2018 Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady: Still Proving It

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The stat is wrong though. Brady is 5-0. There are more wins. Given false info. My bad.
With all the subsequent comments, I feel like your original post must have read something like "Pats are 1-12 when not scoring any points".
 

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There's another crazy Brady stat that was going after they beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. I can't remember it exactly. I think it was playoff wins when attempting at least 50 passes. Brady is 6-2 and I think the rest of the league had virtually none or certainly fewer than 6.

I guess that's a stat partly about Brady and partly about Belichick. Belichick will run 50 times or pass 50 times. He's really not about balance. But it also is about Brady's ability to come back and win games even where he is arguably one dimensional.
 

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There's another crazy Brady stat that was going after they beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. I can't remember it exactly. I think it was playoff wins when attempting at least 50 passes.
If nothing else, here are the specifics of the bolded stat: Brady has 6 playoff wins (and two losses, fantastic memory) when attempting 50+ passes. Fouts, Kosar, and Eli have one each, with no losses. That's the complete list.

Others to have 50+ attempts, all winless in such attempts are:

0-3: Jim Kelly
0-2: Brees, George, Marino, Moon
0-1: Aikman, Bledsoe, Todd Collins, Cunningham, Dalton, Krieg, Lomax, Luck, McNabb*, O'Donnell, Rivers*, Big Ben, Schaub*, Jay Schroeder, Alex Smith*, Testaverde, Richard Todd, Danny White, Steve Young

*Faced New England in the BB/TB era in such a game.
 

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I guess that's a stat partly about Brady and partly about Belichick. Belichick will run 50 times or pass 50 times. He's really not about balance. But it also is about Brady's ability to come back and win games even where he is arguably one dimensional.
Yeah, the big thing about Belichick is that there is no big thing -- he does what it takes to win given what he has on the roster. This year they were stronger in the run game than in the passing game in some respects so even tho he had Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady under center, he was happy to ram the ball down people's throats as much as it took. And then when they needed to throw the ball, they had a guy who wasn't too bad at it ...
 

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There's another crazy Brady stat that was going after they beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. I can't remember it exactly. I think it was playoff wins when attempting at least 50 passes. Brady is 6-2 and I think the rest of the league had virtually none or certainly fewer than 6.

I guess that's a stat partly about Brady and partly about Belichick. Belichick will run 50 times or pass 50 times. He's really not about balance. But it also is about Brady's ability to come back and win games even where he is arguably one dimensional.
Brady 6-2.

All other QBs 1-11 since 1999. For some reason pro football reference doesn't work pre-1999 for my search
 

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Brady 6-2.

All other QBs 1-11 since 1999. For some reason pro football reference doesn't work pre-1999 for my search
You searched by position, which only goes back to 1999, in addition to pass attempts. Given no non-QB will ever throw 50+ times in a playoff game, it's an unnecessarily filter to Play Index. As you see by my post above, other QBs all time are 3-30, 0-4 when facing BB/TB.
 

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You searched by position, which only goes back to 1999, in addition to pass attempts. Given no non-QB will ever throw 50+ times in a playoff game, it's an unnecessarily filter to Play Index. As you see by my post above, other QBs all time are 3-30, 0-4 when facing BB/TB.
Ah thanks
 

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Tom Brady's three "careers":

2000-2006
70-24 (.745) regular season
12-2 (.857) post season
5 division titles
3 AFC championships
3 Super Bowl titles
1896-3064 (61.9%), 21,564 yds, 7.0 y/a, 147 td, 78 int, 88.4 rating
3 pro bowls
2 Super Bowl MVP

2007-2013
78-19 (.804) regular season
6-6 (.500) post season
6 division titles
2 AFC championships
2282-3522 (64.8%), 27,585 yds, 7.8 y/a, 212 td, 56 int, 102.2 rating
6 pro bowls
2 first team all-pro
2 MVP

2014-2018
59-17 (.776) regular season
12-2 (.857) post season
5 division titles
4 AFC championships
3 Super Bowl titles
1826-2789 (65.5%), 21,365 yds, 7.7 y/a, 158 td, 37 int, 101.9 rating
5 pro bowls
1 first team all-pro
1 MVP


I'd categorize the first "career" as him being a championship winner but not necessarily a great stat guy. I'd categorize the second "career" as putting up insane, Peyton Manning-like stats, but who couldn't win a title. I'd categorize the third "career" as winning championships AND putting up insane stats. This third "career" is basically the first two put together.

Just unfathomably great.
 

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Brady 6-2.

