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I hadn't realized Caruso was 6'-5". I guess the lack of hair made him look short? Now I kinda covet him the role of Shaun Livingston (who's been making some noises about retirement after this season).
 

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He'll triple his comp if he hits the gym all Summer, goes full Kojak, and grows a goatee.

Male pattern baldness saddens everyone :(

or Alex could go in this direction...


 

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Congrats to Ken Mauer!

The Warriors presented Nick Young with his Championship Ring prior to last nights game. As the ceremony was spilling over due to YOUNG carrying on waving to the crowd, hugging old teammates, etc...….Mauer assessed the Warriors with a Delay of Game Violation for the actions of a player no longer associated with the team! The NBA.....it's FAN-Tastic!!!
 

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Collin Sexton's last 27 games: 35.3 minutes, .473/.435/.827, 21.4 points, 3.0 assists, 2.8 rebounds, 0.6 steals. Up to .430/.411/.841, 16.7 points, 2.9 assists, 2.9 rebounds for the year. He turned 20 in January. The Cavs were probably disappointed landing the 8th pick but Sexton could end up being really good, especially if his play making develops. Collin has the tools to play defense too. Kinda reminds me of Ben Gordon or even Eric Gordon pre injury.

SGA's last 18: 29.7 minutes, .531/.512/.780, 14.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.4 steals

Mitchell Robinson's last 27: 23.9 minutes, .699/---/.658 9.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 3.1 blocks, 0.9 steals. Easily the steal of the draft, at least in the early going.

Trae Young's last 57 games: 31.5 minutes, .435/.357/.829, 20.5 points, 8.2 assists, 4.0 rebounds, 3.8 Turnovers

Doncic's last 28: 32.3, .414/.268/.682, 22.6 points, 9.2 rebounds, 7.1 assists, 3.7 turnovers.

Young for the year: 30.9 minutes, .419/.326/.826, 19.1 points, 3.7 rebounds, 8.0 assists, 0.9 steals, 3.8 TO Atlanta is 29-51.
Doncic for the year: 32.2 minutes, .427/.326/.711, 21.2 points, 7.7 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 1.0 steals, 3.4 TO Dallas is 31-48.

I know others have mentioned it, but the ROY vote should be closer than it will end up being. This class was so ridiculously amazing. Last year's draft was really good too, although I don't think it compares to this class. Outside of Tatum and Fox, the top talent came outside of the top 5 and a 2017 redraft would look completely different than the actual draft. The top 5 would probably be Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Lauri and John Collins. A 2018 redraft would have the top 5 players still being the first 5 picked (maybe not in order) and the lottery picks remaining mostly the same with the one difference being Mitchell Robinson. The NBA has been infused with a lot of talent the last 2 years.
 

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Paul Pierce has been the top trending topic on Twitter for almost 24 hours because of his Wade comments. Pierce is way better than the average online fan thinks of him but not as good as he remembers himself.

I anticipated that his reputation would fade because he didn't play a lot of marquee games in his prime, he was a Kobe rival, and his highlights aren't as flashy as Kobe, T-Mac, Wade, and Vince.
 

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Paul Pierce has been the top trending topic on Twitter for almost 24 hours because of his Wade comments. Pierce is way better than the average online fan thinks of him but not as good as he remembers himself.

I anticipated that his reputation would fade because he didn't play a lot of marquee games in his prime, he was a Kobe rival, and his highlights aren't as flashy as Kobe, T-Mac, Wade, and Vince.
Are we just saying dunking? Kobe..ok, Wade.. ok..Vince carter and TMac ? PP has an nba title and to me those last two just aren’t comparable. Also, if Pierce had had Shaq instead of Antoine? I do think he’s right.. even as it was if Perkins hadn’t got hurt or the end of game seven been called fairly or the heat not been given 45 free throws or Rondo had his elbow injured he could have had one or two more. I think you may even be forgetting how good he was in his prime.
 

