS to be a Celtic.
 

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Cam Johnson would be the ideal "low ceiling" older rookie on a cheap contract playin
You must have loved the JaJuan Johnson trade then! I could go either way on Cam. I’d rather gamble on upside but he seems like he could potentially be a nice bench piece. As always, depends on who else is there.

Also, Thybulle just HAS to be a Celtic.
It depends on where the team is. My position has always been that you gamble on upside when you're rebuilding...….which for me made the Olynyk over Gobert, and for others Giannis, more infuriating. When you're contending you either trade the pick so you aren't locked into a multi-year guaranteed deal on a high upside rookie who a) won't help you win and b) won't get the reps to develop or you look at the 4-year college guys to possibly play backend rotation minutes on a cheap rookie deal.
 

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You must have loved the JaJuan Johnson trade then! I could go either way on Cam. I’d rather gamble on upside but he seems like he could potentially be a nice bench piece. As always, depends on who else is there.

Also, Thybulle just HAS to be a Celtic.
Not my tempo. That dude couldn't shoot it at all.
 

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JuJuan was the Big Ten Player of the Year in large part due to his deadly mid-range shooting. That was a large part of his offensive game.
Good for him I guess. Not looking for mid range shooters at all. Perimeter and Paint.
 

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Good for him I guess. Not looking for mid range shooters at all. Perimeter and Paint.
Only pointing out that he was a real good perimeter shooter who some thought he could play some 3 at the next level once he expanded his range. He just never adapted to the NBA game. He wasn't drafted in 2019.....GM's were still loving a strong mid-range game and Ainge wasn't any different with his draft history.
 

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JuJuan was the Big Ten Player of the Year in large part due to his deadly mid-range shooting. That was a large part of his offensive game.
DPOY in Big 10 and 1st team all America.JaJuan Johnson was the very definition of a high floor, Sr late 1st round pick (27th)...

but if Danny wanted shooting/scoring he would not have dealt, the most deadly scorer in college hoops that year, Marshon Brooks (picked 25th) for JaJuan.
 

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You must have loved the JaJuan Johnson trade then! I could go either way on Cam. I’d rather gamble on upside but he seems like he could potentially be a nice bench piece. As always, depends on who else is there.

Also, Thybulle just HAS to be a Celtic.
I just watched video of Thybulle, and yes, absolutely,positively, without a doubt he guy HAS to be a Celtic. I fell in love with him immediately.
 

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I'm already ready for when we pass on Thybulle 3 times, he ends up going to the Warriors or Spurs at the end of the first and has like a 12 year career as a defensive monster who shoots between 36 and 43% from 3 every year. It feels inevitable.
The Celtics had that monster but Pitino traded him away (as did three other teams before he landed in San Antonio).
 

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I just watched video of Thybulle, and yes, absolutely,positively, without a doubt he guy HAS to be a Celtic. I fell in love with him immediately.
Thybulle’s a guy who is worthless to a rebuilding team but has a skill set to be able to fill a specific role to help a good team win games. Philly is his shot for a good landing spot for him with one of their two early 2nd rounders but if Thybulle gets past them he’s likely going to last well into the 40’s or later. Extremely low upside but def a potential role player on a winning team if he works on his spot-up 3’a.
 

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I agree with the prospect of him falling- see Melton last year- but I think “extremely limited upside” is harsh. The elite 3&Ds of the world aren’t particularly exciting, but they contribute to winning and they’re typically affordable.

Since the defensive artist currently known as Matisse seems to be gaining momentum as SoSH's draft binky, I should post these articles on Thybulle:

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/09/draft-notes-thybulle-thybulle-thybulle/

Which is a follow-up to this piece he wrote a month earlier:

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/06/draft-notes-understanding-matisse-thybulle/

I really like Ben Rubin's draft write-ups. He gives a good balance of stats, historical context and videos, and his analysis is always insightful, even if his big board usually ends up skewing a bit too far off conventional wisdom for me.

TL;DR version: Thybulle's defensive stats run laps around all historical comps who went on to be great NBA defenders, which we shouldn't necessarily discount because he played zone, plus he's athletic with a decent chance of being a good spot-shooter.

Plus, the first link has this paragraph, which alone should make it a must-read for the Port Cellar:

We tend to devalue the idea of defense in this era. After all, it’s highly offensive with the best units averaging 118 or 120 points per 100 possessions. Big time stuff. However, think back to the steroid era of baseball when almost no pitcher could stop opposing offenses with consistency. Now think about Pedro Martinez and his ERA over 200 percent better than league average. Think about how much more valuable Pedro Martinez was precisely because he played in an offensive era.
 

