2019 Chargers: Home Alone
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Aren't the LA Rams colors the exact same blue and white? Or are they not reverting to their old colors? So confusing
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If anyone was wondering about the LA Rams TV ratings this season, they were bad. They were even slightly worse then the previous year when they had no team in town. Now they're cutting that pie in half. LINKS: http://www.101sports.com/2017/01/06/2016-rams-tv-ratings-higher-st-louis-los-angeles-lol/ and http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/06/los-angeles-rams-nfl-tv-ratings-fox-cbs-st-louis-comparison/
That's not all that bad actually.
If you go beyond the city population and look at the larger market size, and even more importantly the TV market size...
The SD DMA (designated market area) is 28th in the US with 1.06 million TV homes. Just ahead of SD is Raleigh-Durham, Portland OR, Baltimore and Indianapolis (24 to 27 respectively). Just behind SD is Nashville, Hartford/New Haven, San Antonio and Columbus OH.
Those nine markets have 1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 0, 1 and 1 big four pro teams respectively.
Brown wouldn't commit to letting San Diego State pay for a portion of the stadium they were going to play in:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/11/nfl-san-diego-chargers-relocation-los-angeles
Several writers who seem plugged in on this (Vinny Bongsignore, Cole, Joe Arrigo) have said that, more than the $175M funding, gap, it was the number of entities that needed to sign off on the "hail mary" funding plan and wouldn't commit at this late date that finally convinced Spanos to go. It would be naive to think the league and/or Spanos didn't know the Governor's actual position on allowing the CSU system to pay for a stake in the stadium before they made this decision. There is a bunch of blame to go around here, e.g I also think it is foolish for Kroenke not to pay $175M in blood money to keep the Chargers out of LA, but Govenor Moonbeem owns some of it.
You can start prepping your response for the Raiders officials move to Las Vegas thread in March, when I point out what a fool Brown's minion Libby Schaff is in Oakland and how she should just be honest about the fact that she wants the Raiders out and the A's to stay in Oakland.
On another note, the Chargers are letting their current season ticket holders have priority for seats at Stubhub:
http://www.fightforla.com
and are taking $100 deposits at fightforLA.com for people that want to get on their waiting list for both Stubhub and Kroenkeworld.
http://www.fightforla.com
Why would Brown care at all about whether the Chargers play in San Diego or LA? Does it positively effect the state to have them in SD? (Hint it doesn't), and SDSU shouldn't be paying $100M for a football stadium, certainly not to subsidize an NFL one. The Chargers moved primarily because the people of San Diego correctly realized that public funding NFL stadiums is terrible for the public and great for dudes who own the teams.
Even Brandt and MMQB NFL stooges at their finest admits that Spanos was looking for someone else to foot most of the bill (unprecedented NFL contribution plus huge state/local contributions).
Brown deserves not blame, but praise for his role in the Chargers not getting their huge handout.
EDIT: Ha, already posted above...
The new logo does look like a bad knockoff of the Dodgers.
The new logo does look like a bad knockoff of the Dodgers.
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Already backing away from the logo:
espn: But don't expect that to become the team's new primary logo or for it to be the centerpiece of a rebranding. ESPN has been told that it's just a marketing logo to commemorate the team's relocation.
espn: But don't expect that to become the team's new primary logo or for it to be the centerpiece of a rebranding. ESPN has been told that it's just a marketing logo to commemorate the team's relocation.
Ha! We really need to be reminded of this every time we whine about a 3rd round pick selection.
It is unbelievable that the second team in LA is the Chargers and not the Raiders. I have been in Orange County for 25 years and have met 1 Chargers fan. There are Raiders fans all around me. I agree with the voters of San Diego in their decision not to subsidize the dipshit NFL owners for their cathedrals, but I do have a brother and some family in the San Diego area. There are some great fans that love their Chargers. I remember visiting in the 80's and the town was crazy for Fouts' team. The team has been terrible and Qualcomm is a shithole. I can't blame them for not showing up consistently in recent years.
