2019 Cowboys: And Now for Something Completely Different...
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Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett: Getting Cowboys' fans ready for baseball season early since 2009.
Isn't that a reflection of management? It may very well be that there are malcontents on the roster (hello Trysten Hill) but this team didn't go from fighting tooth and nail in every game to becoming roadkill without some external pressure involved.
And I don't mean Jason Garrett either. My finger is pointed squarely at Jerry Jones.
If I were a Cowboys fan, I'd be more worried that Jerry wants to hear from players before making the decision
That should be completely unnecessary to anyone paying attention. Their message was heard loud and clear.
He shouldn't. Which is why the delay is concerning. I get that you don't want to be the first to arrive at the dance but you certainly don't want to be the last. Other teams are already working on whittling down the limited pool of NFL head coaching candidates, some of which are far more attractive landing spots than Dallas. If replacing Jason Garrett is going to be done right (far from a certainty with this organization), any delay is going to make that more difficult. He was left a lame duck coach for a reason so I don't understand why the bandage hasn't already been ripped off.
I'm not ready to hit the panic button just yet but if he isn't let go - or whatever euphemism is preferred - by the end of the day, I'll be left with only one logical conclusion: he's coming back.
His contract expires on Wednesday right? Why wouldn't he just wait till Wed and say he's not our coach any longer?
His contract expires Jan 14.
He’s either sticking as HC or taking some front office role. I can’t figure out any other reason to wait on this.
He’s either sticking as HC or taking some front office role. I can’t figure out any other reason to wait on this.
Yeah I get the feeling he wants to keep Garrett. Perhaps the discussion is about coordinator or other changes? Very odd .
If I were a cowboy fan and Jerry kept Garrett, I’d be out until Jerry croaks. It’s inexcusable to let JG squander so many prime years of very good players.
I don't think it's trolling - I think Garrett's staying. They're meeting again tomorrow - I don't think you give a guy you're going to let walk two opportunities to speak to the owner, even in a franchise as dysfunctional as the Cowboys.
I can't wait to find out what scapegoat they come up with for finishing 8-8 with a +113 point differential, though.
I can't wait to find out what scapegoat they come up with for finishing 8-8 with a +113 point differential, though.
Isn't the whole reason we quote point differentials that it's more strongly suggestive of the team's actual strength than mere W-L record, which has a ton of noise given that it's just 16 data points?
Dallas was 6th in DVOA (8th in weighted); you have to go down to the #14 team, TB, before you find the next team with a record as bad or worse than Dallas'. Between DVOA and W-L record, which is likelier signal and which is likelier noise?
Dallas was 6th in DVOA (8th in weighted); you have to go down to the #14 team, TB, before you find the next team with a record as bad or worse than Dallas'. Between DVOA and W-L record, which is likelier signal and which is likelier noise?
In this coaching discussion, aren't we effectively treating both point differential and DVOA here as equivalent to Pyth W-L record for a baseball team, in a case where we believe that poor management/coaching has depressed the team's actual W-L record? This time, both DVOA and point differential imply that the Cowboys should have been much better than a 8-8 team, but the theory is that Garrett is a significant part of the reason why they severely underperformed.
I've always been convinced that Jerry Jones looks at Jason Garrett and literally sees a younger version of himself, which is why it's so hard for Jerry to pull the trigger on firing him.
I would agree that the point differential and metrics like DVOA and EPA suggest that the Cowboys were a lot better than their 8-8 record and that it was likely majority luck....and not Garrett. HOWEVER....at least some of it was Garrett and they narrowly missed out on the division. So there's a good case to be made that he cost them the division. The way they came out in that Eagles game two weeks ago was basically unforgivable. That alone was probably a fireable offense.
It’s almost like Jerrah is like DJT in that he sees or reads things, doesn’t want people to think anyone but himself can make decisions, and then purposefully goes the other direction just to prove to people he is in charge - good decisions be damned - it’s hos team and he is the boss.
It would be absolutely absurd to bring Garrett back, yet again.
It would be absolutely absurd to bring Garrett back, yet again.
I think he has kompromat. He looks like the kinda dude who would sit in a corner and surreptitiously take pictures of Jones doing dirty things with hookers and drugs.
A buddy of mine has long theorized that Garrett has proof regarding some kind of Me Too incident involving Jerruh. I'm starting to think he might be onto something.
This Garrett thing is weird. He's either coming back as head coach or moving into some type of GM role I have to think. I hope he's coach so I can watch my FB feed burn.
What coaching candidate would want Garrett around at all? Would just be weird. Nobody wants the ex around even if they’re friendly.
Why fire a coach who hasn't won anything in ten years when you're keeping the GM who hasn't won anything in 20 years?
The last two decades have been nothing but Jerry trying to prove that he was responsible for those Super Bowl rings, not Jimmy. It hasn't gone well.
The last two decades have been nothing but Jerry trying to prove that he was responsible for those Super Bowl rings, not Jimmy. It hasn't gone well.
So Jerry just drags things out until all other head coach jobs are filled, then he fires Garrett? You might have something there.
Maybe, but it’s been reported his contract expires Jan 14 so not super likely that would work if anyone wants him....no doubt his agent is talking to teams now
If they cared about him, they’d let him go ASAP so that he can try for some of these other opportunities.
Lifelong Cowboys fan. JG needs to go. I don't hold out much hope....I think he will be gone, and another JG is put in his place. I will be shocked to see a quality coach come in and run things as he sees fit. If it DOES happen, it will wind up with Jones firing him for getting the accolades. It's just brutal.....
Garrett definitely has pics.
In fact, didn’t some pics of Jerry come out a couple years ago when he was sabre rattling against the NFL? Drugs and young (legal aged) women or something?
From the ESPN article on this...
Garrett - meh
Turner - failure as HC, was a decent OC for a while
Singletary - LOL can you imagine someone considering him in retrospect?
Caldwell - :|
Rivera - pretty decent, but will get screwed by Snyder
Bowles - failure as HC, decent coordinator
Haley - probably will never get a shot at this point
Sparano - ugh
So, sadly, the only one they really missed out on was Rivera. Garrett is arguably the 2nd best on this list. Oof!
Norv wasn’t too bad. Pats had a great comeback against him otherwise that Chargers team might have won it (2006/2007 season?)
edit: I got the years wrong, that was as Marty’s team. Norv got them to AFC championship (Rivers ACL year)
Lol at Eric Mangini never ever getting another sniff. I hope he’s crying himself to sleep watching his little Sopranos cameo again. Snitch.
Cleveland should have never fired him. I thought Eric the Rat was a decent coach
Mangini is Sollozo. Some trumped up pimp who came for the king, missed, and is now dead.
Haley did get a shot - he was 19-26 as KC HC from 2009-2011.
This is actually not that bad a list to be honest. Most head coach hires have losing records. About half never make a playoff appearance. Looking at this list, Garrett, Turner, Caldwell, and Rivera all have better-than-average track records. Haley and Sparano's records aren't great but they did make the playoffs. Bowles' Jets won 10 games in his first year but missed the playoffs. No great coaches here, but Singletary is the only one I think is an out-and-out failure, maybe Haley. It's also a pretty conventional list of all guys who had been HCs or did ultimately get hired somewhere.