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2016 Draft
Spurs take defensive stud from U-Dub, Dejounte Murray, at #29

2019 Draft
Defensive stud from U-Dub available. Spurs' 2nd pick? #29

It has been written...
 

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say Danny uses 2 picks (Sac & #22) to help land AD. And Danny has to deal a lot of the deep bench (Yabu, TL, Semi) in addition to Tatum (and maybe Smart....ugh:().

PLUS lose Rozier, Theis, MaMo and potentially Baynes to FA.

Would dealing #20 for Brooklyn's #27 & #31 make sense so they could draft a combo of Cam Johnson and ThyBULLe'd instead of a PJ Washington?

Danny would start to fill out the bench with 2 older, cheaper, high floor, ready to contribute in limited minutes rookies instead of 1 higher upside 19yr old.
 

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say Danny uses 2 picks (Sac & #22) to help land AD. And Danny has to deal a lot of the deep bench (Yabu, TL, Semi) in addition to Tatum (and maybe Smart....ugh:().

PLUS lose Rozier, Theis, MaMo and potentially Baynes to FA.

Would dealing #20 for Brooklyn's #27 & #31 make sense so they could draft a combo of Cam Johnson and ThyBULLe'd instead of a PJ Washington?

Danny would start to fill out the bench with 2 older, cheaper, high floor, ready to contribute in limited minutes rookies instead of 1 higher upside 19yr old.
That makes sense to fill out the bottom few spots on the roster. He'll try to fill the 6-9 spots with vet mins.
 

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I agree with the prospect of him falling- see Melton last year- but I think “extremely limited upside” is harsh. The elite 3&Ds of the world aren’t particularly exciting, but they contribute to winning and they’re typically affordable.
Others definitions may vary but this description is word for word how I would describe a player with “extremely limited upside.”

Then again....arguably the greatest pitcher of all time was just used to assist in describing his potential value.

2016 Draft
Spurs take defensive stud from U-Dub, Dejounte Murray, at #29

2019 Draft
Defensive stud from U-Dub available. Spurs' 2nd pick? #29

It has been written...
Now that you brought my draft binky into this his offensive upside is/was much greater as he’s a playmaker who can get pretty much to any spot on the floor with the ball......this is not Thybulle by any means. Murray’s questions surrounded his lack of a jump shot and frail physique which we’ve been over numerous times are the two easiest things for a player to improve upon in time.

Definitely not discounting him being taken by a contender late 20’s as he can potentially fill a role early in his rookie contract. My point was primarily that gap in the first half if the second round where there are only a couple spots he would likely land.
 
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Yeah, I wasn't comparing Dejounte to Thybulle, merely stating that both are U-Dub defensive maestros.
 

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HRB I'm sure can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Dejounte really dominating on defense at UW. He certainly had the tools to and was projected favorably when/if he bulked up, but his evolution into basically the best defensive guard in the NBA last year was shocking. Hopefully the lost season doesn't set him back too much, he's a fun kid to root for. Him and Derrick White make a helluva defensive back court for Pop, though probably not quite as nasty as UW would've had this year if he had stayed four years with his freshman year running mate. Thybulle's obviously a lot closer to what he's going to be as a pro than Murray was, so yeah, his upside's limited with little hope of ever providing much creation, but he does have great tools, more than you might expect from a senior defensive specialist. It’s not like Jevon Carter last year, Thybulle has legitimate NBA length, foot speed, and athleticism on top of the elite instincts and tenacity that made Carter so disruptive at WVU. Someone mentioned Danny Green as a comp, and that sounds like the best one I've heard so far, but with a chance to get to Tony Allen-level on defense.

As a side note, it'll be pretty funny to everyone except Marquese Chriss and Markelle Fultz's moms if Murray and Thybulle turn out to be the best players to come out of the last stage of the Lorenzo Romar era at UW.
 

