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Jonathan Villar to the Marlins.

"The Orioles have acquired minor league LHP Easton Lucas from the Marlins in exchange for INF Jonathan Villar."
 
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i almost felt sorry for villar for going to the marlins but moving from the orioles to miami is probably an upgrade. Taijuan Walker being let go is a big surprise but he hasnt pitched in 2 years. He was a league average pitcher when he was 23 and actually pretty good when he was 24. Very interested to see where he turns up. Addison Russell seems to be a pretty toxic asset, cant see any contendng team giving him a roster spot
 
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jon abbey said:
Not a Brewers expert but losing both Grandal and Moustakas has to hurt, rosterresource has their current catcher as Manny Pina and their 3B as Tyler Saladino and Travis Shaw (who I thought was in danger of being non-tendered) as their starting 1B.
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So much for this, Shaw and Saladino both non-tendered. Maybe Arcia or Urias moves to 3B?
 
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Cashman will be all over this.
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We’ll see, does a sixth back end guy with no options really make sense for NY? They need at least a few guys who can eat innings and be shuttled to AAA if needed and there are only 8 bullpen spots.
 
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Not sure it does, kind of doubt they’ll sign either but I will examine it in depth later.
 
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OK, I will write a longer post in the Yankee section and try to figure out how much sense it might make.
 
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sean1562 said:
View: https://twitter.com/dougherty_jesse/status/1201649037834887168


I know I have read some people suggesting we give Ryan Zimmerman a shot but it doesnt seem like he is interested in playing anywhere but DC
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I think I’m the only one who said that. My thinking was to make him a full time DH and see if that keeps him healthy. He had a monster season in 2017, the last time he was health.

But with JD not opting out, a buyers market for 1B/DH types, and his stated desires we’ll never see if that was to be.
 
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If they try and don't get Cole, fine. But of all the other targets, I really hope they stay away from MadBum. Even a Wheeler overpay would be better than that. At least then I could try to convince myself that the new pitching coach/staff will unlock more of his potential.

I just don't see that for MB.
 
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Is there some kind of backstory with Cole and New York as far as bad blood?
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No. They drafted him a few years ago knowing that he preferred to go back to school. He did go to school instead of joining the Yankees. Then they tried to acquire him via trade from the Pirates and failed. There's a popular pic floating around of Cole as a kid with a Yankees sign that says "Yankees fan forever" or something like that, so it's really more about whether he prefers going home to Cali or to a team he is apparently a fan of.

So he is more of an elusive target than actively avoiding the team. I'm pretty sure the consensus is that he's going to go where the money is.
 
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RedOctober3829 said:
I don't think the Yankees will wind up with either Cole or Strasburg. I think they're going to have to pick from either Wheeler or MadBum.
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The thing is that Wheeler is going to sign soon from reports and Cole not until maybe February. IMO NY will sign Cole or no one from the FA SPs and they will almost certainly end up over $248M if they do (assuming they have to pay Ellsbury).
 
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Phillies sign Wheeler, no numbers yet. I am guessing 6/120.
 
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I think Wheeler is a #4 starter at best, so those are insane numbers (23.6M AAV). if he is a #2-3 type, that's a bit better.
 
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Has never thrown 200 innings in a year, ERA+ of 102 last year, contract takes him to age 34. YIKES.

Edited to add: How any team looks at what happened with Sale and Eovaldi last year and still overpays a guy like Wheeler is beyond me.

That said, this article -- written before the deal -- suggests it's not unreasonable.

Wheeler’s strong finish to the season and his good peripheral numbers make declining the QO just as easy. He should be in line for a multi-year deal close to if not above the $17.8 million average annual value of the offer.

Don’t think so? Let’s look at Wheeler’s recent comparables in free agency.

Wheeler makes for an interesting free agent case, given that his production has almost exclusively occurred within the last two seasons. Wheeler has been worth 8.9 wins above replacement (according to FanGraphs) since the start of 2018 — a mark that aligns him with pitchers such as Patrick Corbin, Jon Lester and Johnny Cueto when they hit the open market. Pitchers who produced between eight and 10 wins above replacement over the two seasons prior to hitting free agency have averaged just less than $23 million per season in their next deal. Seven of the eight received nine-figure contracts.

Pitcher Year fWAR previous two years Contract
Hamels 2013 9.3 6 144 24.0
Wilson 2012 9.3 5 77.5 15.5
Corbin 2019 8.9 5 140 28.0
Wheeler 2020 8.9
Lester 2015 8.7 6 155 25.8
Cain 2012 8.6 6 128 21.3
Cueto 2016 8.5 6 130 21.7
Zimmermann 2016 8.5 5 110 22.0
Greinke 2013 8.1 6 147 24.5


It’s the pitcher who didn’t get a nine-figure guarantee who probably resembles Wheeler the most: C.J. Wilson. Wilson excelled for Texas after becoming a full-time starter in 2010, pitching close to ace-level for back-to-back pennant-winners. Prior to those two seasons, though, his track record was short. The three years leading up to that breakout, he’d contributed just 1.9 wins above replacement total.
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Steve Cohen, it sounds like, is going to become the majority owner of the Mets in 5 years.
View: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1202323435260645382
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Given what hedge funds have done to the media industry, I'm curious to see how they handle a baseball team. If this is anything but a vanity investment that Cohen doesn't care about making money, Mets fans should worry.

But if it's a vanity investment that Cohen will spend on lavishly in order to be able to win a ring, Mets fans should rejoice.
 
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More info on the Mets ownership situation. The Wilpons are in fact going to be giving up majority ownership.

The owners of the New York Mets are in talks to sell up to 80% of the Major League Baseball team to billionaire Steve Cohen, who is already an investor in the club, according to person familiar with the matter.

The transaction would value the team at $2.6 billion, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the talks are private. The Mets confirmed the talks in a statement.

Fred Wilpon, the team’s principal owner, will remain in his current role for at least five years, at which time Cohen will have a path to controlling the franchise, said the person. Jeff Wilpon, his son, will remain as the team’s chief operating officer for the five-year period, the person said.

Fred Wilpon is making the move as part of estate and philanthropic planning, the person said. The Wilpons will retain a stake in the franchise they assumed control of in 2002, the person said.
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nattysez said:
Given what hedge funds have done to the media industry, I'm curious to see how they handle a baseball team. If this is anything but a vanity investment that Cohen doesn't care about making money, Mets fans should worry.

But if it's a vanity investment that Cohen will spend on lavishly in order to be able to win a ring, Mets fans should rejoice.
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LOL...Stevie is not buying the Mets to make money, he is doing it to win the fucking World Series. The guy is uber competitive and basically lives to say Fuck You to the establishment. It will be interesting to see who he brings in to run baseball ops. But he will spend money. Lots of Money
 
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