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Sadly, I think you're right. The malaise will never end.
If they finish 6-6, we will look back at Saturday’s game as a turning point — because if they revert to their old form, they won’t win two of three from among FSU/@SYR/@PITT.

I’m among those who think it’s time to move on, even though I’m not as down on Daz as others here are. But if they finish 6-6, the prospect of one more year won’t be as bad as it seems right now when the team has only played well twice all season.
 

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While we were focused on the NC State game MJ added another game to fill out the 2023 schedule. They are playing the Huskies and I don’t mean UConn (as they already are on the schedule that year). No, Dub either, even though they needed a P5 opponent. Nope, settled for Northern Illinois at Alumni

Their non league schedule for 2023 is
NIU
Holy Cross
Army
UConn

They only have 8 P5 opponents on their schedule that year. MJ has proven to be a mediocre to poor schedule maker. Since the Army game is at West Point non of these games have any interest. The non league scheduling is horrible, uninspiring and yet they struggle to win 3 non league games a year.

Just more evidence that it ain’t getting done over at Chestnut Hill
 

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I'd rather get Buffalo or EdelmanU than NIU if we have to go Mac (or Mass Aggy, ex-Mac)? Why NIU? No reward to that game whatsoever.
 

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While we were focused on the NC State game MJ added another game to fill out the 2023 schedule. They are playing the Huskies and I don’t mean UConn (as they already are on the schedule that year). No, Dub either, even though they needed a P5 opponent. Nope, settled for Northern Illinois at Alumni

Their non league schedule for 2023 is
NIU
Holy Cross
Army
UConn

They only have 8 P5 opponents on their schedule that year. MJ has proven to be a mediocre to poor schedule maker. Since the Army game is at West Point non of these games have any interest. The non league scheduling is horrible, uninspiring and yet they struggle to win 3 non league games a year.

Just more evidence that it ain’t getting done over at Chestnut Hill
That is truly embarrassing, but MJ seem to have been indoctrinated into the ever to be mediocre culture. this schedule allows them to win 2 games in conference and go to another bowl game
 

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Daz has them fired up tonight. They briefly cut it to a 10 point gap in the second peried, and were able to hold Clemson under 450 yards in the first half.

this program is as far from competing at a high level as they have ever been.
 

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Look if I told you BC would hold Lawrence to 275 yards, and Etienne to only 109 yards, I bet you would have thought this would be at least a somewhat competitive game
 

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So I can erase this one from the DVR, huh?

If this isn't humiliating enough to fire Daz, nothing will be.
 

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Daz has them fired up tonight. They briefly cut it to a 10 point gap in the second peried, and were able to hold Clemson under 450 yards in the first half.

this program is as far from competing at a high level as they have ever been.
Couldn’t agree more. This game and I’m sure the one in a month in South Bend will prove that the program has plateaued in mediocrity. Everything has a shelf life and ever so much in coaching. 7 years is a long time at one place in that profession. I give him credit for taking the program off the scrap heap but he should have been bought out a year ago.

The program is now a second division P5 team with good overall talent and a few stars but is not going anywhere. Given they refuse to upgrade the schedules, marketing is poor, their alternative uniforms are throwbacks that should be their everyday Unis, and other small yet relevant things that help a program thrive, it is time to move forward. But if they continue to schedule N Illinois and UConn when UCLA has open dates, for example, then they get what they deserve.

They will probably end up 6-6 but honestly, who cares? As to FBS level programs they will be 5-6 and in conference they will be 4-4. And Daz will still be .500 as a head coach. Yawn.
 

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Syracuse doesn't tackle very well. BC is worse.
 
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This is a pretty talented offensive group and the OC is one of the best BC has had. This team should win this game and should get to seven wins. I also think they give ND a game.
 

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even daz can't mess up dillon and bailey running over everyone leading to wide open bomb tds
 

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even daz can't mess up dillon and bailey running over everyone leading to wide open bomb tds
True but in the last they’ve been reluctant to go play action. Also, this run game is a lot more creative than years past. Lots of traps and pulls.
 

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Nice win. Give them credit. I would temper it just a bit considering the Cuse is winless in league play with victories only over Liberty Holy Cross and W Michigan. Having said that if BC had even a moderate D they would be 7-1 now and ranked. They could win the next three games or lose them. That includes ND who I know is better than what they showed today. However I think their best chance for a victory is next week against FSU. That makes them bowl eligible.