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HRB I'm sure can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Dejounte really dominating on defense at UW. He certainly had the tools to and was projected favorably when/if he bulked up, but his evolution into basically the best defensive guard in the NBA last year was shocking. Hopefully the lost season doesn't set him back too much, he's a fun kid to root for. Him and Derrick White make a helluva defensive back court for Pop, though probably not quite as nasty as UW would've had this year if he had stayed four years with his freshman year running mate. Thybulle's obviously a lot closer to what he's going to be as a pro than Murray was, so yeah, his upside's limited with little hope of ever providing much creation, but he does have great tools, more than you might expect from a senior defensive specialist. It’s not like Jevon Carter last year, Thybulle has legitimate NBA length, foot speed, and athleticism on top of the elite instincts and tenacity that made Carter so disruptive at WVU. Someone mentioned Danny Green as a comp, and that sounds like the best one I've heard so far, but with a chance to get to Tony Allen-level on defense.

As a side note, it'll be pretty funny to everyone except Marquese Chriss and Markelle Fultz's moms if Murray and Thybulle turn out to be the best players to come out of the last stage of the Lorenzo Romar era at UW.
Definitely didn’t dominate and “maestro” is not really correct for him but he did average almost 2 SPG. At UW in the limited amount I saw, he was flashing the skills that he demonstrated last year. His evolution into a stud at the NBA level was a thing to see. Nobody saw it coming because he lasted until almost the 2nd round despite having good size and athleticism along with playmaking skills,
 

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HRB I'm sure can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Dejounte really dominating on defense at UW. He certainly had the tools to and was projected favorably when/if he bulked up, but his evolution into basically the best defensive guard in the NBA last year was shocking.
No he was rail thin with incredible basketball instincts (passing, rebounding, high energy) and crazy physical tools that projected great upside once he filled out and developed a consistent jumper. I definitely don’t feel he was THE best defensive guard in the league last year and not even on my short list of the best. Individual defensive metrics are skewed toward team defensive numbers and the Spurs has the league’s best DefRat last year.



Hopefully the lost season doesn't set him back too much, he's a fun kid to root for. Him and Derrick White make a helluva defensive back court for Pop, though probably not quite as nasty as UW would've had this year if he had stayed four years with his freshman year running mate. Thybulle's obviously a lot closer to what he's going to be as a pro than Murray was, so yeah, his upside's limited with little hope of ever providing much creation, but he does have great tools, more than you might expect from a senior defensive specialist. It’s not like Jevon Carter last year, Thybulle has legitimate NBA length, foot speed, and athleticism on top of the elite instincts and tenacity that made Carter so disruptive at WVU. Someone mentioned Danny Green as a comp, and that sounds like the best one I've heard so far, but with a chance to get to Tony Allen-level on defense.
Danny Green entered the league as a great shooter who needed time to fill out physically before making an impact defensively. Thubulle is already physically there but when I say extremely limited upside I don’t see him as anything more than a worse shooting Green so even if he becomes a rotational player that is still limited upside by my definition.
 

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A college admissions guy once told me, "I don't look for well-rounded applicants. I'm more interested in the length of the radii."

When you are drafting in the late 20's or 30's, do you go for the well-rounded player or the guy who does one thing really well? Thybulle defends on the ball and his steal numbers are off the charts. In some ways a one dimensional player like Thybulle is less of a risk than a player who does more things less well.

Jevon Carter, drafted by Memphis at #32, is another defensive bulldog who may or may not develop into a rotation player.
 

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A college admissions guy once told me, "I don't look for well-rounded applicants. I'm more interested in the length of the radii."

When you are drafting in the late 20's or 30's, do you go for the well-rounded player or the guy who does one thing really well? Thybulle defends on the ball and his steal numbers are off the charts. In some ways a one dimensional player like Thybulle is less of a risk than a player who does more things less well.

Jevon Carter, drafted by Memphis at #32, is another defensive bulldog who may or may not develop into a rotation player.
If I’m the Celtics, I want the guy who I know has an NBA skill vs. the guy who might have more than one. Thybulle averaged 4 SPG and 2.5 BPG in conference play. As a 6’5 wing. He is an absolute menace and should have a long career as a role player. I have no idea where he goes in the draft but I really want him on the Celtics. He could be the basketball equivalent of a really awesome LOOGY.
 

