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If it is just what the consensus was, there is no way Durant can be above Oden considering everyone but maybe Ainge would have gone Oden over Durant. Same goes with Luka
I'm fine with Luka there. Oden was probably first on 29 teams' draft boards, but the same can't be said of Ayton vs. Doncic. We know Phoenix took Ayton first, but I don't think that reflects any consensus. Most draft boards I remember had Doncic first (although there's a bit of a selection bias with which boards I'm reading).
 

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Knicks were offered the two Hawks top 10 picks for the #3 pick and turned it down. Knicks also bringing in Darius Garland for a late workout and may pick him at 3 instead of RJ Barrett. Celtics are one of a few teams trying to get to #4 to pick Garland.
 

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Knicks were offered the two Hawks top 10 picks for the #3 pick and turned it down. Knicks also bringing in Darius Garland for a late workout and may pick him at 3 instead of RJ Barrett. Celtics are one of a few teams trying to get to #4 to pick Garland.
Who’s this from?

There aren’t a lot of guys who can score with the ball in this draft, but Garland’s one of them and it fills a big need for the Celtics, I just wish I felt better about the rest of his game. His defensive concerns would be mitigated playing with Smart or Brown, but people who’ve seen him a lot question his decision-making with the ball. But guys who can pull up from 27 feet, and the gravity they create, are in high demand now, so maybe you just take a gamble on his floor general learning curve.
 

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Who’s this from?

There aren’t a lot of guys who can score with the ball in this draft, but Garland’s one of them and it fills a big need for the Celtics, I just wish I felt better about the rest of his game. His defensive concerns would be mitigated playing with Smart or Brown, but people who’ve seen him a lot question his decision-making with the ball. But guys who can pull up from 27 feet, and the gravity they create, are in high demand now, so maybe you just take a gamble on his floor general learning curve.
Saw the Knicks rumor on the SportsCenter ticker and Celtics interest in Garland is from Jonathan Givony.

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1141017557916377088
 

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I like Garland and think he’s a nice prospect but seems like trading up to #4 would be far too costly of a move when we can just sign Rozier (assuming he would be open to it). We are set at the wings for the next 5-10 years. Hopefully Horford will be back for 3 more years but who knows. At some point, we’ll need an Average Al replacement and the Memphis pick might align perfectly for that.
 

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I like Garland and think he’s a nice prospect but seems like trading up to #4 would be far too costly of a move when we can just sign Rozier (assuming he would be open to it). We are set at the wings for the next 5-10 years. Hopefully Horford will be back for 3 more years but who knows. At some point, we’ll need an Average Al replacement and the Memphis pick might align perfectly for that.
What about trading up to 9 or 10 from 14 to get UNC's Coby White?
 

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Well there is a decent contigent that thinks "just signing Rozier" is a bad move for he is not that good
That’s fair but he’s proven himself to be a starting calibre PG but he may not want to be back and our rumored interest in Garland could be an indication that the team is looking at all PG options. Ainge could go in a million different directions so will be interesting to see what we ultimately end up with.
 

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I don't know about this. He has a sample of 30 games started over 2 years. I have seen enough of him in no starter minutes to question how much we should weigh those 1000 minutes played as a starter
Yeah - Rozier would be in strong contention to be the worst starting PG in the league. Really can't support bringing him back, basically at any price.
 

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Thanks. Taking the 4th player in a 3 player draft with the 3rd pick would be extremely on brand for the Knicks. Pelicans would be pretty happy about that.
Jimmy Dolan was asked about it and he responded, “We might be trading for Chris Paul and Barrett is way too much to give up for him.”
 

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I don't know about this. He has a sample of 30 games started over 2 years. I have seen enough of him in no starter minutes to question how much we should weigh those 1000 minutes played as a starter
I would say he’s a bottom tier starter and would take him at that salary range. We’ll see what the market bears out.
 

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What would be the cost for #2 pick for the Celtics to draft Ja Morant?

Memphis gets their pick back
#14
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TL or Semi

Maybe Memphis can't find a taker for Conley's contract and wants the half dollar and 3 quarters for the dollar.
I would trade Jaylen Brown, Rozier, 14, 20 and possibly 22 to move up to 2. PG of the future to go with Tatum and Hayward and build from there.
 

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Really? Wow.
I like Morant, but I’m not seeing a top ten player there. And to get him they’d need to jumpstart Memphis’ rebuild thus depreciating the value of a future draft pick. I just don’t think it’s worth converting the future Memphis pick into a mid first rounder just to say that they have a future goodish PG.
 

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Jaylen Brown, three first-round picks, and your likely starting point guard for a lottery ticket is how I view it. Jaylen was #3 overall, and has developed nicely. Why cash him in, with a bunch of other assets, for a #2 with no such track record?
For starters, I'm way lower on Brown than most people here seem to be. He's on the low side of what you should get from a #3 pick, IMHO.