All other QBs 1-11 since 1999. For some reason pro football reference doesn't work pre-1999 for my search
In the FWIW department, Brady's record when throwing 50 passes (combined playoffs and regular season) is just absurd when compared to other QB's:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/16/other-quarterbacks-pass-when-theyre-losing-tom-brady-passes-to-win/

This link is a year old, but Brady was 19-9 at the time. Brees, Manning, and Marino are a combined 13-39.
 

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Brady averaged 36.6 pass attempts during the regular season, and 41.7 in the playoffs.

In the 5 regular season losses, Brady averaged 36.2. So, I guess the trend continues: when Tom passes, good things happen.
 

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Through 5 seasons as a pro Brady finished more playoff games than Garropolo finished regular season starts.
Garropolo and Brady are #2 and #3 in QB career winning percentage in NFL history (min 10 games). Brady would have to win his next 44 games in a row to pull ahead of Garropolo. Alternately, if Garropolo loses his next start, Brady would have to lose 19 straight games to fall behind him again.

Math is simultaneously stupid and fun when playing with wildly different sample sizes.
 

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It’s not manipulating numbers to say that Garropolo has started 10 NFL games and has only finished 8 of them, the other 2 of which he has suffered serious or semi serious injuries. It’s just an interesting stat to me. Jimmy is going into his 6th year and has played start to finish in 8 games. That’s pretty crazy considering what the Niners are paying him.
 

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I’ve said about a thousand times on this board that Brady’s most underrated skills are knowing when to throw the ball away and staying healthy. While a guy like Rodgers can’t stay on the field for a full season, and Ben is constantly giving starts to the likes of Charlie Batch, the fact that Brady has literally had two injuries in 18 years that have caused him to miss time is utterly remarkable and not some function of QB rules today. Meanwhile, and as much as I liked him, there is literally no evidence at all that Garropolo can play for more than a handful of games without getting carried off the field.
 

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You're right Van Everyman that Brady has a great ability to avoid injury, but there's no doubt that rules matter. Think about the play in the Super Bowl when Donald threw Brady to the ground. The ref came over and warned Donald to take it easy or he'd flag him. I can't imagine a ref saying that to Lawrence Taylor as he buries Joe Montana. What they used to be able to do to quarterbacks...well...if Brady was subject to THAT (and he does take some hits), there's a very good chance he'd have missed many more games in his career.

Then again, watch here:


and fast forward to 2:46 and you'll see Brady get absolutely LIT UP and he got back up and kept going. So who knows.
 

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Every time someone calls Brady a wuss or says he would never have survived the Montana NFL (which the NFL was Brady’s first 7 years btw), I show them this hit:


Jesus Christ.
 

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Every time someone calls Brady a wuss or says he would never have survived the Montana NFL (which the NFL was Brady’s first 7 years btw), I show them this hit:


Jesus Christ.
Yeah that's the one I just referred to in the post above yours. Holy crap.

It is unbelievable when people call Brady a "pretty boy" (which has happened numerous times by various people in the media) simply because, like other quarterbacks in today's game, the refs call roughing the passer penalties on occasion with him. Clearly, he's a very very very tough son of a gun.
 

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It’s not manipulating numbers to say that Garropolo has started 10 NFL games and has only finished 8 of them, the other 2 of which he has suffered serious or semi serious injuries. It’s just an interesting stat to me. Jimmy is going into his 6th year and has played start to finish in 8 games. That’s pretty crazy considering what the Niners are paying him.
Sorry man, I realize reading back what I wrote it looks like I was criticizing you. That wasn't the case at all, I was chuckling to myself about how one loss by Garropolo could swing those numbers by 63 games on Brady's side.

My bad, apologies for being unclear on that one.
 

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Sorry man, I realize reading back what I wrote it looks like I was criticizing you. That wasn't the case at all, I was chuckling to myself about how one loss by Garropolo could swing those numbers by 63 games on Brady's side.

My bad, apologies for being unclear on that one.
No worries. I'm confident in saying Jimmy won't touch Brady's W-L % in the end.
 

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Certainly not as bad as the Buffalo one, but I always thought the hit he took against Denver (Dumervil) was pretty nasty. The fact that he held onto the ball and popped right back up is pretty crazy.

 

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Certainly not as bad as the Buffalo one, but I always thought the hit he took against Denver (Dumervil) was pretty nasty. The fact that he held onto the ball and popped right back up is pretty crazy.

I'm surprised he didn't break his right forearm or wrist on that play. Dumervil's helmet drives right into it.

Then remember the spear in the back he took by Ray Lewis when he scored a goal line TD?