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Danny Green entered the league as a great shooter who needed time to fill out physically before making an impact defensively. Thubulle is already physically there but when I say extremely limited upside I don’t see him as anything more than a worse shooting Green so even if he becomes a rotational player that is still limited upside by my definition.
College stats:

Green: 184/491 from 3 (37.5%), 84.5% FT (2889 minutes played)
Thybulle: 191/534 from 3 (35.8%), 78.2% FT (3963 MP)

If Thybulle makes and Green misses one more three per year, they're even, so that's close enough to call it a push, even if Green has the edge from the line. That said, Green has been 40% from three in the NBA, which would be an optimistic projection for MT, or most anyone, no doubt. Don’t get me wrong, Danny Green has had a really good career, and a Danny Green-type, "key starter for multiple championship contenders" outcome is at the tail end of MT's possibilities, with maybe Thabo Sefolosha as a more reasonable expectation, but even if he shoots closer to Sefolosha (35.2% career) in a purely spot-up role, his median outcome on defense looks to be "really good", and his outlier, developed-by-the-Spurs outcome is a Tony Allen who can knock down threes.
 

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yep with you on Cam Johnson. Cam has received quite a bit of love from myself, chillidog and nighthob the last few months. High floor guy. 23yr old redshirt Sr may last until the 2nd round but probably doesn't make it to our #51. Do you use #22 on him?

Other upperclassmen that interest me for the 2nd round: Paschall, Edwards, Thybulle, Markus Howard, Grant Williams, Konate (declared for NBA?)
Markus Howard has said he's going back to school.
 

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College stats:

Green: 184/491 from 3 (37.5%), 84.5% FT (2889 minutes played)
Thybulle: 191/534 from 3 (35.8%), 78.2% FT (3963 MP)

If Thybulle makes and Green misses one more three per year, they're even, so that's close enough to call it a push, even if Green has the edge from the line. That said, Green has been 40% from three in the NBA, which would be an optimistic projection for MT, or most anyone, no doubt. Don’t get me wrong, Danny Green has had a really good career, and a Danny Green-type, "key starter for multiple championship contenders" outcome is at the tail end of MT's possibilities, with maybe Thabo Sefolosha as a more reasonable expectation, but even if he shoots closer to Sefolosha (35.2% career) in a purely spot-up role, his median outcome on defense looks to be "really good", and his outlier, developed-by-the-Spurs outcome is a Tony Allen who can knock down threes.
They really aren’t that close as shooters entering the draft.

I had said “when they entered the league”.......Green improved each of his last two years, which always displaying excellent mechanics, to 41.8% as a senior. Thybulle regressed each of his last two years to 30.5% as a senior.

I actually do like the Sefalosha comp as Thybulle’s ceiling which would be a success story for a 2nd round pick.
 

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They really aren’t that close as shooters entering the draft.

I had said “when they entered the league”.......Green improved each of his last two years, which always displaying excellent mechanics, to 41.8% as a senior. Thybulle regressed each of his last two years to 30.5% as a senior.

I actually do like the Sefalosha comp as Thybulle’s ceiling which would be a success story for a 2nd round pick.
I'm not disagreeing with you; but the quality of shots Green was getting playing for a loaded UNC team were probably much better than the quality of shots Thybulle was getting as one of the primary creators for a pretty average Washington team. Green was considered the fourth best prospect on that team (behind Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington and Tyler Hansbrough) and probably got a lot of open looks from three his senior year compared to Thybulle. Thybulle did shoot 85 percent from the line his senior season.
 

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They really aren’t that close as shooters entering the draft.

I had said “when they entered the league”.......Green improved each of his last two years, which always displaying excellent mechanics, to 41.8% as a senior. Thybulle regressed each of his last two years to 30.5% as a senior.
Most likely mere variance rather than predictive regression. Unless there’s a compelling reason not to, I’ll take the bigger sample size. Cuts the other way too, Thybulle shot over 85% from the line this year, but I’ll use his 78% college career for projecting forward.

Green did always have great mechanics though, and I disagree with Kliq that Thybulle’s numbers might be hurt as a primary creator- he wasn’t really, he was pretty much a spot up guy. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Green had more ball handling responsibility, even on those stacked UNC teams.
 
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I watched less than 25 minutes of NCAA Men's Basketball this past season, but I thought Zion was the consensus number 1 pick. Is it just part of a misinformation campaign, gross negligence, or are teams concerned with ZW's unique phenotype?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253445/Suns-Reportedly-Prefer-To-Draft-Ja-Morant-Over-Zion-Williamson


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After further research (I read two tweets) it seems this "story" was taken totally out of context.


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Not you guys, too? That’s not actually what I wrote at all. Maybe read the whole context behind what I wrote, then re-write this. Because this ain’t it, chief.


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I’d just like to point out how dumb this is. Do aggregators think I dumped a “THE SUNS WILL TAKE MORANT OVER ZION” thing ~7,000 words into a story? That’s a lead, not something buried in an offseason breakdown. Any critical thinking/reading comprehension makes you recognize this.


