2018 Olympic Hockey Tournament

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Angry Pissbum
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USA should have taken all the great college players. Would be a much better team
Someone has seen Miracle a few too many times, methinks.
I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days, and while I do think people tend to underestimate the gap between college and pros, the US really could benefit from a few more high skill guys. You telling me Middelstadt or Bellows or Tkachuk wouldn't be helpful on the top 6? Or a kid like Yamamoto on the big ice? I think they could have balanced a bit better...there's a reason that Butler is in the AHL or Little is in Swizterland, etc.
 

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I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days, and while I do think people tend to underestimate the gap between college and pros, the US really could benefit from a few more high skill guys. You telling me Middelstadt or Bellows or Tkachuk wouldn't be helpful on the top 6? Or a kid like Yamamoto on the big ice? I think they could have balanced a bit better...there's a reason that Butler is in the AHL or Little is in Swizterland, etc.
Taking Middlestadt and Tkachuk would have been much better than taking some of the players they took. Adam Gaudette of Northeastern would have been worthy too. Quinn Hughes of Michigan is a likely top 10 pick if not top 5 should have been selected as well.
 

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Yeah, I come down on they could use more skilled college players. I don’t know where the goals are going to come from with the existing roster. Through 2 games at least, the 3 college kids seem to be their best players. Maybe a Mittelstadt or Gaudette would help the goal scoring.
 

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Heh, I read that as "all college players" instead of "all the great" so I actually agree with that POV.
Yep, that was the same mistake I made - I thought the initial argument was in favor of fielding a whole team of college players. There are a lot of journeymen professionals on the USA roster; in fairness, that's true of every other team in the competition as well with the exception of the Russian team (which basically consists of most of the best players in the second-best league in the world, many of whom have chosen to stay or return there rather than journey to North America), but another 3-4 younger players with more potential and raw skill wouldn't have gone amiss.
 

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Russian women score a shorthanded goal down 5-on-3. Is that a "double shortie"? I've never seen it before.
 

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Wow, Canada needs a goal in the shootout to tie and the skater beats the Czech goalie 5-hole and catches solid iron for the Czech win.
 

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The talent disparity is on display. Greenway and Donato are the best players for the US again.

Also, I’ve decided that the larger ice surface sucks.
 

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I can't believe this is still 1-0. Total domination by Russia. What was that, a minute and half delayed penalty before it was whistled?
 

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I can't believe this is still 1-0. Total domination by Russia. What was that, a minute and half delayed penalty before it was whistled?
Pretty close to it. But I don’t know why the whistle wasn’t blown after they cleared that loose luck from the crease.
 

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They haven’t scored a 5x5 goal since the 2nd period of the Slovenia game, 6+ periods ago.

Starting to push now, but hard to see goals coming.
 

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This team could be so much better if they had taken the following players

Casey Mittelstadt (F) U of Minnesota 1st round pick
Joshua Norris (F) U of Michigan 1st round pick
Quinn Hughes (D) U of Michigan Will be a 1st round pick
Adam Fox (D) Harvard 2016-17 ECAC rookie of the year
Brady Thachuk (F) BU Will be top 5 pick
Jake Oettinger (G) BU 1st round pick
Ryan Poehling (F) St. Cloud State 1st round pick
Trent Federic (F) Wisconsin 1st round pick
Riley Tufte (F) Duluth 2016 1st round pick


If they wanted to take some major junior guys as well they could have taken Kiefer Bellows, Max Jones, Kailer Yamamoto.

There were so many younger, faster talented players than some of the guys they took and I am probably missing a few as well.
 

TheRealness

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This team could be so much better if they had taken the following players

Casey Mittelstadt (F) U of Minnesota 1st round pick
Joshua Norris (F) U of Michigan 1st round pick
Quinn Hughes (D) U of Michigan Will be a 1st round pick
Adam Fox (D) Harvard 2016-17 ECAC rookie of the year
Brady Thachuk (F) BU Will be top 5 pick
Jake Oettinger (G) BU 1st round pick
Ryan Poehling (F) St. Cloud State 1st round pick
Trent Federic (F) Wisconsin 1st round pick
Riley Tufte (F) Duluth 2016 1st round pick


If they wanted to take some major junior guys as well they could have taken Kiefer Bellows, Max Jones, Kailer Yamamoto.

There were so many younger, faster talented players than some of the guys they took and I am probably missing a few as well.
Mittlestat, Tkachuck and Fox should really be on the team. Oettinger is overrated but can’t argue him since Zapolski has been really shaky. Rest of them I don’t see them making a big difference.

Still, if Zapolski makes two saves and Gionta remembers how to hit an open net and the US is leading 2-1.

Edit - And Bellows. He would help as well. Forgot to list him.
 
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TheRealness

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Can't let Kovy walk in like that.

Russians still big favorites. The US will have to run the gauntlet. Let's hope they get a slot that isn't at 240am.
 

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Yeah, that's fair. It's not like the US isn't getting chances, it's just they haven't finished them and the Russians have. I would agree that's likely a talent thing, but the Russian defense is not intimidating and I could see them getting beat by a number of teams.

They are the favorites, but not in the way Canada has felt in the past where I thought teams needed to get a littl lucky to beat them. These Russians may be 1:1 favorites, but I would take the field. Still think this tournament is wide open.
 

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Can't let Kovy walk in like that.

Russians still big favorites. The US will have to run the gauntlet. Let's hope they get a slot that isn't at 240am.
There is no doubt that the \Russians are the favourites and have the best team on paper but you don't have to be better than them in a 7 game series or even in a best of three. You just have to be better or luckier for 2 hours when you play them. That is the special thing about a tournament that will become a single game elimination very soon.
 

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The Russians can do things like “lose to Slovakia” on any given day so yeah, anyone can win this. They’ll still be the favorites in every game.

Thinking more on the college/young players thing. I guess I can’t fault the US too much since the rest of the world didn’t really do that. Canada didn’t use college or CHL players. Sweden brought Dahlin along but healthy scratched him once and then played him less that 5 minutes in their second game. They also left their high end NHL prospects that are playing in European leagues at home. Ditto for Finland. It’s like everyone agreed to make it a glorified mens league tournament.