2019-2020 Celtics Regular Season Thread
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Celtics get the Raptors on Dec 25th and 28th
Gasol, Siakam, Powell probably out?
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/19/nba-boston-celtics-toronto-raptors-christmas-day-marc-pascal-siakam-norman-powell-marc-gasol-out/
Gasol, Siakam, Powell probably out?
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/19/nba-boston-celtics-toronto-raptors-christmas-day-marc-pascal-siakam-norman-powell-marc-gasol-out/
In terms of realistic deals out there right now, I’m most interested
Nice for seeding, but I prefer playing teams at full strength. Feel like it forces better habits as opposed to playing down.
In today's NBA, we don't see as much of that as you would think. Brad's already said that after the new year, we'll start resting players.
Another scheduling quirk, Toronto is the only above .500 team they play over the next 10 games.
30 wins is in play at the halfway mark.
Load up on wins now, so they can selectively rest players in the 2nd half of the season
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Yeah, with the way the schedule and the East are breaking (Toronto hurt, Philly inconsistent, Indy without Victor), I'm inclined now to go for it a bit more in the regular season to get the #2 seed. There's real value in putting off the Milwaukee matchup as long as possible, and also hoping that Milwaukee/Philly have to meet in round 2.
I know it seems sort of cheap, but I'm relishing the potential opportunity of beating Toronto twice over the next week or so while they are hurt and getting an advantage in that head to head matchup for seeding.
I know home court isn't the be all and end all, but the Celtics do seem to play better at home and home games are just more fun as a fan. So, I appreciate winning during the regular season. So, let's hope the C's can go on a bit of a run here against these weaker opponents.
I know home court isn't the be all and end all, but the Celtics do seem to play better at home and home games are just more fun as a fan. So, I appreciate winning during the regular season. So, let's hope the C's can go on a bit of a run here against these weaker opponents.
agreed, Poeltl is my trade binky right now. VP/ Charlotte 2nd-rounder would be a nice deal for the Spurs for their back-up Center, who is an RFA at seasons end. Milwaukee pick? that may be a bridge too far. I can't imagine any other NBA team would offer a first for Poeltl
Poeltl would be a good third wheel for a 3-headed Center monster. Brad has a knack for getting the most out guys like him. He's very efficient according to ON/OFF, ORtg/DRtg, DBPM, RPM. He's 7'1", young (24), with playoff experience. As we saw last season, all it takes is a few injuries to some key players (KD/Klay) and Championship aspirations can come true for a top 5 team (Toronto).
Plus a Kanter or Theis injury would cripple the Celtics this season. Counting on TL being healthy is a fools errand at this point IMO.
Also, Poeltl is a potential cheap signable option in the off-season. Even though there is a dearth of free agents this summer, teams aren't looking to spend big on 5s that play 15-20mpg. I could see teams ignoring Poleltl in restricted free agency (similar to Marcus Smart). The new NBA market inefficiency is cheap, veteran 5s. Load up on several of them at $5MM/each.
I've moved off Nerlens Noel. OKC is playing well enough to not move him. He doesn't really have the bulk. Boston area issues? That being said, I'd still grab him if Poeltl isn't available and a 2nd is all it took for NN.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html
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The East will be bunched up from seed 2-6. Load up on wins now so guys can rest weeks before the playoffs. Drawing the 7th seed (Nets?) in round 1 instead of getting a Pacer, Raptors or Heat team would be helpful.
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Interesting, I'd be totally fine giving up a late 1st for Poeltl with the intention of re-signing him at around $5-7M/year.
the spread between Milwaukee 1st-rounder and the 2nd rounder is pretty thin. Its more semantics, right?
San Antonio looks bad enough after the Kawhi deal, it may take the headline of grabbing a first-rounder and a Euro player for Poeltl for them to stomach it.
2nd rounder is the worse of Knicks/Nets, so it'll be around 45-50. Turning late 1sts into roleplayers is generally a meh, but the 2020 Celtics are a special case in that regard.
ugh, I thought they were getting the Knicks 2nd rounder. I stand corrected. That's quite a bit different.
If Danny had an inkling the free agency element played out at $5-7MM/per it really works. nighthob will probably spoil it with a "Poeltl is getting 4yrs/$60MM" and blow up that thesis
The Celtics are loaded to the rafters with young players developing and future picks. Losing a late first-rounder for the 2020 season + signability for a role player is somewhat justifiable but makes me want to wait until January.
Young centers in RFA really aren't getting paid. Sabonis is good as hell and didn't even get Ryan Anderson money (He really should have waited imo: Atlanta would have paid him). Looney got about 5 per, and that was before the injuries started.ugh, I thought they were getting the Knicks 2nd rounder. I stand corrected. That's quite a bit different.