If I could move him in a deal for a guard who can create for himself, I'd do it. If I could move him with some middling picks for a potential franchise PG, I don't even think about it.
 

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PS, and this is a conversation worth having now, I am not a believer that you should move forward with Brown/Tatum/Hayward as your three core players, because I don't think you can play them together full-time. The lineups with all of those guys together this year underperformed. Maybe it works differently with a different rim-protector behind them, or a different PG. But I'm not betting on it.

They should try and turn Brown into a guard who can get offense off the dribble.
 

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For starters, I'm way lower on Brown than most people here seem to be. He's on the low side of what you should get from a #3 pick, IMHO.

If I could move him in a deal for a guard who can create for himself, I'd do it. If I could move him with some middling picks for a potential franchise PG, I don't even think about it.
Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic, Jimmy Butler... many "middling picks" become unexpected franchise pillars. I'll take my chances with three bites at the apple. Obviously, there's no consensus, that's what makes it fun. I do trust Ainge to make some interesting choices.
 

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For starters, I'm way lower on Brown than most people here seem to be. He's on the low side of what you should get from a #3 pick, IMHO.

If I could move him in a deal for a guard who can create for himself, I'd do it. If I could move him with some middling picks for a potential franchise PG, I don't even think about it.
Really tough to fault the C’s on that 3rd pick in a one player draft. I mean what realistic option at #3 in that draft has been considerably better than Brown?
 

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PS, and this is a conversation worth having now, I am not a believer that you should move forward with Brown/Tatum/Hayward as your three core players, because I don't think you can play them together full-time. The lineups with all of those guys together this year underperformed. Maybe it works differently with a different rim-protector behind them, or a different PG. But I'm not betting on it.
I’ve been one of the Brown skeptics here, but he’s still a useful player that’s getting better. If Morant were a franchise player I’d think differently. But I’m just not seeing it.

They should try and turn Brown into a guard who can get offense off the dribble.
I’m all for finding guards with complete games.
 

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With our aspirations for next season now a fair bit lower, I wonder if they entertain the idea of grabbing Bol Bol.
 

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Bol Bol supposedly looked good (healthy) at his workout last week. I really am fine with Boston taking him. I don't see the Thon Maker comps, outside of their physical profiles. Bol is much more advanced skill-wise than Maker. He handles the ball well, can make contested shots, has some post moves, etc. Bol's effort on the defensive end is a bit of a red flag, and his narrow shoulders make me question how much he'll fill out, but in terms of his game? I think he's intriguing. There's some Myles Turner to his game. He doesn't strike me as an Ainge pick, but I wouldn't be upset with the pick, either.
 

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Some final thoughts on the 2019 pool from the perspective of 14/20/22. Post Kyrexit and Horgone they have a couple of holes to address. Their need for apex scorers lends itself to the Kevin Porter Jr. rumors. He’s immensely talented, but needs to refine his shooting mechanics (a weird little hitch in the motion).

He would benefit from a team whose culture is driven by Smart, Baynes, and Hayward, and by having to earn every moment of playing time. But if you win that bet you’ve picked up a poor man’s James Harden. If he ends up on a young team throwing him minutes bet on him washing out. It takes real effort to get tossed off a USC athletic team.

Other guys:

Nickeil Alexander-Walker. He’s got warts, a weird hitch in his shooting motion which I think prevents him from being elite (he basically pauses at the top of the motion), he’s more smooth than explosive, and more of a combo guard than a point one.

PJ Washington. A Marcus Morris replacement. Entering the NBA at the exact right moment. Can defend out on the perimeter and shoot from distance. A sure thing as a depth F off the bench.

Nick Claxton. A potential long-term Horford replacement. Rock solid ball handling skills for a big man and shows some potential as a stretch 5. Defensively he has very quick hands and feet. His lateral quickness allows him to stay in front of guards, so he’s ideal for modern switchy defense. On the minus side his shooting release is slower than an 80 year old’s bowel movements and his body is less than ideal. He’s 6’11” 215 at the moment, but I’m not sure that body can carry more than another 30lbs or so.

There are also some gambles available (like KPJ), that could pay dividends down the line.

Nassir Little, so long that he probably gives Danny a hard-on. Really busts ass on defense. A major work in progress on the other end. But he and Smart could form their own terrorist cell on the defensive end of the floor.

KZ Okpala. There’s something missing upstairs with Okpala, with his length and athleticism he should have killed the competition at the college level. But he didn’t. He needs work everywhere, ballhandling, shooting mechanics, all of his defense. But, on the other hand, you can’t teach guys to be that explosive at 6’10” with a 7’2” wingspan and an 8’11” standing reach. He’s as raw as steak tartare, but if you could get him matched up with a skills trainer and teach him to harness those physical gifts, you’d have a heckuva player.

