2019 Broncos: Changes Ahoy

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NFC: Some disagreements on order but I think I have to agree on top 7

I disagree about Tampa. They have some players, good coaches and Winston is serviceable.

Need to re evaluate after FA and draft
 

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I feel like Cincinnati is way low. Only thing that jumps out to me. If they have injury luck they should be in the playoff race.
 

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NFC: Some disagreements on order but I think I have to agree on top 7

I disagree about Tampa. They have some players, good coaches and Winston is serviceable.

Need to re evaluate after FA and draft
Winston is a TO machine Eavns is great but no RB as of now and D-Jackson will be most likey gone no CB Mccoy will be most likey Be cut unlees they can go 5-1 6-0 in the NFC south they are a 7 win team at best in 2019

i will update after FA and the draft
 

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I feel like Cincinnati is way low. Only thing that jumps out to me. If they have injury luck they should be in the playoff race.
Andy D is not a fit for taylor system A J green might miss the first 4-6 weeks of the season had a bad foot then re-inj it aga denver in late nov their Def has a lot of 1st 2nd round guys that has not played up to their draft spot they do not have a 2 WR Their OL is ave

their front office does not spend in FA
 

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and elway wants to keep case as a backup for 19 but at 7m i think he will get cut and end up in Minn or NYG
 

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updates

1 denver in the hall of fame game aga ATL aug 1

2 denver added CB /S KAREEM JACKSON Flacco QB and RT J James Mia and lost C M Pardrillis CAR and Roby Hou Keemem Wash

Jackson is souild but his age + he gives up some big plays at times James will upgrade RT i wanted him 2 years ago

denver is done in FA unless they can get C J Suillian Rams or D Peko back on 1 yr deal and maybe 1 more CB
 

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Elway was Flacco is “just getting into his prime”
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player-news/headlines
we will see if he is 2014 flacco then denver might be a win 1 playoff game and out team

otherwise flacco couild be cut by 2020 or 21 with no dead $

honesty this is a 2 year deal to see if elway fanglo can make 1 more push with miller harris jr in their prime because after 2020 if denver has 2 more seasons like the last 2 V Miller couild be a trade chip to use to get T Lawance from clem
 

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denver sch
1 Sep 9 at Raiders (MNF) 7:20 PM ESPN
2 Sep 15 vs Bears 2:25 PM FOX
3 Sep 22 at Packers 11:00 AM FOX
4 Sep 29 vs Jaguars 2:25 PM CBS
5 Oct. 6 at Chargers 2:05 PM CBS
6 Oct 13 vs Titans 2:25 PM CBS
7 Oct 17 vs Chiefs (TNF) 6:20 PM NFLN
8 Oct 27 at Colts 2:25 PM CBS
9 Nov 3 vs Browns 2:25 PM CBS
10 Nov 10 BYE
11 Nov 17 at Vikings 11:00 AM CBS
12 Nov 24 at Bills 11:00 AM CBS
13 Dec 1 vs Chargers 2:25 PM CBS
14 Dec 8 at Texans 11:00 AM CBS
15 Dec 15 at Chiefs 11:00 AM CBS
16 TBD - Dec 21/22 vs Lions TBD TBD
17 Dec 29 vs Raiders 2:25 PM CBS

looks like 8-8 with a 4-7 start if denver does not win in week 1 it will be a long year
 

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Elway has a horrible record with QBs so far. Will Lock be different?
Osweiler and Siemian were above-average returns for where they were drafted, Siemian by a lot. Lynch was bad, but the hit rate with QBs in the 20's is a lot lower than people think. Lock will probably amount to nothing - the hit rate in the second is even worse - but the criticism of Elway's QB picks is way overblown.
 

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The point stands that he hasn’t drafted a viable starter in 3 previous tries. But you are right those picks aren’t much different than say Mallett or Brissett.
 