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Collin Sexton's last 27 games: 35.3 minutes, .473/.435/.827, 21.4 points, 3.0 assists, 2.8 rebounds, 0.6 steals. Up to .430/.411/.841, 16.7 points, 2.9 assists, 2.9 rebounds for the year. He turned 20 in January. The Cavs were probably disappointed landing the 8th pick but Sexton could end up being really good, especially if his play making develops. Collin has the tools to play defense too. Kinda reminds me of Ben Gordon or even Eric Gordon pre injury.
There's been some debate on Sexton on Twitter, I can't remember who so I I can't find the tweets to link, but to summarize the doubters: His advanced numbers are very, very bad (second worst among qualifieds in both RPM and PIPM, behind Kevin Knox) despite shooting very (and likely unsustainably) well from three this year.

While there's definitely reasons to take bad RPM and PIPM numbers for young rookies on bad teams with a significant grain of salt, Sexton has two big red flags. The first you alluded to- he's a very poor passer. Assist% = 14.9. Here's a list of all guards with a Usage% > 25, and an Assist% < 15:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ast_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=15&c2stat=usg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=25&order_by=ws

Virtually none of the other guys are lead guards. If he's going to distribute like Buddy Hield and CJ McCollum, he'd better shoot like them too. Even with his impressive numbers from downtown this year, he's still only at 52% TS.

The other issue is his really low steal rate. His Steal% is 0.8%. Here's a list of all guards with Steal% < 1%:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&qual=pts_per_g_req&c1stat=stl_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=1&order_by=ws

It's basically Nash, Parker and a bunch of spot-up shooters.

He'll obviously improve. His shot has been much better than expected, and he's already shown he can fill it up, but the lack of assists and steals point to concerns about his decision-making/court awareness. Ben Gordon is a pretty good comp, looking at his numbers, but if feels like most people are (or were) projecting him as a lead guard (there were a bunch of De'Aaron Fox comps, who was at Ast% = 24.6 and Steal% = 1.7 in his rookie season, for comparison) and he's have to do a ton of developing to get him there. It may be a matter of expectations skewing my view though- if I had viewed him as a shooting guard going into the season, I might be rosier on his outlook.
 

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Are we just saying dunking? Kobe..ok, Wade.. ok..Vince carter and TMac ? PP has an nba title and to me those last two just aren’t comparable. Also, if Pierce had had Shaq instead of Antoine? I do think he’s right.. even as it was if Perkins hadn’t got hurt or the end of game seven been called fairly or the heat not been given 45 free throws or Rondo had his elbow injured he could have had one or two more. I think you may even be forgetting how good he was in his prime.
Maybe if PP dislocates Wade's elbow rather than Wade dislocating Rondo's...we might remember things differently... I'm glad Doc gave Wade kudos though, that was awesome.

That dude is such a dirty piece of shit. He's nowhere near PP. He 100% intentionally hurt Rondo and Rondo still almost beat them with one arm. He's a clown.
 

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Are we just saying dunking? Kobe..ok, Wade.. ok..Vince carter and TMac ? PP has an nba title and to me those last two just aren’t comparable. Also, if Pierce had had Shaq instead of Antoine? I do think he’s right.. even as it was if Perkins hadn’t got hurt or the end of game seven been called fairly or the heat not been given 45 free throws or Rondo had his elbow injured he could have had one or two more. I think you may even be forgetting how good he was in his prime.
PP wasn't anywhere on the same spectrum of talent as McGrady. He's more accomplished, had the better career, etc. But to classify Tmac as a "dunker" is a damm embarrassment. He was more talented than any of his peers during his era, Kobe included.
 

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Maybe if PP dislocates Wade's elbow rather than Wade dislocating Rondo's...we might remember things differently... I'm glad Doc gave Wade kudos though, that was awesome.

That dude is such a dirty piece of shit. He's nowhere near PP. He 100% intentionally hurt Rondo and Rondo still almost beat them with one arm. He's a clown.
I have no idea why Wade hasn't been called out more for his blatant attempts to injure other players by other players or ex-players. That stuff should be on video repeat. Wade should have played in the 80s when what he's done was more typical..and could have received the same in return. Imagine McHale clotheslining him as he comedown the lane.. now there's a video game idea.
 
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PP wasn't anywhere on the same spectrum of talent as McGrady. He's more accomplished, had the better career, etc. But to classify Tmac as a "dunker" is a damm embarrassment. He was more talented than any of his peers during his era, Kobe included.
yeah.. I was being unfair, but when we talk highlights.. do you remember any McGrady highlights off the top of your head?

