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Bumgarner got 5/85 with deferrals, so let's assume that is around $15M per year in actual money. The length is clearly a factor, but I think BOS might need to take on even more of the deal to make Price interesting to other teams, maybe pay it down to 3/45. And at that point, does it even make sense to move him?
 

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Bumgarner got 5/85 with deferrals, so let's assume that is around $15M per year in actual money. The length is clearly a factor, but I think BOS might need to take on even more of the deal to make Price interesting to other teams, maybe pay it down to 3/45. And at that point, does it even make sense to move him?
Absolutely not. The only reason to dump him is to get rid of most of his salary.
 

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Some wrap-up on today's deals...

this Angels writer hears the Indians wanted two of their top 10 prospects for Kluber. He speculates the Indians think Clase is the real deal.

View: https://twitter.com/jefffletcherocr/status/1206368136410193920


Rosenthal hears MadBum wanted to go to Arizona as long as the offer was comparable. Seems like post-revisionist history to me, but who am I to say?

https://theathletic.com/1462201/2019/12/15/roundtable-reaction-the-diamondbacks-sign-madison-bumgarner-to-a-five-year-deal/
A few days ago, an executive asked me, “Why hasn’t Madison Bumgarner signed?” His theory: Bumgarner didn’t have the $100 million offer he was seeking.
The executive turned out to be correct — Bumgarner agreed with the Diamondbacks Sunday on a five-year, $85 million free-agent contract with $15 million deferred, about as club-friendly a deal as we have seen in free agency this offseason.
A source close to Bumgarner says the Diamondbacks were his No. 1 choice, provided they could pay him at an appropriate level. As The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly recently noted, Bumgarner has horses in the Phoenix area and loves it there. For Bumgarner, an individualist who cares little about public perception, that and the solid five-year offer were enough.
 

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Bumgarner got 5/85 with deferrals, so let's assume that is around $15M per year in actual money. The length is clearly a factor, but I think BOS might need to take on even more of the deal to make Price interesting to other teams, maybe pay it down to 3/45. And at that point, does it even make sense to move him?
The MLB Trade Rumors guy went even lower than this in his chat tonight, he thought teams would be interested in the 3/36 neighborhood. That seems a little low to me.

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/mlbtr-chat-with-mark-polishuk-6587.html
 

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Yea I think people on this board are inflating his value to other teams. The guy hasn’t been completely healthy in three years and is getting older. Keuchel and ryu can probably be signed for much less than price. Why bother?
 

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Price is worth more than 3/$36. That's hardly more than Kyle Gibson, who's never been more than a 3/4 innings eater at best. Bumgarner's deal was light than expected given the high ends deals dished out this offseason. If Ryu comes in at a similar AAV, then yes, I think dealing Price will be difficult. But what if Boras can get Ryu - who has been excellent when healthy but is not himself a model of health or post-season success - say, 3 years at $20-25m per? That makes Price, subsidized to that range, a fallback a more reasonable proposition.
 

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Price is worth more than 3/$36. That's hardly more than Kyle Gibson, who's never been more than a 3/4 innings eater at best. Bumgarner's deal was light than expected given the high ends deals dished out this offseason. If Ryu comes in at a similar AAV, then yes, I think dealing Price will be difficult. But what if Boras can get Ryu - who has been excellent when healthy but is not himself a model of health or post-season success - say, 3 years at $20-25m per? That makes Price, subsidized to that range, a fallback a more reasonable proposition.
Ryu since '16: 0 fWAR, 0.6, 1.9, 4.8
Price since '16: 4.4, 1.5, 2.4, 2.3

Ryu's performance when healthy is as good as anyone's, but it's hard not to notice that Price has thrown almost 180 more IP over that span. I'd be more bullish on Price healthwise, I think.

I also don't think people on this board have properly priced in just how weird Bumgarner's post-dirtbike years have been. The 2018/19 version gives up a lot of fly balls, a lot of pulled contact, and a lot of hard contact. He's benefited from pitching in a park with both a deep OF and a marine layer that turns most of those fly balls into outs, at least those hit after 4 pm or so. This has resulted in some pretty wild splits.

2018 home ERA: 1.63
2018 away ERA: 4.97

2019 home ERA: 2.93
2019 away ERA: 5.29

I think a few teams looked at that and wondered whether he was just a product of Mays Field at Oracle Park. I'm not sure he's really a great comp here.
 

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that gap is a lot smaller if you dont include 2016, the season Price threw 230 innings and Ryu only threw 4.2. It is fair to be more bullish on Price healthwise but Ryu seems to be a much better pitcher when he is actually healthy. Fangraphs projects 3/48 for Ryu which is literally half price. I think we are gonna find that Price really isnt that moveable without eating so much of the contract that it just doesnt make sense for the team
 

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Avisail Garcia signs with Brewers for 2yrs/20m. He definitely got paid after Rays revived him on a 3.5m deal last year. My dream of the Bay of Puigs is now one step closer....
 

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that gap is a lot smaller if you dont include 2016, the season Price threw 230 innings and Ryu only threw 4.2. It is fair to be more bullish on Price healthwise but Ryu seems to be a much better pitcher when he is actually healthy. Fangraphs projects 3/48 for Ryu which is literally half price. I think we are gonna find that Price really isnt that moveable without eating so much of the contract that it just doesnt make sense for the team
Yes, but Price was also above 4 WAR — and had one year around 7 — the preceding six seasons, so it would have been weird to leave it out, too.

