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Blown achilles are no joke. I wouldn't touch Cousins with your dick.
 
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Ed Hillel

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LeBron is going there, so even a combination of LeBron/Boogie/Ingram/Ball/Kuzma gives them a shot to win the West, then they add a max next year and become favorites the next 3 years probably. Could be worse. Or they get Pop to blink and add Leonard.
 

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LeBron is going there, so even a combination of LeBron/Boogie/Ingram/Ball/Kuzma gives them a shot to win the West, then they add a max next year and become favorites the next 3 years probably. Could be worse. Or they get Pop to blink and add Leonard.
LeBron is already 18th all time in minutes played, which doesn't include playoffs (where he has to be the all time leader on a per-year basis, he's no sure bet to still be LeBron in 3 years. Tom Brady has kept it up, but he's the exception.
 

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LeBron is already 18th all time in minutes played, which doesn't include playoffs (where he has to be the all time leader on a per-year basis, he's no sure bet to still be LeBron in 3 years. Tom Brady has kept it up, but he's the exception.
LeBron has improved pretty much each year since he entered the league and continues to do so with his numbers up across the board. I'd be surprised if he isn't essentially the same player over the next 3-4 years as he is today. You can't compare technology in training, nutrition, etc to that of years ago...….or compare LeBron's preparation to continue playing with other players just as you can't effectively do so with Brady, Kobe, and others who fully commit their life to preparing their bodies to compete.
 

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LeBron is going there, so even a combination of LeBron/Boogie/Ingram/Ball/Kuzma gives them a shot to win the West, then they add a max next year and become favorites the next 3 years probably. Could be worse. Or they get Pop to blink and add Leonard.
If they do the former, is there a cap path to them adding Leonard in 19-20?
 

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LeBron has improved pretty much each year since he entered the league and continues to do so with his numbers up across the board. I'd be surprised if he isn't essentially the same player over the next 3-4 years as he is today. You can't compare technology in training, nutrition, etc to that of years ago...….or compare LeBron's preparation to continue playing with other players just as you can't effectively do so with Brady, Kobe, and others who fully commit their life to preparing their bodies to compete.
You mention Kobe. LeBron will be 34 next year; Kobe had his last great season at 34. If 2021 LeBron is the same player he is today, he will be doing something that is near unprecedented; the only guys I can find who played at a high level at that age are Duncan and Kareem, who were much different players than LeBron. Maybe he can do it, but I'd say the odds are against him. Father Time remains undefeated.
 

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You mention Kobe. LeBron will be 34 next year; Kobe had his last great season at 34. If 2021 LeBron is the same player he is today, he will be doing something that is near unprecedented; the only guys I can find who played at a high level at that age are Duncan and Kareem, who were much different players than LeBron. Maybe he can do it, but I'd say the odds are against him. Father Time remains undefeated.
There hasn't been a player ever like LeBron. He's never had a major injury(Kobe tore his Achilles) and his combo of size and strength has allowed himself to take on all the mileage he has.
 

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If they do the former, is there a cap path to them adding Leonard in 19-20?
Oh geez, I thought Deng was done after this season. He has two left lol, so maybe not. It would need to be a Godfather offer for a team to take Deng, but the problem is then Ingram and Ball probably have less value because they are closer to free agency. So, yeah, they might need this to work out with Kawhi (or someone else) this season.
 

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LeBron has improved pretty much each year since he entered the league and continues to do so with his numbers up across the board. I'd be surprised if he isn't essentially the same player over the next 3-4 years as he is today. You can't compare technology in training, nutrition, etc to that of years ago...….or compare LeBron's preparation to continue playing with other players just as you can't effectively do so with Brady, Kobe, and others who fully commit their life to preparing their bodies to compete.
Yeah, I think Lebron will have a career arc like Karl Malone* -- he pays a ton of attention to his body and he conserves himself during games which presumably extends to practice.

*Minus the child molesting part
 

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There hasn't been a player ever like LeBron. He's never had a major injury(Kobe tore his Achilles) and his combo of size and strength has allowed himself to take on all the mileage he has.

You may be right. But it's foolish to expect little to no decline in the next 3 years.
 

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Before he figures out those conundra, he should figure out why the CARMELO system that he's still apparently happy with (per his recent comments) had the Warriors as a 4% title shot entering the playoffs.
 

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Before he figures out those conundra, he should figure out why the CARMELO system that he's still apparently happy with (per his recent comments) had the Warriors as a 4% title shot entering the playoffs.
Actually, he addresses the system’s playoff weakness here. In summary, he concludes that it’s due to what we already knew and discussed here - the system doesn’t account for depth chart changes due to things such as injury (e.g. Curry).
 