I also admit that my memory is failing and I recall more Pierce highlights only because I follow the C's.

edit: I just watched some highlights on youtube and apparently they seem to mainly concentrate on dunks for all. McGrady is far more athletic. What I've always liked about Pierce is although he seemed a little less athletically gifted he made the absolute most out of his talent.
 
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I think it’s trending because Wade’s wife, Gabrielle Union, made a stink about it.
 

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yeah.. I was being unfair, but when we talk highlights.. do you remember any McGrady highlights off the top of your head?

I also admit that my memory is failing and I recall more Pierce highlights only because I follow the C's.

edit: I just watched some highlights on youtube and apparently they seem to mainly concentrate on dunks for all. McGrady is far more athletic. What I've always liked about Pierce is although he seemed a little less athletically gifted he made the absolute most out of his talent.

Three memories come immediately to mind, only one of which is a dunk:




It all depends on how you view prime vs longevity. McGrady undoubtedly was stronger in his prime (McGrady made 1st or 2nd team all NBA 5 times to just once for Pierce, and McGrady had 6 top ten finishes in MVP voting to again just one for Pierce), but Pierce's far longer career (400 more games) and postseason success (by my count Pierce won 15 playoff series, all but the last as a top 3 piece. McGrady won exactly one playoff series, in his 12th season) certainly draw him even. McGrady's career is sadly defined by bad luck injuries (Grant Hill's ankle, Yao Ming's feet, his own back), but he was neck and neck with Kobe for best wing in the league for 5-6 years until LeBron really blossomed. That's rarified air that Pierce just never got to.
 

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I think it’s trending because Wade’s wife, Gabrielle Union, made a stink about it.
It exploded pretty quickly on Instagram as soon as Pierce made the soundbite.

Great post, Euclis. Vince has the highlights but Pierce was the better player, McGrady was on another level before he got hurt though.

I think the Pierce and Wade debate is closer than most average fans. Their primes are comparable, neither have an MVP season, and I think Pierce is correct that if you swap circumstances and give him Shaq early and Lebron+Bosh late he could very well have more than Wade's 3 rings.

Does anyone else specifically remember never being worried about Wade taking the last shot? Especially when it was likely/needed to be a 3? (He is a career .292 from deep) Moreso in the later years, but he just never struck fear into me there.
 

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It exploded pretty quickly on Instagram as soon as Pierce made the soundbite.

Great post, Euclis. Vince has the highlights but Pierce was the better player, McGrady was on another level before he got hurt though.

I think the Pierce and Wade debate is closer than most average fans. Their primes are comparable, neither have an MVP season, and I think Pierce is correct that if you swap circumstances and give him Shaq early and Lebron+Bosh late he could very well have more than Wade's 3 rings.

Does anyone else specifically remember never being worried about Wade taking the last shot? Especially when it was likely/needed to be a 3? (He is a career .292 from deep) Moreso in the later years, but he just never struck fear into me there.
How many more open threes would Pierce would have had if he’d had Shaq or LeBron on his team? It’s hard for me to see past my hate for Wade and the shear amount of undeserved foul calls he’s received over various playoff series (Vs. the Mavericks for instance). I feel like he’s been shoved down the nba fan’s throats while Pierce was willing some mediocre teams into the playoffs for most of his prime and getting a bit overlooked. I think Pierce is the better overall player, but I also know I’m 100% biased.
 

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I have no idea why Wade hasn't been called out more for his blatant attempts to injure other players by other players or ex-players. That stuff should be on video repeat. Wade should have played in the 80s when what he's done was more typical..and could have received the same in return. Imagine McHale clotheslining him as he comedown the lane.. now there's a video game idea.
This post rules.

Wade getting a pass for his dirty antics is classic NBA revisionist history. That said, most of the players seem to love him but maybe its because of all of his success.

Wade was undeniably great (I ride or die for the Truth as he is one of my favorite athletes ever) which makes his filthy play all the more infuriating. Good for Pierce in tweaking him - PP had his flaws but unlike Wade, he wasn't out to maim other guys.
 