Notwithstanding all that, it is disappointing that they have to struggle like they do to get to 7 wins year after year. Enjoy AJ Dillon next week. I think that’s the last time you see him play at Alumni. No reason for him to come back to BC after this year. He’s ready for Sunday’s and should leave and get paid. Still think they end up 6-6. They win next week in a close one and drop the last two in the road.
 

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Daz has generally been great at going to fhe jugular on a weak opponent, with the exception of the Kansas game this year, you don't really find examples of Daz losing to an over matched opponent. And Cuse is arguably (and after today maybe not arguable anymore), the worst P5 team in America this year

games like this have always heightened and made more frustrating the games they flat don't show up for every year (Clemson, Kansas this year). This team certainly has the talent to have a substantially better record than they have, especially considering the absolutely pathetic schedule they have faced outside of Clemson, and Wake

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Notwithstanding all that, it is disappointing that they have to struggle like they do to get to 7 wins year after year. Enjoy AJ Dillon next week. I think that’s the last time you see him play at Alumni. No reason for him to come back to BC after this year. He’s ready for Sunday’s and should leave and get paid. Still think they end up 6-6. They win next week in a close one and drop the last two in the road.
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If anyone tries to convince Dillon to come back to BC next year they are being almost criminally negligent. He may only end up a middle round pick, but coming back to take about 600 hits next year would be the wrong thing, and there is nothing left he can do at BC which will make him a better pro. He is also only a semester from graduating. Not sure whether he will get the degree in the spring, given how much time draft pics focus on training, but he is close and will get his degree
 

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I've heard from an absolute good source that AJ is gone, as well he should be

and none of you will be suprised that Daz put the Bye week to good use, had the team practicing in pads and hitting 7 out of 9 practices, the kids are beaten to shit
TE Garrison tore his ACL vs NCSU, played vs Clemson on it another great job by BC Medical staff, even without Kavorkian (Dr English) on it anymore
 

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I've heard from an absolute good source that AJ is gone, as well he should be

and none of you will be suprised that Daz put the Bye week to good use, had the team practicing in pads and hitting 7 out of 9 practices, the kids are beaten to shit
TE Garrison tore his ACL vs NCSU, played vs Clemson on it another great job by BC Medical staff, even without Kavorkian (Dr English) on it anymore
Yup. AJ was never coming back for a senior season. Daz is going to squeeze the lemon dry trying to get that mystical 6th win. AJ needs to take control of his situation to avoid overuse these next few weeks. Glad we have Bailey to spell him.
 

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Lack of bumps suggests this is not on tv?

Just got home, box score looks like a good game
Well I think it was ACC network, so yes, not on TV

Ugly loss for BC. Blows a 11 point lead against a team that has been so awful they fired the Head Coach this week, and was missing their best player.

On the plus side they get 2 weeks to prepare for ND, so who knows what they will get
 

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3 out of the 4 ACC losses are why Daz needs to go. He loses every one of these games. Carbo nailed it years ago. He’s just not capable of winning Coin flips. He’s overmatched.
 

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Not beating neither Kansas nor Louisville nor this edition of FSU has to mean your job is done, right?
 

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What can you say? I was his biggest booster in 13 and 14 and started to waiver in ‘15 when they cratered offensively. By the end of ‘16 it became apparent that he was just a mediocre coach who would not get BC to the next level. He should have been relieved of command last December but instead was brought back. I watched his presser after the game today (see below) and if you closed your eyes you could plug that into any discussion of any loss over the last 7 years. Nothing changes. Nothing. As my favorite coach Bill Parcells would say, “you are what your record says you are”. Addazio is a mediocre/average coach.

Having said all of that, it would not surprise me if he is back no matter what happens the next 2 weeks. I don’t think Jarmond has a plan at all, except self promotion. Watch this presser and tell me this isn’t just the same old song and dance

 

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What can you say? I was his biggest booster in 13 and 14 and started to waiver in ‘15 when they cratered offensively. By the end of ‘16 it became apparent that he was just a mediocre coach who would not get BC to the next level. He should have been relieved of command last December but instead was brought back. I watched his presser after the game today (see below) and if you closed your eyes you could plug that into any discussion of any loss over the last 7 years. Nothing changes. Nothing. As my favorite coach Bill Parcells would say, “you are what your record says you are”. Addazio is a mediocre/average coach.

Having said all of that, it would not surprise me if he is back no matter what happens the next 2 weeks. I don’t think Jarmond has a plan at all, except self promotion. Watch this presser and tell me this isn’t just the same old song and dance

BC’s odds of securing a bowl appearance took a big tumble today. I think Daz is gone if they don’t pull an upset in one of their final two regular-season games.
 