The NFL can't lose, even with bad moves like this.
I'm no longer 100% convinced of this. For years the league was teflon. I don't think this move is good for the league.
Edit: whereas I do think moving the Rams back to LA was good for the league
If I was a chargers fan I'd love this. They get to root for a team only a couple hours away, and they don't have to pay for a stadium.
Also, SDSU is one of the parties interested in buying the 66 acres Qualcomm stadium is on, so they can build a west campus and maybe a more modest stadium for college football.
Also, SDSU is one of the parties interested in buying the 66 acres Qualcomm stadium is on, so they can build a west campus and maybe a more modest stadium for college football.
Yeah, how will the people of San Diego manage without a football game to go to and distract them from the harsh cold winter months
Oh right, we'll just go to the beach in 78 degree weather
Too bad the Patriots are playing the Chargers in Gillette next year. I totally would have gone to Carson to see them play there.
This is my question, too -- the Rams were greeted with a yawn but okay, cool -- the Chargers are being greeted here with complete hostility. I don't care how big a market L.A. is...if the no one watches, does it matter?
This. I mean, say what you will about L.A. sports fans, but the loyalty to the Raiders is remarkable. They remain more popular than the Rams (by far) and I'd bet $1K that this move will galvanize more L.A. love for the Raiders in a "fuck this" sort of mode. The Raiders to L.A. was the killer business move to be had here -- the NFL...smh.
Actually, this is the one thing I kind of like. One, it's the only way they'll sell out games and it might just be a way to build up some excitement -- with 27K loud, screaming fans (as opposed to 40K in a stadium built for 70K) there might be a way to create a good fan experience that leads to creating a fan base.
On the flip...given that SD is their only fan base, why are they not becoming the So Cal Chargers?
I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers consistently outdraw the Rams. Market research suggests Chargers have been the 3rd most popular team in LA behind The Raiders and 49ers. Starting in a much better spot than the Rams were.
I doubt that. The Rams aren't popular, but there have been a cohort of die-hards and some semblance of any L.A. identity -- the Chargers not at all (I'd be curious to see that market research and who conducted it).
This Plaschke article puts it well: L.A. to Chargers: "We. Don't. Want. You."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-chargers-to-la-plaschke-20170111-story.html
This Plaschke article puts it well: L.A. to Chargers: "We. Don't. Want. You."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-chargers-to-la-plaschke-20170111-story.html
The Chargers will be (at best) the 6th-most popular football team in LA, behind USC, the Raiders, the Rams, the 49ers, and UCLA.
They were the only NFL team within 400 miles of Los Angeles for 21 years, and gained no following. Plus, they are still the division rival of the Raiders. The Raiders fans would take over the stadium in SD when they played, it's going to be even worse in LA.
They were the only NFL team within 400 miles of Los Angeles for 21 years, and gained no following. Plus, they are still the division rival of the Raiders. The Raiders fans would take over the stadium in SD when they played, it's going to be even worse in LA.
I can't find the one I first saw which was from 2016, but from 2011:
ESPN-Chilton from 2006-2009 had them above the Rams 2nd or 3rd most years: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/25/sports/la-sp-nfl-la-20110126
Survey USA had them on top in "which team do you want in LA" polls when it was a 3 team race (weird, since Raiders are definitely the most popular team in LA) 2015.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/stadium/sdut-chargers-rams-raiders-los-angeles-nfl-poll-2015aug07-htmlstory.html
It isn't surprising, since when I lived in LA the Chargers were on TV a lot, I didn't see a single Rams game. On the whole the Raiders are fairly popular, but in general LA as a city doesn't really give a shit about the NFL. Whichever team wins more games will be more popular, and the Chargers seem more likely to win quickly.