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Three memories come immediately to mind, only one of which is a dunk:




It all depends on how you view prime vs longevity. McGrady undoubtedly was stronger in his prime (McGrady made 1st or 2nd team all NBA 5 times to just once for Pierce, and McGrady had 6 top ten finishes in MVP voting to again just one for Pierce), but Pierce's far longer career (400 more games) and postseason success (by my count Pierce won 15 playoff series, all but the last as a top 3 piece. McGrady won exactly one playoff series, in his 12th season) certainly draw him even. McGrady's career is sadly defined by bad luck injuries (Grant Hill's ankle, Yao Ming's feet, his own back), but he was neck and neck with Kobe for best wing in the league for 5-6 years until LeBron really blossomed. That's rarified air that Pierce just never got to.
Pierce’s teams also had a bunch of bad luck injuries, but McGrady himself def had a lot of bad luck in the injury dept.

I feel like Pierce had a more old school game, with a lot of head fakes and such whereas McGrady would straight up dunk on you.

I’ll be interested to see some stats between the two.
 

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This post rules.

Wade getting a pass for his dirty antics is classic NBA revisionist history. That said, most of the players seem to love him but maybe its because of all of his success.

Wade was undeniably great (I ride or die for the Truth as he is one of my favorite athletes ever) which makes his filthy play all the more infuriating. Good for Pierce in tweaking him - PP had his flaws but unlike Wade, he wasn't out to maim other guys.

I have no idea how this isn’t shown more often. It’s unlike any dirty play in nba history really.. Collison was super lucky he wasn’t injured. Rondo wasn’t as lucky.

He broke Kobe’s nose in an all star game!
And this gem.


Guy is also fake tough after each on of those... cheap shot artist mofo



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjnT4VYPmRc
 
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Pierce's teams had pretty great injury luck compared to McGrady, who had perhaps the worst luck of all time. He basically averaged 26-6-6 in his prime, and was a role player by 29. He teamed up with Grant Hill, who averaged 22-8-7 from ages 23-27 (making at least 2nd team all NBA each year), then Hill played a total of 47 games from ages 28-31 when he went to Orlando, only making one more all star game for the rest of his career. Then he teamed up with Yao Ming, who was a top 2-3 center when healthy, but missed fewer than 25 games just once in their first four years together (during which McGrady quickly deteriorated). His career is one giant what if, and that's without even getting into what would have happened if Duncan had gone to Orlando:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/when-tim-duncan-almost-changed-nba-history-by-leaving-for-the-magic/

Stats wise, their standard rate stats look pretty similar. Solid edge to Pierce in scoring efficiency (more 3s and more fts, both at a better percentage), solid edge to McGrady in playmaking (more assists and fewer turnovers). Pierce has major edges in counting stats, but McGrady has a major edge in advanced rate stats.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=paul+pierce&player_id1_select=Paul+Pierce&y1=2017&player_id1=piercpa01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=tracy+McGrady&player_id2_select=Tracy+McGrady&y2=2012&player_id2=mcgratr01&idx=players

Any comparison of career stats is going to favor Pierce. From 2001-2005, McGrady averaged 27.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg and 5.3 apg - Pierce never averaged that many points or assists in any single season and he only had that many rebounds twice, let alone averaging all three of those numbers over a five year stretch. Pierce had the better career, but McGrady was the better player.
 

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McGrady >> Wade >> Pierce

Sorry folks, but it is true. No matter how many flagrant fouls you link or how much you hate him, Wade was a damn good basketball player
 

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While being focused on the Celtics I haven't given the 8th seed in the East much thought. But after watching those Wade dirty play clips I want the Heat and Wade out.

Dwayne, Bron and Melo can all go hit the banana boat early this offseason.
 

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There's been some debate on Sexton on Twitter, I can't remember who so I I can't find the tweets to link, but to summarize the doubters: His advanced numbers are very, very bad (second worst among qualifieds in both RPM and PIPM, behind Kevin Knox) despite shooting very (and likely unsustainably) well from three this year.