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denver has a A+ draft utill lock i think lock is a blaine gabbert type but if denver wouild had drafted someone like hakeem buter WR because its likely we lose sanders after next season that wouild had been better
2020 was the year to get a QB if they had to get one this year rosen wouild been a good gamble

but desite that riser OG Fant TE the LB from orgean D Jones DE/DT and D Watson as denth at LB from SF and adding QB B Rynten as a UNFA 5th round vavle

and it looks like C Harris jr will stay
 

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denver sch
1 Sep 9 at Raiders (MNF) 7:20 PM ESPN
2 Sep 15 vs Bears 2:25 PM FOX
3 Sep 22 at Packers 11:00 AM FOX
4 Sep 29 vs Jaguars 2:25 PM CBS
5 Oct. 6 at Chargers 2:05 PM CBS
6 Oct 13 vs Titans 2:25 PM CBS
7 Oct 17 vs Chiefs (TNF) 6:20 PM NFLN
8 Oct 27 at Colts 2:25 PM CBS
9 Nov 3 vs Browns 2:25 PM CBS
10 Nov 10 BYE
11 Nov 17 at Vikings 11:00 AM CBS
12 Nov 24 at Bills 11:00 AM CBS
13 Dec 1 vs Chargers 2:25 PM CBS
14 Dec 8 at Texans 11:00 AM CBS
15 Dec 15 at Chiefs 11:00 AM CBS
16 TBD - Dec 21/22 vs Lions TBD TBD
17 Dec 29 vs Raiders 2:25 PM CBS

looks like 8-8 with a 4-7 start if denver does not win in week 1 it will be a long year
I think closer to 4-12, but predicting this early is tough
 

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I think closer to 4-12, but predicting this early is tough
denver has a coaching upgrade from last season the key will be can denver get turnovers on def to weather the offense early season stuggs i do think denver will win 5 or 6 at home the Q is can denver win any away from mile high
 

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denver has a coaching upgrade from last season the key will be can denver get turnovers on def to weather the offense early season stuggs i do think denver will win 5 or 6 at home the Q is can denver win any away from mile high

True about the coaches but the division and QB situation are rough. 1-5 in the division is a real possibility. Then you are hit with the NFC north and AFC south. That could be tough. Not too many bad teams on the schedule.

When does Vegas post over/unders? Do you know?
 

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LAC will be tough but den gets oakland in W 1 and 17 W 1 oakland will be working out the kinks 20 new players Week 17 @ denver most likey oakland will be playing the sting
KC without hill means u can double kecble and dare everyone else to beat u
 

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J-man, you have CLE moving up and KC moving down. Can you give us a bit of color?
sure

i just think CLE will win the north other than NE who are they betther than i dont trust INDY LAC HOU PITT KC
maybe LB is a weakness for them or Safety

on KC i dont like their Def Mahomes will fall off a littie who is going to rush the passer for them other than F Clark
 

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NFC
1 CHI
2 PHILLY
3 NO
4 DAL
5 LA Rams
6 Minn
7 ATL
8 GB
9 SEA
10 CAR
11 SF
12 DET
13 WASH
14 ZONA
15 NYG
16 TB
 

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1 CHI
2 PHILLY
3 NO
4 DAL
5 LA Rams
6 Minn
7 ATL
8 GB
9 SEA
10 CAR
11 SF
12 DET
13 WASH
14 ZONA
15 NYG
16 TB
Chicago, eh? That's too bad, I was hoping for another chance to wax the city of St. Louis in a championship series.

Wait - what? With all those superior fans and all? Couldn't be!
 

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I have some issues with Denver at 9 but you will be pleased to know that Lombardi was very complimentary of your team on his podcast.


I might be biased because the game I watched more than once last year of the Broncos was the Jets absolutely kicking their ass up and down the field and the Jets were not good.
 

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I have some issues with Denver at 9 but you will be pleased to know that Lombardi was very complimentary of your team on his podcast.


I might be biased because the game I watched more than once last year of the Broncos was the Jets absolutely kicking their ass up and down the field and the Jets were not good.
is denver too high low

best case is flacco staty healty shows vaule then D Lock playes like a Stafford/jcutler type in preseason denver can win 7-9 games with flacco but can turn over to lock in 2020 because by cutting Flacco leary herman te crans S denver can save around 30 mil off the 2020 cap

unlees Vic is a top 8-10 coach the celling with denver with flacco is 11-5 and lose to NE on Div weekend which wouild be great this year but hopefully by 2021 denver has a deeper talent base of younger players esp at DB WR

by the way pats fan that are reading this in 2020 sanders and c harris jr will be FA'S and great NE fits esp sanders
 

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Chicago, eh? That's too bad, I was hoping for another chance to wax the city of St. Louis in a championship series.