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Comcast is still fighting ACCN on rights fees. -Annoying as F since Comcast has a great voice feature and DVR
This stunned me today as I knew it was on ACC Network, and I searched and searched on Comcast. Ended up "watching" the play by play on one of the websites that does play by play. Glad I didn't invest the day in this game
 

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BC’s odds of securing a bowl appearance took a big tumble today. I think Daz is gone if they don’t pull an upset in one of their final two regular-season games.
Unfortunately I fear that Pitt is a perfect matchup for them. Also as always they will be right at the top of the 5 win bucket if that gets anyone in, which seems likely

On the other hand they are going to be crazy up for ND in 2 weeks, and throw everything they have at them. Assuming they lose that game, they might end up with one of their no show type performances against Pitt

In terms of the ACC Network stuff. Honestly I think one of the best things about this fall is I can't watch this idiot on Saturdays.

But now it is basketball season and this is going to piss me off very quickly, especially if I am going to have to listen to John Meterparel do radio broadcasts
 
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Unfortunately I fear that Pitt is a perfect matchup for them. Also as always they will be right at the top of the 5 win bucket if that gets anyone in, which seems likely
It's BC though, so I don't think 5 will cut it although 6 will get them a bowl pretty likely because there are so many bowls.
 

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hey guys, i'm sure you've been wondering if I took the chuck stuart swan dive off the Tobin after FSU since I didn't post about another great game by our shithead HC, I've been busy in a text chain of about 20 people including a parent of a player and everyone wants Daz gone.
I don't know if anyone is on BCI but they had a couple posts about whacking him/ some poor kid had to give an opposing point of view Keeping him, and should we play in a bowl game at 5-7

Most agree its time but there are a couple pathetic defenders of Daz, eagleinpa and rmbc81, I called out one as being Fredo Addazio,

here are my thought from these threads, first 5-7 bowl:

While the extra practice will help our YOUTH

Let’s talk $$$$$
What will this cost us? Every Bowel game requires both schools to buy several thousand tickets to be resold at face value. Not to mention travel costs/hotels/per diems/etc for the entire party. This plus being mocked far and wide for being the 5-7 team in a bowel game in some god forsaken town isn’t worth it.
We all love AJ and what he has done for BC but he’d be crazy to play in that game, knowing full well he’s carrying the ball 20 times. Daz brags about our guys playing in the NFL, but you know if it was a choice to win the game he’d hand AJ the ball 50 times as AJ goes from a 3rd to 5th round with every carry.
I’m going to paraphrase the words of a great BC leader from the past, Glenn Foley
The only bowl Steve Addazio deserves to go to is the one I just got of.
Just say NO

Posted by Mosi's Moose on Nov 14, 2019 | 8:32 PM

now on 'keeping Addazio"

in the words of Ronald Regan, 'the fish rots from the head'

Brad Bates had a meeting for season ticket holders, 7 years ago, and he had the newly hired head coach take a few minutes away from recruiting weekend to speak to the maybe 50 of so of us. Sitting here now I’m embarrassed to say I bought it hook line and sinker, hell i was ready to pull on pads and a helmet and practice, at 50 something. What was Daz then? He was the Anti-Spaz, personality, drive, if he could sell us he sure as hell could sell recruits and their parents on the wide open offense he would bring up from FLA….
What the F happened and why are we here now?
idiotic play calling
playing guys who are hurt (AJ @50% vs Clemson last year?)
not knowing the first thing about clock management
having 5 scholarship kickers on the roster NONE of whom can kick (too big a moment for your kid too, Joe Tess ?)
losing coordinators every year (at least he hasn’t punched any out, yet)
losing recruiters every year in valuable territories (ohio, NJ, Ga)
Never making in game adjustments
Not playing the best players
making the same excuses every year, ’we’re really young on ______’ D, O, line, etc. are you playing the freshman because the guys you recruited 2 and 3 years ago Can’t Play?
the annual WTF loss, a hold over from the O’Brien years, I called Kansas as the ’19 WTF at the spring game
and where the hell did the name ‘7 Win Steve’ come from its really 3 or 4 win Steve when you take away the UMass/Howard/Holy Cross etc of the schedule
the Non Conference schedule is a pump up Daz’s record embarrassment, Bill Flynn is rolling in his grave. Back in the 70’s when Flynn was trying to make a name for us,WE were the Bosie State of the time, we’d play anyone anywhere. he scheduled Home and Home with Texas, Texas A&M, ‘Bama, Tennessee, Stanford, all those big games of Flutie’s era were scheduled when we were the cupcake. Now we have Cross, Directional Michigan, Directional Illinois, Yukon. again I ask WTF
Mr/s Patel, you did a fine job here trying to do what Louie Addazio (eagleinpa) and rmbc81 did in the other thread, defend the undefendable
Sorry Steve, its time to go, Urban will have a nice OL position for you at USC, enjoy Calif