While there's definitely reasons to take bad RPM and PIPM numbers for young rookies on bad teams with a significant grain of salt, Sexton has two big red flags. The first you alluded to- he's a very poor passer. Assist% = 14.9. Here's a list of all guards with a Usage% > 25, and an Assist% < 15:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ast_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=15&c2stat=usg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=25&order_by=ws

Virtually none of the other guys are lead guards. If he's going to distribute like Buddy Hield and CJ McCollum, he'd better shoot like them too. Even with his impressive numbers from downtown this year, he's still only at 52% TS.

The other issue is his really low steal rate. His Steal% is 0.8%. Here's a list of all guards with Steal% < 1%:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&qual=pts_per_g_req&c1stat=stl_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=1&order_by=ws

It's basically Nash, Parker and a bunch of spot-up shooters.

He'll obviously improve. His shot has been much better than expected, and he's already shown he can fill it up, but the lack of assists and steals point to concerns about his decision-making/court awareness. Ben Gordon is a pretty good comp, looking at his numbers, but if feels like most people are (or were) projecting him as a lead guard (there were a bunch of De'Aaron Fox comps, who was at Ast% = 24.6 and Steal% = 1.7 in his rookie season, for comparison) and he's have to do a ton of developing to get him there. It may be a matter of expectations skewing my view though- if I had viewed him as a shooting guard going into the season, I might be rosier on his outlook.
If you search Twitter on Sexton BPM you will find some of the posts, including the one below. He also has a terrible DRtg.

It's interesting that on December 12, Sexton has 4th worse BPM of rookies at -5.1; at 2nd worse was Trae Young at -6.0. Currently, Trae Young is at -1.1; Sexton is at -5.0.

 

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Also w.r.t. Sexton, he will likely end up with the worse DRtg of all time at 120.4. No one else is over 119. Teammate Clarkson is 2nd worse at 118.7. Booker's DRtg this season is 4th worse at 117.2.

Here's the full list (minimum 1200 MP). Note that BRef rounds everything up inits search resukts.

http://bkref.com/tiny/epEc4

And since I'm bored, if you search on the rookie with over 1200 MP and the best DTRg, you will get Manu Ginobili, with a DRtg of 98. Bosh is 2nd at 99. The only other rookies under 100 are Drummond, Nene, Noel, and Okur.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Q5UBU
 
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While being focused on the Celtics I haven't given the 8th seed in the East much thought. But after watching those Wade dirty play clips I want the Heat and Wade out.
I'll take a chance on having to play them in the second round instead of the Bucks.
 

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Paul Pierce has been the top trending topic on Twitter for almost 24 hours because of his Wade comments. Pierce is way better than the average online fan thinks of him but not as good as he remembers himself.

I anticipated that his reputation would fade because he didn't play a lot of marquee games in his prime, he was a Kobe rival, and his highlights aren't as flashy as Kobe, T-Mac, Wade, and Vince.
Pierce 19 seasons 19.7 ppg, 6.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists.
Wade 17 seasons, 22 ppg, 4.7 rebounds, 5.4 assists. If Wade plays a couple more hanging around seasons like PP did, his scoring average would dip like Pierce's did.

Is there really any doubt that if Pierce played with a Top 15 all time player like Shaq or Lebron when Pierce was in his mid-20s that he would have at least two more championships? Switch Pierce and Kobe and the Lakers might have even more championships, since Pierce's game would have probably meshed better with Shaq than Kobe's did, and Pierce probably would have been boys with Shaq instead of how the Shaq/Kobe thing blew up. They could have had a sustained run in LA, as opposed to Shaq's vagabond career after the Lakers went with Kobe.

I think Wade had a marginally better career, as he was a bigger star and had more top of the league accolades, but he did benefit from having Shaq and later LeBron with him. Switch them, and Wade could have probably done what Pierce did in the early 2000s without much help on the Celtics, and Pierce could have done what Wade did with the Shaq team and the ("4-5-6"time champions) Wade/LBT/Bosh teams.

BTW, Pierce is no dummy. He gets paid to talk and have people talk about him. This kerfuffle is certainly getting it done.
 

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Wade definitely had a better peak -- those two pre-Lebron seasons were ridiculous -- but Pierce was rock solid for so long and was a horse to boot.

I'd call them about even.
 