Wait - what? With all those superior fans and all? Couldn't be!
i was high on dallas but with dak and garrest they are just too dicey
weantz is too brittle
NO can be beat
Rams are weaker than most thinks on def plus wade always has a bad year 2 with a team see den 1994 dal den 1990 was with denver 3 times
 

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all time broncos 100

[TH]Player[/TH] [TH]Pos.[/TH] [TH]Years[/TH]
Lyle Alzado DL 1971-78
Mike Anderson RB 2000-05
Otis Armstrong RB 1973-80
Steve Atwater S 1989-98
Champ Bailey CB 2004-13
Keith Bishop G 1980-89
Tyrone Braxton CB/S 1987-93, '95-99
Willie Brown CB 1963-66
Billy Bryan C 1977-88
Keith Burns LB 1994-98, '00-03, '05-06
Dwayne Carswell TE 1994-2005
Rubin Carter NT 1975-86
Barney Chavous DL 1973-85
Ryan Clady OT 2008-15
Dave Costa DT 1967-71
Ray Crockett CB 1994-2000
Eldon Danenhauer OT 1960-65
Terrell Davis RB 1995–2001
Brian Dawkins S 2009-11
Al Denson WR 1964-70
Elvis Dumervil DE/OLB 2006-12
Jason Elam K 1993–2007
John Elway QB 1983-98
Simon Fletcher LB/DE 1985–95
Steve Foley CB/S 1976-86
Cookie Gilchrist RB 1965, '67
Goose Gonsoulin S 1960-66
Darrien Gordon CB/PR 1997-98
Randy Gradishar LB 1974–83
Daniel Graham TE 2007-10
Howard Griffith FB 1997-2001
Mike Harden S 1980-88
Chris Harris Jr. CB 2011-present
Paul Howard G 1973-75, '77-86
Mark Jackson WR 1986-92
Rich Jackson DE 1967-72
Tom Jackson LB 1973-86
Charley Johnson QB 1972-75
Vance Johnson WR 1985-93, '95
Rulon Jones DE/OLB 1980-88
Tony Jones OT 1997-2000
Larry Kaminski C 1966-73
Greg Kragen NT 1985-95
Chris Kuper G 2006-13
Ken Lanier OT 1981-92, '94
Matt Lepsis T 1997-2007
Floyd Little RB 1967-75
John Lynch S 2004–07
Peyton Manning QB 2012-15
Brandon Marshall WR 2006-09
Ed McCaffrey WR 1995-2003
Bud McFadin DT 1960-63
Karl Mecklenburg LB 1983–95
Glyn Milburn RB/KR 1993-95
Von Miller LB 2011-present
Gene Mingo RB/K/KR 1960–64
John Mobley LB 1996-2003
Craig Morton QB 1977–82
Haven Moses WR 1972–81
Tom Nalen C 1994–2007
Riley Odoms TE 1972-83
Jake Plummer QB 2003-06
Clinton Portis RB 2002-03
Trevor Pryce DL 1997-2005
Bill Romanowski LB 1996-2001
Tom Rouen P 1993-2002
Jim Ryan LB 1979-88
Emmanuel Sanders WR 2014-present
Mark Schlereth G 1995-2000
Shannon Sharpe TE 1990-99, 2002-03
Dennis Smith S 1981-94
Neil Smith DE 1997-99
Paul Smith DE 1968-78
Rod Smith WR 1994-2006
Dave Studdard T 1979-88
Jerry Sturm G/C 1961-66
Bob Swenson LB 1975-83
Aqib Talib CB 2014-17
Lionel Taylor WR 1960-66
Demaryius Thomas WR 2010-18
Julius Thomas TE 2011-14
Billy Thompson S 1969–81
Keith Traylor LB/DT 1991-92, '97-2000
Danny Trevathan LB 2012-15
Frank Tripucka QB 1960–63
Jim Turner K 1971–79
Rick Upchurch WR/KR 1975-83
Bill Van Heusen P/WR 1968-76
Louis Vasquez G 2013-15
T.J. Ward S 2014-16
DeMarcus Ware DE/OLB 2014-16
Steve Watson WR 1979-87
Alfred Williams DE 1996-2000
D.J. Williams LB 2004-12
Darrent Williams CB 2005-06
Al Wilson LB 1999-2006
Sammy Winder RB 1982-90
Derek Wolfe DE 2012-present
Louis Wright CB 1975–86
Gary Zimmerman OT 1993–97
 

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So who's the top 10 on that list? It was tougher than I thought.