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I watched less than 25 minutes of NCAA Men's Basketball this past season, but I thought Zion was the consensus number 1 pick. Is it just part of a misinformation campaign, gross negligence, or are teams concerned with ZW's unique phenotype?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253445/Suns-Reportedly-Prefer-To-Draft-Ja-Morant-Over-Zion-Williamson
There isn't a GM who would risk their job and reputation by passing on Zion just as there wasn't any choosing Durant over Oden with the possible exception of Ainge. There certainly could be strong trade offers on the table as Zion's marketing to a (relatively) struggling franchise could be worth as much if not more than his value on the floor during his rookie deal. I don't think it is etched in stone that Zion HAS to end up being the best player in this draft and I don't feel he will ever reach the heights that some have set for him...…..but no GM is selecting another player at 1 without receiving a ton in return.
 

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How am I just learning now that AL is married to a former Miss Universe? I wonder how tall his 5 year old son is going to be, with a 6'2" mom and a 6'10" dad
One thing’s for sure, he’ll have to wear sunglasses full-time to avoid blinding the world with the combined beauty of his eyes.
 

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26562658/missouri-jontay-porter-enter-nba-draft

Jontay reminds me of a less fit, more injury prone, not as likely to marry a 6'2" Miss Universe (@ AmeliaVega) version of Al Horford.

I know his injury history, but I would still draft him with the LAC/BOS pick.
I probably would too, but I've seen the Horford comparison made quite a bit, and it's typically made in reference to his offense, which overlooks a significant part of what makes Horford so valuable- witness Playoffs Al, who really contained Sabonis (and Turner, when required) and will hopefully be adding Giannis, Lopez, and either Embiid or Gasol/Siakam to the list of vanquished. My sense of Jontay is that he's a smart defender with length, but from what I've seen (and this is before the second ACL) he doesn't come close to covering the ground laterally that Horford covers when defending the perimeter-oriented bigs, nor does he have the strength (even compared to Gator Al) that Horford uses to battle the bruisers. Maybe I have a bad read on his lateral movement, but a weaker, slower version of Horford is a situational player who gets exploited in the playoffs and sounds closer to, I dunno, Dewayne Dedmon than Al Horford.

Updated thoughts on a couple of guys:

Thybulle- His teammate Jaylen Nowell got POY, which is a sham because he made that team run with what he did on defense at the top of the zone, which makes his blocks stats all the more impressive- great close out speed on jump shots. Just sick anticipation. Maybe a better passer than I gave him credit for.

Brandon Clarke- see above in regards to Rui getting POY. Voters dig PPG I guess. But Clarke has a good bit of offensive upside too, in a Harrell/Siakam non-stop energy guy, but aesthetically, he reminds me more in some ways of Shawn Marion or Kirilenko on O. Good Passer and elite finisher with a soft touch near the hoop. Not the on-ball defender that Hunter is, and won’t be as effective switching on to guards as he will, and probably lacks the length/strength to defend the more traditional bigs, but like Thybulle, he has elite instincts and reactions. Should contribute immediately and I would not be surprised if he's a top three player from this draft.

Rui- the size and quickness combination is great and he can shoot, but generally he just has a low BBIQ, lacks focus, and makes slow reads even when engaged, on both ends, in a way that reminded me of Kelly Oubre . Found myself saying "what the fuck are you doing?" a lot when watching him. Clarke's energy/instincts gave cover to a lot of his mistakes

Dort- I retract my Dort as the C's second rounder prediction. Dude is a beast but makes awful decisions with the ball.

Bennie Boatwright- Poor man's Cam Johnson as a stretch four. Worse (but still good) shooter, and a better bet to be able to defend. Dunno if he gets drafted.

Isaiah Joe- HRB's reference to gambling on Dejounte Murray in part because his frame seemed like a good bet to fill out made me go watch some more of this skinny kid, and I'm a fan. He should probably return to Arkansas if he wants to maximize his second contract, but if he declares, he's one of the best shooting prospects in the draft, with decent upside at the two if/when he fills out.

Paul Eboua- I don't really know much about the internationals this year, and this kid was a reserve on second division Italian league, but he just turned 20 and his combination explosiveness+coordination+strength+length, with seemingly touch immediately stands out to me. He's raw as hell and not many mocks I've seen even have him getting drafted, but he looks pretty interesting to me as a draft-and-stash with all the raw materials of a modern wing. This is all based off of watching 5 minutes of highlights after I saw that he declared so ymmv.
 