Ryu's 6 years in MLB 2013–2019: 740 IP
Price, 2014–16: 689 IP

I wouldn't move Price if I ran the team, but I wouldn't be trying to get under the CBT threshold in the last year of Mookie's team control, either. Once we've made that (stupid IMO) decision, dealing one or both of Price and/or JDM pretty much follow.
 

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Astros with their first real offseason move, they resign Joe Smith for two years, $8 million.
 

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Miley was awesome last year until he hit a wall the last month or so. CIN took a similar gamble with Sonny Gray last year and that worked out great for them.
 

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“ Wade Miley had 3-4 other teams bidding for him, with at least one other multi-year offer in hand. Reuniting with pitching coach Derek Johnson, with whom he had great success in Milwaukee, was an important factor in his decision to sign with Cincinnati.”

Johnson also had a lot to do with CIN trading for Gray last year, he coached Gray at Vanderbilt.
 

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Looks like the Blue Jays are signing pitcher Shun Yamaguchi to a 2yr/6mm deal. It's a bit surprising as I believe this is the first time the Yomiuri Giants have ever posted a player. Yamaguchi is coming off a career best season in which he went 15-4, 2.91 ERA with 188 K in 170 IP. He's a bit of a question mark though, having missed most of 2017 after getting drunk, hitting someone, and getting suspended for the rest of the year. He forces marathon drinking sessions on younger players, and is apparently not well liked. He should fit right in in Canada.
 

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A lot of guys who were hurt by last year's market are doing much better this time around: Moustakas, Grandal, Keuchel, soon Donaldson, all got one year last winter, all have gotten 3 or 4 years at big money this winter.
 

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The White Sox could be really interesting next year if their pitchers stay healthy and their young position players' development continues apace.
 

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Keuchel and Gio Gonzalez means a lot of pressure on the left side infield to turn all those grounders into outs, Anderson and Moncada are their SS/3B currently but I wonder if signing Jose Iglesias and moving one of those two to 2B makes sense (they have Madrigal en route also).
 

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It's not exactly news, but for anyone playing fantasy, Vlad Jr. is looking like he is in way better shape than last year (Wander Franco on the left, from his Instagram):

 

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Also Josh Donaldson is still out there as a major impact FA, he is the last one. He would be a great fit on LAD (move Turner) or MIN (move Sano), hoping he goes to the Braves or Nats.
 

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Keuchel and Gio Gonzalez means a lot of pressure on the left side infield to turn all those grounders into outs, Anderson and Moncada are their SS/3B currently but I wonder if signing Jose Iglesias and moving one of those two to 2B makes sense (they have Madrigal en route also).
This is Gio’s 3rd stint with the South Siders. It would be amazing if they could trade him away a 3rd time.

The White Sox are taking an interesting approach, blurring the traditional line between rebuilding and going for it. On the rebuilding side, Madrigal and Robert will be called up as soon as the service time clock allows, Eloy needs to continue his development, and Kopech and Rodon will have to reestablish themselves. On the go for it side, Gio is fine as an innings eater on a one year deal; the other Nomar has 2 arbitration years left; Keuchel & Aubreu are signed for 3 years; and Grandal is on board for 4.

They still need a DH, and the rumors about Encarnacion on a 1yr + option deal fit with the same approach. They’ll probably take a similar approach to building out the bullpen this season.

If if all clicks this year, they could compete in the weak AL Central. If this things don’t take off this season, they will have contracts coming off the books (as well as an ability to increase payroll that they haven’t tapped for a long while) over the next few years to rejigger the team around the young guns
 
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Yeah, I like what the White Sox are doing more than most of the rebuilding teams in the AL. Everyone is excited about the Blue Jays on Twitter right now but they have got a ton of holes to fill still.
 

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They did like those two pitching prospects they got from the Mets, and Stroman was leaving after 2020. I don't really like the Ryu signing for them, I think he will be exposed much more in the AL East, but if he is good, he is in place longer term.

Rebuilding has never been harder if you are in the same division as one or more of these power teams, TOR has some great young players but is stuck in the middle a bit.
 

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It would be interesting to start a poll on that tier of AL teams, maybe something like 'which AL team that hasn't made the playoffs in the past two years will be the first to do so?'. So that rules out BOS, NY, TB, CLE, MIN, HOU and OAK. Leaving:

TOR
BAL
CHW
KC
DET
LAA
TEX
SEA

Toronto is maybe 4th on that list for me, behind LAA and TEX and CHW. I think I'd go White Sox right now, Encarnacion would be a great fit there (their current primary DH is James McCann) but they have so much young star potential in their lineup, even Mazara is just 24 still. The Angels have incredible superstars obviously but they fall off really quickly and that division is getting tougher. The Rangers might have one of the best 1-5 rotations in the league if all breaks well (Lynn and Minor were great last year, they added Kluber and Gibson and Lyles) and are making a lot of good moves.

Ryu is obviously really good, 2nd in the NL Cy Young voting this year and a sub-3 ERA for his career, but it's hard as a Yankee fan to not remember them pounding him in late August in LA, Judge and Sanchez going deep in the 3rd and then Didi (one tear) with a grand slam in the 5th:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN201908230.shtml
 

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The Indians have found their second baseman for 2020, signing Cesar Hernandez to a 1-year $6.25M deal. This is honestly more than I expected them to spend on anyone... hell, it's nearly 2.5x what they spent in free agency last winter. They were ready to move on from Jason Kipnis because they got tired of him getting injured every year (or playing poorly through aches and pains), so they went out and got a guy who has only missed one game each of the past two years.