 

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I'm surprised he didn't break his right forearm or wrist on that play. Dumervil's helmet drives right into it.
You break bones with leverage, not straight on impact, unless it's a car crash. That's why Alex Smith broke 40 bones in his leg, or because Allen Hurns ankle snapped like a twig, because their legs were wedged against an opposing force.

Brady gets hit straight on in the forearm, but his arm went with the hit, not against it. I'm sure it was bruised, but for a hit like that to break a bone would have to be SOME hit.
 

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You're right Van Everyman that Brady has a great ability to avoid injury, but there's no doubt that rules matter. Think about the play in the Super Bowl when Donald threw Brady to the ground. The ref came over and warned Donald to take it easy or he'd flag him. I can't imagine a ref saying that to Lawrence Taylor as he buries Joe Montana. What they used to be able to do to quarterbacks...well...if Brady was subject to THAT (and he does take some hits), there's a very good chance he'd have missed many more games in his career.

Then again, watch here:


and fast forward to 2:46 and you'll see Brady get absolutely LIT UP and he got back up and kept going. So who knows.
Also, as folks have noted, the size of players has increased, even since the 80s. So, for the "Brady would get killed" crowd, I like to point out that, say, Donald has 50lbs on LT. Odds are he hits with a good bit more force than anything Montana ever experienced.

And, for that matter, Brady has 20 on Montana.
 

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Certainly not as bad as the Buffalo one, but I always thought the hit he took against Denver (Dumervil) was pretty nasty. The fact that he held onto the ball and popped right back up is pretty crazy.

Oooof, gotta block the outside guy Nate!
 

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For reference...

Aaron Rodgers, 2015-2018, ages 32-35:
- 1,274-2,017 (63.2%), 14,366 yds, 112 td, 23 int, 7.1 y/a, 98.2 rating
- 30-24-1 (.555) regular season record
- 3-2 (.600) playoff record
- 1 division title
- 0 NFC championships
- 0 Super Bowl championships
- 3 pro bowls
- 0 all-pro
- 0 MVP

Tom Brady, 2015-2018, ages 38-41:
- 1,453-2,207 (65.8%), 17,256 yds, 125 td, 28 int, 7.8 y/a, 103.1 rating
- 47-13 (.783) regular season record
- 9-2 (.818) playoff record
- 4 division titles
- 3 AFC championships
- 2 Super Bowl championships
- 4 pro bowls
- 1 all-pro
- 1 MVP
 

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These items for Rodgers seem particularly glaring to me given the divisional rivals:

- 1 division title
- 0 NFC championships

I believe GB didn't get a bye the year they won the division.
 
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Last 4 Super Bowls, Tom Brady in the 4th quarter and OT (so one drive longer than a full 4-quarter game):

vs. Sea: 13-15, 124 yds, 2 td, 0 int, 14 points scored
vs. Atl: 21-27, 246 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 25 points scored
vs. Phi: 9-16, 101 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 7 points scored
vs. LAR: 4-5, 67 yds, 0 td, 0 int, 10 points scored

TOT: 47-63 (74.6%), 538 yds (8.5 y/a), 4 td, 0 int, 121.0 rating, 56 points scored, 3 game-winning drives

I mean, those numbers are INSANE. And in the one game where he didn't have a game-winning drive, he DID lead a TD drive to take the lead in the 4th quarter (which brought them back from 12 points down earlier in the game), only to see the defense give it back.
 
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Not sure which thread to put this in, but the record for most QB-to-TE touchdown passes is held by Brady to Gronk. They passed Rivers to Gates.

Brady to Gronkowski stand at 92. That's 92 scores in 67 games (including playoffs), and during those games the Pats went 57-10 (.851). Brady to Gronk TDs occurred in 67 games out of 131 total (51.1%).

Rivers to Gates stand at 90. 90 scores in 73 games, and during those games the Chargers went 39-34 (.534). Rivers to Gates TDs occurred in 73 games out of 192 total (38.0%).

So in more than half of the games Gronk and Brady played together, Brady threw a TD pass to Gronk, while in 38% of the games Gates and Rivers played together, Rivers threw a TD pass to Gates.

Gronk....was a frigging scoring machine. Brady-to-Gronk: Greatest QB-to-TE combo touchdown combination in NFL history.
 

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I get 91: 79 regular plus 12 playoffs. He was credited with a rushing TD in 2011.
Heh, I remember this one. Gronk deliberately didn't spike this ball because he initially believed it was a receiving TD, one that at the time would've broken the record for most by a TE as rationale, as was the buzz around the Blade at the time. Later he stated he regretted not spiking, when asked if he had known if it was counted as a 2 yard rushing TD rather than the record breaker.
 

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