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Pierce is getting so destroyed on Twitter & made fun of its ridiculous. I had to stop going on there the slander is so bad. No one talking about how dirty Wade is either like it’s been forgotten. Makes me so mad. He’s my last fav player in nba history.
 

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Wade definitely had a better peak -- those two pre-Lebron seasons were ridiculous -- but Pierce was rock solid for so long and was a horse to boot.

I'd call them about even.
Best case for Pierce is about even imo. Even as a Celtics lifer you have to be ridiculously biased to not acknowledge Wade's greatness while spending the second half of his career playing with a bum knee to boot. Without the Ray Allen trade to lure KG here it wouldn't even be a conversation either so yeah he kinda deserves taking some heat for his comments.
 

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Would be a real shame if we ran the Red Claws out there against Orlando tonight and Washington on Tuesday, given our picks' status...
They should sign some SoSHers. I used to play pick up with Mike Zarren, he knows what I can do.
 

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They should sign some SoSHers. I used to play pick up with Mike Zarren, he knows what I can do.
I just want to see BenHogan on the floor with Aron Baynes at the same time, to hear what he'd be yelling.

"what do you mean, Al Horford has the night off?!", is my guess.
 

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I just want to see BenHogan on the floor with Aron Baynes at the same time, to hear what he'd be yelling.

"what do you mean, Al Horford has the night off?!", is my guess.
more like "should I pick up Morris's man on defense or is it your turn Aron?!"
 

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Anonymous NBA players poll.

Most overrated: Draymond and Westbrook.

Tied for 10th (among others): Kyrie, Tatum, and Semi. With only 47 votes, these guys only got 2 votes, but who the hell would vote for Semi here? Jokic and Klay also got 2 votes.

Jokic? Klay? Okay NBA dudes. Seems like some jealousy in there.

One quick note, though: Semi Ojeleye? Who did he hurt and why would anyone consider him overrated? That anonymous grudge is perhaps more noteworthy—and definitely more funny—than the top of the list.
My guess is those votes came from Milwaukee.
 

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Anonymous NBA players poll.

Most overrated: Draymond and Westbrook.

Tied for 10th (among others): Kyrie, Tatum, and Semi. With only 47 votes, these guys only got 2 votes, but who the hell would vote for Semi here? Jokic and Klay also got 2 votes.

Jokic? Klay? Okay NBA dudes. Seems like some jealousy in there.



My guess is those votes came from Milwaukee.
I strongly agree on Draymond.
I agree on “Regular Season” Kyrie.
I agree on Tatum.
I agree on Jokic.
I agree on Butler, Wiggins,

I strongly DISagree on Klay as I feel he’s held back on this team.
I strongly disagree on Simmons and Harden.
I’m torn on Westbrook since he’s viewed so polarizing.
I have no idea why Semi is even in the conversation but I’d tend to agree since he’s not looking like much of an NBA player.
 

Sam Ray Not

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Spotted on the Thunder fan blog: "how the f*ck can they equate Draymond to Westbrook???"
Spotted on the Warriors fan blog: "how the f*ck can they equate Draymond to Westbrook???"
 

DrewDawg

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I strongly agree on Draymond.
I agree on “Regular Season” Kyrie.
I agree on Tatum.
I agree on Jokic.
I agree on Butler, Wiggins,

I strongly DISagree on Klay as I feel he’s held back on this team.
I strongly disagree on Simmons and Harden.
I’m torn on Westbrook since he’s viewed so polarizing.
I have no idea why Semi is even in the conversation but I’d tend to agree since he’s not looking like much of an NBA player.
You think Jokic is overrated? Interesting.

And if someone thinks Semi is overrated, methinks they aren't looking at the right ratings.
 

HomeRunBaker

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You think Jokic is overrated? Interesting.
It’s a slippery slope because everyone rates players differently. Ive heard more people call Jokic a Top-3, 4, 5, etc player in the league than I’d have expected to hear. He’s obv really good I just don’t have him st that level. He’ll have these playoffs to prove those people right or wrong.......I don’t expect him to play up to those levels at all.

Is Wiggins overrated? I thought everyone realized that he wasn’t good.
I don’t think the average fan realizes how badly his year over year numbers have been.