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Actually, he addresses the system’s playoff weakness here. In summary, he concludes that it’s due to what we already knew and discussed here - the system doesn’t account for depth chart changes due to things such as injury (e.g. Curry).
All I'm hearing is excuses. If he's got a system that doesn't account for injuries and is also a system which had the Warriors at a 4% chance to win the title, it's a broken system.
 

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All I'm hearing is excuses. If he's got a system that doesn't account for injuries and is also a system which had the Warriors at a 4% chance to win the title, it's a broken system.
No argument there. And I’d actually go further and say that anyone with half a brain could have seen this as a major flaw and predicted bad outcomes eventually.

But I was responding to someone who said that Silver was happy with the results of that system, when he clearly isn’t.
 

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Things just got a lot tougher for the Lakers on the trade front. Apparently Lonzo Ball has a torn meniscus. Bigger question is whether or not Lavar is behind the injury to ensure he stays in LA!!
 

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Paul George is discussing his FA journey with DWade. According to this article, the most important thing is "winning a championship."

So let's see - does he have a better chance in OKC with Melo and Westbrook and the rest of the gang or in LA with LeBron and virtually any other 10 NBA players they can find?
 

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Paul George is discussing his FA journey with DWade. According to this article, the most important thing is "winning a championship."

So let's see - does he have a better chance in OKC with Melo and Westbrook and the rest of the gang or in LA with LeBron and virtually any other 10 NBA players they can find?
LA. The Thunder have no realistic pathway to a championship. Lebron always has one.
 

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No argument there. And I’d actually go further and say that anyone with half a brain could have seen this as a major flaw and predicted bad outcomes eventually.

But I was responding to someone who said that Silver was happy with the results of that system, when he clearly isn’t.
Not to get too in the weeds, but CARM-ELO is fundamentally flawed simply by being an ELO based system. This has inherent weaknesses relative to other team-rating systems like SRS (a regression essentially), the most notable of which is that ELO always overweights recent results relative to older results, and is prone to huge fluctuations, essentially because of this:



That's a true talent 95 win team's W% (observed), along with how an SRS model would rate them (regression), and how Elo would rate them. Elo just has huge wild swings, thinking at various points that this team was much better or much worse than 95-win talent, even after thousands of games in the sample.
 

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Seems like a non issue yeah? The injury type seems relatively minor compared to ACL or other types of leg/knee problems.
Short term yes, but long term it could be bad, depending on the extent of the damage. If the tear is repairable or they only need to take a small part of it out, then he should be fine. If a large part needs to get removed he could be looking at a short career. I had a decent chunk of my meniscus taken out at 22 and had osteoarthritis at 24 and was done with sports that required running and/or jumping. ACLs are relatively easy to fix and common surgeries at this point. The rehab and recovery are significantly longer post op for an ACL, but the lack of blood flow into cartilage makes the meniscus harder to “fix” so it can be the beginning of the end for sports.
 

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Short term yes, but long term it could be bad, depending on the extent of the damage. If the tear is repairable or they only need to take a small part of it out, then he should be fine. If a large part needs to get removed he could be looking at a short career. I had a decent chunk of my meniscus taken out at 22 and had osteoarthritis at 24 and was done with sports that required running and/or jumping. ACLs are relatively easy to fix and common surgeries at this point. The rehab and recovery are significantly longer post op for an ACL, but the lack of blood flow into cartilage makes the meniscus harder to “fix” so it can be the beginning of the end for sports.
Yup. It can sometimes be a tricky injury. Troy Bell tore his meniscus and it basically sapped his athleticism.
 

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Windhorst said on PTI that no decision will be made before Lebron meets with the Lakers next week.

So everyone can stop refreshing the page this weekend,
 

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Short term yes, but long term it could be bad, depending on the extent of the damage. If the tear is repairable or they only need to take a small part of it out, then he should be fine. If a large part needs to get removed he could be looking at a short career. I had a decent chunk of my meniscus taken out at 22 and had osteoarthritis at 24 and was done with sports that required running and/or jumping. ACLs are relatively easy to fix and common surgeries at this point. The rehab and recovery are significantly longer post op for an ACL, but the lack of blood flow into cartilage makes the meniscus harder to “fix” so it can be the beginning of the end for sports.
Shit.
 

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Blazers aren't tendering qualifying offer to Pat Connaughton making him an UFA.

This kid really should have stuck to baseball.