I just saw on TV that fans are at team headquarters in San Diego throwing their jerseys in the parking lot. One thing I couldn't help but notice. It's raining.
Burning your $100 dollar Phillip Rivers jersey because the team is moving two hours north. A bit of an overreaction by Chargers fans today. I don't think Pats fans would be burning Brady jerseys if Kraft moved them to Vermont.
Wasn't there talk from Phillip Rivers last year that he wouldn't want to play in L.A. because of some hyper-pious douchebaggery? Is that still happening?
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How would our fan experience of the past 17 years be any different if they were in Hartford?
http://www.sportsgrid.com/real-sports/nfl/report-phillip-rivers-would-retire-rather-than-play-in-los-angeles/
Yes.
Edit: maybe not/Who knows with Rivers
Philip Rivers: Hesitancy on move more love for San Diego than disdain for L.A. (ESPN)
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Yeah, that was a weird one. Both because of the "hyper-pious douchebaggery", as you put it, and also because of its absurdity -- I mean, it's a 2 hour drive up a highway, not like he'd be "forced" to move from Jesusville Alabama to Sodom&Gomorrah L.A. (god forbid).
I assume that's history.
Pretty sure the name Chargers came from the original owner, Barron Hilton, who was in the credit card biz and wanted people to become familiar with the idea of charging things on their cards (a totally new concept).
Of course, Hilton himself says he liked the Charge chant with the bugle call at USC games and that's where he got the name from. So who knows?
Just saying Pats fans would have been much more likely to be burning shirts if not for TB12 and Belichick and the teams sustained level of success.
That's not a great comparison. How many people in the Boston area hate Vermont?
Dodgers fans outnumber Padres fans at Petco every time they play there. Qualcomm turned silver and black for every Raiders-Chargers game. Neither the Padres or Chargers have won a championship, while LA has had the Lakers/Dodgers/Kings/Raiders all win, plus the Angels and Ducks if you want to include Orange County. They've already had one team (Clippers) decide they would rather be the #2 team in their sport in LA rather than the only one in SD, now it's happening again. If you are a die-hard fan of San Diego sports teams (there must be some out there), you probably have a pretty deep dislike of LA as a sports city at this point.
I mean, hating Los Angeles is pretty much the pastime of every Californian not from Los Angeles. It's what San Diegans and San Franciscans bond over.
The comparison isn't the Pats moving to Vermont, it's the Pats moving to New York.
The comparison isn't the Pats moving to Vermont, it's the Pats moving to New York.
I think the two of you are having a parallel conversation, in the sense that neither of you disagrees with what happened, but you are looking at it from the perspective of an outsider and he's looking at it from the perspective of a Raiders fan who (because of the ripple effect) stands to get screwed.
Doesn't change the fact that Brown and everyone associated with saying no to the Chargers should be praised, not scorned. They did the right thing.
Edit: Let me also add that the right business move here would have been to relocate the Raiders to LA, for all of the reasons noted above. But the history of Al Davis giving the middle finger to the NFL and doing whatever he wanted with respect to his franchise location came back to bite his son in the ass. Because there was no way the NFL was going to allow the Raiders to move back to the town that they had abandoned after suing for the right to go there in the first place.
The NFL has a long, dysfunctional institutional memory, and the Raiders were never going to be approved for a second move to LA without ownership changing hands. Having said that, there is a profound sense of shadenfreude watching the owners demonstrate both recognition of the slow-motion disaster unfolding before them and their inability to stop it.
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FWIW--I think this was their original logo (complete with what is likely a horse but looks as much like an angry bird):
It's been raining almost non stop for 3 days and this is after the month of December when we also had an inordinate amount of rain. Mammoth Mtn in northern CA has received over 15 feet of snow THIS month. CA is close to being out of our drought.
Local radio station today is encouraging fans to bring their unwanted gear to them and they will give to the homeless. Lots of people going way overboard about this but who am I to say how they should react. I'm a Steelers fan.