Posted by Mosi's Moose on Nov 13, 2019 | 9:35 PM

last from is it time for him to go:
EagleinPa, Louie is that you?

only his son or agent could be defending Daz as strong as you are, give it a rest,
Lets be realistic here, Daz record is 43-43, but when you take away the yearly two or three cupcakes like Kansas, oooops, he is way way below 500. At the end I wasn’t a big fan of ToBY and his time management, but Addazio makes O’Brien look like Bear Bryant with his weekly goofups on clock management. At least we know he is passionate, as demonstrated by his antics MF’ing a zebra on the Fenway sidelines vs ND a couple years ago, funny those are the same words we use about him in the stands everyweek.
ok, I’ll give the devil his due, he, Andre Williams and Tyler Murphy did bring us back from the depths of the Spaz Error, but the multiple WTF games have us standing on the ledge of another. Running AJ into the box 40 times vs FSU is simply insane, this after running him into the line over and over vs ‘Cuse the week before and we all know, as Brian Kelly does as well, that the first BC offensive play vs ND is going to be AJ into the line. His Run Run Pass Punt offense is Woody Hayes 1975 2.0, and that game doesn’t fly anymore. Why are we suposed to buy his weekly ’we’re so young on _____’ this years its defense, but every year some area of the team is ‘young’ why are we so young? is it that YOUR recruits from a couple years ago can’t play? look in the mirror Steve
unlike many of you here, I’m old, I go back to the Jim Miller days, 26k wooden bleachers with track Alumni Stadium, I saw Penn State in 69 with Franco and Mitchell, ND in Foxboro in 75, when we beat Texas in 77 all thru the Doug years, the Coughlin years, he mediocre years Henning etc. Mr Excitement the supply officer ’we’re up aren’t we’ O’brien the excitement that Jags and Logan brought back and the train to more mediocrity Spaz and now Addazio have returned us to. BC isn’t a grow old in one place job, its a stepping stone job for any coach on the way up (and AD as well, you can bet Jarmond will be on the first train out of town if a B10 job opens). I want someone who can take us back to where we should be, we’re not going to beat Clemson every year, once in a while would be nice, but be competive with them and BEAT the other teams that we should, there is no reason we shouldn’t have beaten Wake/Louisville or FSU this year. THAT falls at the feet of the HC and his hand picked assistants. When everyone but the DC can see from the stands that teams are dropping their slot receiver 10 yards over the middle for a quick pitch and catch first down, and he continues to make NO Adjustments thats on the staff. I guess Sheridan was preparing another of his motivational tweets when those plays happen.
who’s out there? who knows but its gotten to the point where the Devil you Don’t know is preferable to the one you know,
Sorry Steve, you’ve been voted off the island

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Thank you Moose.

if Daz wins either of the next 2 games, he returns. If by some miracle upon miracle they beat SBCC he gets an extension. The AD has no plan and if he has a chance to bail this spring, he’s gone. I don’t go back to Jim Miller but I go back to Joe Yukicka and his 8-3 teams playing ND, Penn State, Texas, etc. and the teams of the 80’s where in back to back seasons they played the following

TCU
Tennessee
USC
ND
Army
Navy
WVU
Syr
Penn State
Rutgers
Temple

They went 5-6 both years but they didn’t get blown out and played tough hard nose football. They lost to eventual Rose Bowl champion USC 23-17 and turned the ball over on downs with 40 seconds left while driving to the USC 10.....at the Coliseum.

Point is BC football never shied away from the opponents. They played anyone anywhere. Compare that schedule (and add in Ohio St/Michigan/Stanford/Bama in place of ND and USC) to the garbage that is paraded out now. Couple the crappy schedules that are hand picked by Daz (ex. Kansas, Rutgers and Richmond this year, Purdue Kansas, Ohio and the Cross next year) with the horrible play calling, the built in excuses, and the constant finger pointing....and here we are.

So, do you root for losses (I think we need 2) to move the program forward or do we root for the team to beat the shamrocks and the Steel City JC? Tough call. But sometimes you need tough love to get past a roadblock in life. It hurts everyone but the ultimate end game is worth it. I think we are there. I hate to say it but I hope they lose the next 2 games. Ultimately it will be worth it.

Now I’m gonna drink a pint of Irish whiskey and chase it with Rolling Rocks.
 