Rui Hachimura. See above. You can’t teach wingspan and standing reach. On the other hand he’s more smooth than explosive (if he had Brandon Clarke’s explosiveness he’d be the 4th pick) and his jumper needs refinement. He has a slowish release that he gets away with because of the 7’2” wingspan, it’ll be tougher in the NBA though. Pretty good drive & kick game for a F. Defense is a major work in progress.
 
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I think some people are forgetting how much of a crapshoot players coming out of the draft still are. Plenty of top 3 drafted players turn into absolute busts. We know Jaylen Brown is not a bust. He may never be an All-Star, or he may, but it's pretty clear he's a starting caliber talent in the NBA. That is far more valuable than some lottery pick, in my opinion.

Personally, at this point I hope they keep all 3 picks and get lucky with one of them.
 

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Bol Bol supposedly looked good (healthy) at his workout last week. I really am fine with Boston taking him. I don't see the Thon Maker comps, outside of their physical profiles. Bol is much more advanced skill-wise than Maker. He handles the ball well, can make contested shots, has some post moves, etc. Bol's effort on the defensive end is a bit of a red flag, and his narrow shoulders make me question how much he'll fill out, but in terms of his game? I think he's intriguing. There's some Myles Turner to his game. He doesn't strike me as an Ainge pick, but I wouldn't be upset with the pick, either.
There's huge red flags there, and I agree he isn't really an Ainge-type pick but I also hope he's on their board especially if he is avaiable at 20 (though I'd be ok at 14 personally).

A part of me wants Bol Bol, KPJ, or the Georgian center just so I have some upside gamble to wish on next year....
 

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Nighthob, I wouldn't make too much of Porter getting bounced by USC. It's a red flag, but no more than it would be anywhere else. In fact, Andy Enfield strikes me as a below average coach at handling difficult situations with players. It's entirely possible that whatever happened was misplayed by Enfield and blown out of proportion, or that the real issue maybe had to do with NCAA concerns and they pulled him to avoid making their infractions case worse.

NBA teams should proceed with caution with Porter, but if they are okay with what they see/hear in their workouts and evaluations, he's talented enough to take a shot on.
 

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Some final thoughts on the 2019 pool from the perspective of 14/20/22. Post Kyrexit and Horgone they have a couple of holes to address. Their need for apex scorers lends itself to the Kevin Porter Jr. rumors. He’s immensely talented, but needs to refine his shooting mechanics (a weird little hitch in the motion).

He would benefit from a team whose culture is driven by Smart, Baynes, and Hayward, and by having to earn every moment of playing time. But if you win that bet you’ve picked up a poor man’s James Harden. If he ends up on a young team throwing him minutes bet on him washing out. It takes real effort to get tossed off a USC athletic team.

Other guys:

Nickeil Alexander-Walker. He’s got warts, a weird hitch in his shooting motion which I think prevents him from being elite (he basically pauses at the top of the motion), he’s more smooth than explosive, and more of a combo guard than a point one.

PJ Washington. A Marcus Morris replacement. Entering the NBA at the exact right moment. Can defend out on the perimeter and shoot from distance. A sure thing as a depth F off the bench.

Nick Claxton. A potential long-term Horford replacement. Rock solid ball handling skills for a big man and shows some potential as a stretch 5. Defensively he has very quick hands and feet. His lateral quickness allows him to stay in front of guards, so he’s ideal for modern switchy defense. On the minus side his shooting release is slower than an 80 year old’s bowel movements and his body is less than ideal. He’s 6’11” 215 at the moment, but I’m not sure that body can carry more than another 30lbs or so.

There are also some gambles available (like KPJ), that could pay dividends down the line.

Nassir Little, so long that he probably gives Danny a hard-on. Really busts ass on defense. A major work in progress on the other end. But he and Smart could form their own terrorist cell on the defensive end of the floor.

KZ Okpala. There’s something missing upstairs with Okpala, with his length and athleticism he should have killed the competition at the college level. But he didn’t. He needs work everywhere, ballhandling, shooting mechanics, all of his defense. But, on the other hand, you can’t teach guys to be that explosive at 6’10” with a 7’2” wingspan and an 8’11” standing reach. He’s as raw as steak tartare, but if you could get him matched up with a skills trainer and teach him to harness those physical gifts, you’d have a heckuva player.

Rui Hachimura. See above. You can’t teach wingspan and standing reach. On the other hand he’s more smooth than explosive (if he had Brandon Clarke’s explosiveness he’d be the 4th pick) and his jumper needs refinement. He has a slowish release that he gets away with because of the 7’2” wingspan, it’ll be tougher in the NBA though. Pretty good drive & kick game for a F. Defense is a major work in progress.
PJ Washington will not be selected by Boston. It was reported by Adam Himmelsbach that he cancelled a workout at the last minute because of a "foot injury" that ended up being a blister. I'm not sure if it was just something he felt in his foot he hurt during the season or if it was just an excuse to get out of the workout. It didn't make him cancel any of his other workouts. Signals to me that he doesn't want to play for the Celtics.
 