If Danny had an inkling the free agency element played out at $5-7MM/per its justifiable. nighthob will probably spoil it with a Poeltl is getting 4yrs/$60MM and blow up that whole thesis
The Celtics are loaded to the rafters with young players developing and future picks. Losing a late first-rounder for the 2020 season for a role player is somewhat justifiable but makes me want to wait until January.
off-tangent, there was a rush of guys signing at the end there (Murray, Hield, Sabonis Brown). It makes me wonder if the Player Agents got queasy with whispers of the China situation hurting the 2020 cap.
This will be even funnier when he's unceremoniously traded as the salary attached to a pick for a Poeltl-type.
Yeah, makes sense. I watched Toronto’s comeback against Dallas, and it was triggered by a lot of gimmicky full court press and a bit of zone. Good ball-handling and quickness will be important.
smart move bringing up Waters.
This organization has been on point since June 20th
maybe you're right and Tremont is our future VanVleet
With so much turnover in the offseason and the C's outperforming the most optimistic of preseason projections, I'd expect they don't do anything drastic (or bizarre like trading for Love/TT).
Maybe something on the edges like a 3rd string Center if TL continues to be hobbled. VP has missed so much development time, he's almost a sunk cost. Brad doesn't ask much from the Centers, but if they lost Theis or Kanter it would add unnecessary stress to their BIG 4+. I'd be fine with Tacko as the deep depth 5, so if Danny doesn't "feel inclined to trade for a 3rd string Center" that's also fine.
The schedule is about to get busy and Brad has said he will start some sort of load mgmt/rest starters in January. Expect to see some weird rotations and the teams' deep depth play out.
The Celtic road to 2020 championship contention is all about BIG 4+ health, a continued progression from the Jay's, and other teams having bad luck with health.
BIG 4+ = Kemba, Tatum, Brown, Hayward +Smart
Wanamaker has been struggling quite a bit of late. Once Smart gets back he can hopefully slide into more of a lesser role. If they ended up with long term injury issues to their core 5, I think the upgrades they would most need would be to Wanamaker or Semi, moreso than to the centers.
The one article out recently was talking about the Celtics needing further wing depth, because "what if the Celtics lost Brown or Tatum?" Well, if they lost one of those guys, their championship hopes are toast. So, I agree, some modest depth at center would be helpful - because I'd hate for this group to have a lost year because Theis or Kanter got hurt.
Ugh, I meant that for the NBA game thread. I completely agree that the Celts have no need for him.
But as a Lakers hater, I wish kouzma sucked
If the Cs need more wing depth then it's literally impossible to have enough. Hayward has been every bit as good as them, missed 16 games, and they went 12-4. Smart's missed 8 and they're 6-2. No team in the league has more wing depth than them.
That was Hollinger's piece and his reasoning made zero sense. You make in-season trades to fill a need or to upgrade a position......Hollinger wrote sentence after sentence of drivel while addressing neither.
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The Celtics and the Bucks are interesting to me, because I don't quite buy that their net ratings are representative of what they are in the playoffs, and in certain matchups in particular. In the Bucks' case, it's because running up against one Giannis-stopper completely takes them out of their identity. With the Celtics it feels like they have too many moving parts, all of which have to be humming just right.
They're both going to pile up a lot of wins though, because the regular season net ratings are for real. They both stomp lesser teams, hard.
They're both going to pile up a lot of wins though, because the regular season net ratings are for real. They both stomp lesser teams, hard.
If SexPants is a metonym for regular season net rating teams, I approve.
I didn't know that Richard Starkey played for the Celtics. Maybe he's just visiting.
I think it’s safe to say that the Celts don’t have a Top-10 in the NBA player. But might it also be true that they have four or even 5 in the top 50 or so?
Is that enough to win it all?
What was the last team without a top-10 player to win it all? The 2004 Pistons?
Is that enough to win it all?
What was the last team without a top-10 player to win it all? The 2004 Pistons?
I would say 2014 Spurs. At that point, 38 year-old Duncan was no longer a top 10 player and don’t think 22 year-old Kawhi had reached that level just yet.
Parker was great player but he’s never been a top 10 player in the league. I think the 2014 Spurs are the model for these Celtics.
Yes but 22 year old KL was finals MVP over at least a couple players who were considered Top-10.
He was definitely emerging but not yet a Top 10 player. Either way, I think this is the model. A bunch of top 20-40 guys and strong role players. Celtics bench might need one more veteran piece.
Yeah, Kawhi wasn't a top-10 player himself (not a primary scorer yet), but he was able to effectively turn other top-10 players into non top-10 players with his defense. That's a model the Celtics can definitely try to emulate.
First, of course, they need to maybe get a rebound against Toronto, but hey, baby steps.
As long as they don't go all 2018-2019 on us, I thought last night's loss was helpful. It felt like everyone had started reading their own press clippings, and every time it got close, they thought they'd just blow Toronto away with superior talent. Doesn't work that way in the NBA, so was a good memento mori game imo.