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Question. Did they stop broadcasting the Radio show on Monday nights? I used to listen to it on the way home from work but the last few weeks there hasn’t been one. Rather interesting.
 

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Needing a last-minute TD to beat Virginia Tech in South Bend seems to have lit a fire under the Irish — blowing out Duke doesn’t count for much, but Navy is good this year and ND absolutely smoked them. Not too worried about an upset there.

Pitt is not as good as their 7-3 record, but they’ll still be at least a touchdown favorite at home against BC. Don’t see that as a likely upset either.

So the Daz haters should get the losing season they wanted. Whether they get one of the 5-7 bowl berths or not, I think a losing season will be curtains for Daz.

I’m normally a fan of accepting any random bowl berth for the sake of the extra practice time, that’s significantly less valuable with a lame-duck coach — and the savings from not going could help defray the cost of Daz’s buyout. So I’ll be ok if they decline the bowl bid they’ll likely receive even if they finish 5-7.
 

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So I’ll be ok if they decline the bowl bid they’ll likely receive even if they finish 5-7.
Is it likely? There are 78 slots, and there were 82 regularly eligible (6-win) teams last year. BC needs there to be at least five fewer (and maybe 6, if Duke ends up with 5 wins) this year to get in at 5.
 

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Is it likely? There are 78 slots, and there were 82 regularly eligible (6-win) teams last year. BC needs there to be at least five fewer (and maybe 6, if Duke ends up with 5 wins) this year to get in at 5.
Thanks for the knowledge. I was under the mistaken impression that a couple 5-7 teams usually got berths.
 

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Iirc, The only losing teams (or maybe just one team) was some school that was .500 and dropped below that because they won their conference division and had to play (and lose) to some powerhouse in the championship game
 

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Iirc, The only losing teams (or maybe just one team) was some school that was .500 and dropped below that because they won their conference division and had to play (and lose) to some powerhouse in the championship game
5-8 North Texas played Army in the Heart of Dallas Bowl on Dec 7, 2016. It was also one of the rare bowl games that was a rematch from that season.
 

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Well it’s 26-7 late in the third. The D played OK but the O didn’t show up, unless they bust out in the 4th (unlikely). It all comes down to Pitt next week who could be coming into that game at 8-3.
 

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The funny thing is they would probably beat some bowl team ranked 60-80. But when you're Power 5, what good does it do you?
 

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The funny thing is they would probably beat some bowl team ranked 60-80. But when you're Power 5, what good does it do you?
Face it, BC is Power 5 in name only and is only in a P5 conference because of TV contracts.
 

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What you have seen today and a few weeks back at Clemson is a team loaded with 5 stars taking on a team loaded with 3 stars. When you have better talent and better coaching, more often than not the better team will win. When you have lesser talent and a poor coach, you see games get out of hand pretty quick. Against comparable talent they are 4-4 (FCS games don’t count).

when Daz up against better coaches, generally he loses....not by much, but he loses. Clawson, Miles, the guy at Louisville and hell the interim at FSU are all better coaches than him. So what happens, they outcoach the guy and he loses. Fuentes is not a great coach, probably a Daz equal So given it is a home game and opener, Daz will steal a game.

No amount of recruiting BS or pressers about grit and youth can mask that he is a bad head coach. If Jarmond has any sense of responsibility he will let him go next week after Pitt regardless of the outcome. BC cannot compete against Top 25 opponents and will not so long as he is the head coach
 

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Ah, so I saw a post of Reddit which says there are 72 teams with bowl eligibility for 78 slots. There's 13 teams that need to win their final game to be Bowl Eligible, including BC.
 

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What you have seen today and a few weeks back at Clemson is a team loaded with 5 stars taking on a team loaded with 3 stars. When you have better talent and better coaching, more often than not the better team will win. When you have lesser talent and a poor coach, you see games get out of hand pretty quick. Against comparable talent they are 4-4 (FCS games don’t count).

when Daz up against better coaches, generally he loses....not by much, but he loses. Clawson, Miles, the guy at Louisville and hell the interim at FSU are all better coaches than him. So what happens, they outcoach the guy and he loses. Fuentes is not a great coach, probably a Daz equal So given it is a home game and opener, Daz will steal a game.

No amount of recruiting BS or pressers about grit and youth can mask that he is a bad head coach. If Jarmond has any sense of responsibility he will let him go next week after Pitt regardless of the outcome. BC cannot compete against Top 25 opponents and will not so long as he is the head coach
This season is the perfect example of this position. Kansas, Wake, Louisville and FSU. All games that were within 6 points at the half. 3 of these were at home.