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14. Brandon Clarke
20. Goga Bitadzke (stash candidate)
22. Carsen Edwards

I've read as much as possible on KPJr and still don't get the fascination. He did nothing last year, avg 9.5 ppg at USC and never put up a 20pt game, so how is this guy considered an elite scorer? He wasn't a highly rated HS prospect (didn't play in McDonalds or Jordan Brand games). He's young/athletic but the only thing he has in common with James Harden is his build/size and lefthandedness. I've easily got 25 guys in this draft ahead of him, pass. If things workout I guess I could see a poor mans' Dion Waiters (who was a stud at Cuse)
 
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Personally, at this point I hope they keep all 3 picks and get lucky with one of them.
Ainge had given signals of wanting to offload one or more of the Celtics' first-round picks for future assets, mostly because a championship contender built around Davis-Irving-Horford can't absorb too much youth or allocate developmental minutes to rookies.

Now things are different: Irving and Horford are leaving and Davis never came. The Celtics are building around 21- and 22-year-olds, and will have lots of minutes to fill, as well as perforce a higher tolerance for developmental mistakes. The argument for using all three picks for the 2019-2020 roster is much stronger now than it was even last week.
 

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14. Brandon Clarke
20. Goga Bitadzke (stash candidate)
22. Carsen Edwards
That would be a pretty terrible draft unless they had a deal lined up for Clarke. His size and lack of a distance game would really limit his usefulness to Boston in a post-Horford world. Aside from that if you’re in rebuilding mode drafting guys to fill out the end of a rotation is a waste.

I've read as much as possible on KPJr and still don't get the fascination. He did nothing last year, avg 9.5 ppg at USC and never put up a 20pt game, so how is this guy considered an elite scorer? He wasn't a highly rated HS prospect (didn't play in McDonalds or Jordan Brand games).
Regardless of his high school all star game history (or lack thereof) he flashed a pretty good skill package. It’s a gamble, of course, but at this point Boston needs to take a big gamble.
 

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There's huge red flags there, and I agree he isn't really an Ainge-type pick but I also hope he's on their board especially if he is avaiable at 20 (though I'd be ok at 14 personally).

A part of me wants Bol Bol, KPJ, or the Georgian center just so I have some upside gamble to wish on next year....
Yeah I just need something new and shiny to get excited about. Off season has just been too depressing otherwise. Clark, Goga/Bol, & Porter would do it for me.
 

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Nassir Little, so long that he probably gives Danny a hard-on. Really busts ass on defense. A major work in progress on the other end. But he and Smart could form their own terrorist cell on the defensive end of the floor.
I like Little but in about 90% of the mocks I've seen he's gone before we pick. However, if we could get to #10...
 

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Nighthob, I wouldn't make too much of Porter getting bounced by USC. It's a red flag, but no more than it would be anywhere else. In fact, Andy Enfield strikes me as a below average coach at handling difficult situations with players. It's entirely possible that whatever happened was misplayed by Enfield and blown out of proportion, or that the real issue maybe had to do with NCAA concerns and they pulled him to avoid making their infractions case worse.

NBA teams should proceed with caution with Porter, but if they are okay with what they see/hear in their workouts and evaluations, he's talented enough to take a shot on.
Isn't the point that a star athlete being suspended by any D1 school - not specifically USC - is huge concern because it's really, really hard to do anywhere? These guys are afforded all sorts of protection, forgiveness, and cover ups by athletic departments, campus police, etc.
 

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If there's some prospect in the 5-10 range that the C's love, you have to think Danny tries to get there with multiple picks.

Does 14 and 20 get you to 10 in this draft?
 

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Isn't the point that a star athlete being suspended by any D1 school is huge concern because it's really, really hard to do anywhere? These guys are afforded all sorts of protection, forgiveness, and cover ups by athletic departments, campus police, etc.
It's a concern, and needs to be carefully explored during the draft evaluation process.

But let's not discount how impetuous and stupid college basketball coaches can be, either.

And don't sleep on the NCAA rules angle, either. USC would have every reason to take that stuff seriously, and to lie about it to the media. And of course issues with that stuff have almost zero meaning to an NBA front office.
 

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I like Little but in about 90% of the mocks I've seen he's gone before we pick. However, if we could get to #10...
I’ve seen him from 10-18, so I put him on my list. No way I’d trade up for a 6’6” guy that raw. If he’s there, fine, if not that means that someone else has slipped.