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Mike Schmitz is a really good NBA draft follow and he posted this clip on Goga Bitadze. You definitely get a Marc Gasol vibe from him; he'd be an interesting draft-and-stash candidate with the Sacramento pick if they don't move it for an AD (or whoever) package.

 

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I just ran the Tankathon Draft Simulator and the first run had Anthony Davis landing in Dallas, Jarret Culver ending in Memphis, and the Hawks getting fucked in the ass as New York, Cleveland, and Phoenix failed to snag a top four pick. And that would so consistent with the Hawks' franchise fortunes that it's probably how the lottery turns out.
 
I just ran the Tankathon Draft Simulator and the first run had Anthony Davis landing in Dallas, Jarret Culver ending in Memphis, and the Hawks getting fucked in the ass as New York, Cleveland, and Phoenix failed to snag a top four pick. And that would so consistent with the Hawks' franchise fortunes that it's probably how the lottery turns out.
Thanks for brightening my day there, sunshine!
 

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I just realized that if we jump up with the Sac pick the Memphis pick will also convey. That kinda sucks.
 

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Is there much of a market for trading picks for future picks? Not great draft and all, for teams that don't have a pick this year, I would think they might be interested in trading a future pick (with protections of course) for one of the Celtics picks.
 

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Is there much of a market for trading picks for future picks? Not great draft and all, for teams that don't have a pick this year, I would think they might be interested in trading a future pick (with protections of course) for one of the Celtics picks.
Really hard to get value on those (relative to the NFL), just because there the gap between even 5 draft slots is so massive in terms of expected outcomes, and no one will trade anything unprotected anymore. The Celtics would have loved to do this in 2016, but had to settle for draft+stashing Yabu and Zizic.

If you want to turn a current draft pick into future assets and you like your coaching/player development, you're better off drafting the best guy you can, developing him, and then rolling him into a star or future picks--if he has a lot of upside, that's when you might be able to get unprotected stuff.

The Celtics had executed that to a degree with Jaylen: he likely would have been enough last summer to get a Kawhi deal done. The problem is that young guys with high upside are so valuable that teams hate eventually dealing them when things work out perfectly like that.
 

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Jonathan Givony‏ @DraftExpress 21m21 minutes ago
Auburn's Chuma Okeke has elected to sign with an agent and keep his name in the NBA Draft, a source told ESPN. He will not be participating in the NBA Combine, as previously reported. It appears that Okeke feels comfortable with where he's positioned in this draft.
100% speculation/logical guess.

Said agent locates NBA GM who loves Okeke’s value coming off injury where they are drafting (early 2nd?), confirms a promise with contract parameters in place, goes to Okeke and tells him he can get him a guaranteed deal for xyz, deal is consummated.
 

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Jonathan Givony‏ @DraftExpress 21m21 minutes ago
Auburn's Chuma Okeke has elected to sign with an agent and keep his name in the NBA Draft, a source told ESPN. He will not be participating in the NBA Combine, as previously reported. It appears that Okeke feels comfortable with where he's positioned in this draft.
Didn't he just tear an ACL? How exactly would he have participated in the NBA Combine?
 

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Didn't he just tear an ACL? How exactly would he have participated in the NBA Combine?
Measurements and the intense interviews that teams deliver that week. If he does have a promise the GM making the promise wouldn’t want him impressing another team during any portion of this process.
 

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From: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26092152/nba-draft-lottery-deep-dive-rankings-odds-intel

Grizzlies-Celtics

The Grizzlies owe their pick to the Celtics if it falls outside the top eight. If not conveyed, the pick falls to top-six protected in 2020 and then becomes unprotected in 2021.

  • Chances Memphis keeps its pick: 55.6 percent

  • Chances Boston gets a top-10 pick from Memphis this year: 43.2 percent
Kings-Celtics-76ers

The Kings owe their pick to the Celtics unprotected, but the 76ers will get the selection if this becomes the No. 1 pick. In that scenario, Boston would get Philadelphia's pick.

  • Chances Philadelphia gets the No. 1 pick from Sacramento: 1.0 percent

  • Chances Boston gets a top-four pick from Sacramento: 3.8 percent


So...do we want the Memphis pick to come to Boston this year, or is it preferable to wait til 2020 or even 2021?