1. Elway
2. Atwater
3. Miller
4. Bailey
5. Tom Jackson
6. Demariyus Thomas
7. Gradishar
8. Sharpe
9. Rod Smith
10. Upchurch

Missing the cut were Terrell Davis and Mecklenburg
 

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they listed it in A-Z order

my top 10
1 elway
2 F Littie without floyd littie denver is in a diff market
3 C Bailey
4 gradishar
5 miller
6 shape
7 T Davis
8 atwater
9 DT
10 ROD SMITH
 

Anthologos

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This is an interesting and fun exercise (could enjoy doing this with most NFL teams)...I'm not a Bronco fan/expert, but my list overlapped about 75% with both of yours. Am surprised about Mecklenburg's absence, as I thought he'd be a sure thing...prob betraying my 80s-era childhood.
 

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Mecklenburg is great and devens that but with so many great denver teams someone was gonna miss the cut if C Harris jr re-signs with denver he will jump over rod smith
 

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on the hall of fame game

the good i think they have a top 8 coach that will keep them in every game should been the coach in 17 def looks like they are tackle much better off is going back to 97-98 roots as far as play calling

the bad lock looks like a bust the OFF is gonna to stuggte to score every game is gonna be close
 

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i watched yesterday game

and the good the 1st sting def looks good esp D-line and CB we have a top 8 head coach he is a lot like bruce arians a tells it like it is kind of guy

the bad den off other than RB is bad if flacco goes down we wont win a game lock while improve from last game needs a full redshist year no ol depth only 1 good te and he is a rook E sanders would be better used as a trade chip for a SB Cond like NE a good deal couild be a 3rd or harmon + 4th and 5th or dorrest and a 4th
 

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8-8 i can see only 5-6 wins if inj hit esp on off but if they sweep their home sch they couild get in as a 6 Seed
 

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NFL Picks

AFC East
1 NE 13-3 1 SEED
2 NYJ 8-8
3 BUFF 7-9
4 MIA 4-12

AFC NORTH
1 Cle 11-5 3 SEED
2 PITT 10-6 WC 6 SEED
3 BALT 9-7
4 CINY 4-12

AFC SOUTH
1 INDY 11-5 4 SEED
2 TENN 10-6
3 HOU 9-7
4 JAX 8-8

AFC WEST
1 KC 12-4 2 SEED
2 LAC 11-5 10-6 IF gordon holds out the whole year WC 5 SEED
3 DEN 8-8
4 OAK 6-10

NFC East
1 PHILLY 11-5 3 SEED
2 DAL 10-6 WC 5 SEED
3 WASH 6-10
4 NYG 4-12

NFC NORTH
1 CHI 11-5 2 SEED
2 MINN 10-6 WC 6 SEED
3 GB 9-7
4 DET 5-11

NFC SOUTH
1 NO 12-4 1 SEED
2 ATL 10-6
3 CAR 8-8
4 TB 6-10

NFC WEST
1 SEA 10-6 4 SEED
2 RAMS 9-7
3 SF 7-9
4 ZONA 6-10

AFC Champ game
NE OVER CLE

NFC Champ game
NO OVER CHI

SB 54 NO OVER NE
 

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Can’t argue with those predictions. The AFC South is tricky to guess. I might flip Houston and Tennessee.

A Brady/Brees super bowl would be awesome.
 

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Can’t argue with those predictions. The AFC South is tricky to guess. I might flip Houston and Tennessee.

A Brady/Brees super bowl would be awesome.
i just feel Houston awful o-line plus lack of a good 2 WR and bad coaching put them benind Tenn where Tenn only weakness is qb
 

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the good from denver preseason the def is top 5 chubb is poised to have a big year 2 jump other than chicago denver might the 2nd best def front 7 in football

the bad other than rb denver looks 2-3 years behind on off if flacco goes down denver is looking at 4-12 at best

that said if they can win 8 this year and lock takes a year to learn the system by 2021 denver couild be back in the hunt
 

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denver got punched in the mouth last night and was not the better team but oakland would had beat anyone not named NE or KC last night what worried me

1 is the sec 0-8 on the road couild happen
2 short passing games with 3 step drops can doom our pass rush to zip
3 OT
4 the ownship puzzale we dont have a owner and the likely one britteny bowlen will be inexperied