2018 Draft: Patriots need to re-stock

Marbleheader

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Sep 27, 2004
11,726
The Patriots finally have a first round pick for only the 3rd time in 6 years and the only players they have drafted in the 1st since Hightower was taken in 2012 are Dominique Easley and Malcolm Brown. They need some top-tier talent and have 4 picks in the top 100.

The Patriots do not own their 4th (Eric Rowe trade) or 5th (Cassius Marsh) round pick. However, they are expected to get a 4th round comp pick for Jabaal Sheard and possibly a 7th for Blount. I'm not able to determine if they have their own 7th as they made a couple of deals that involve 7th round picks.

I think it looks like this:

1st Round #31
2nd Round #41
2nd Round #63
3rd Round
4th Round Comp
6th Round
7th Round Comp

I'd like to see them land a CB, LB, OT and QB with their first 4 picks.
 

Reardon's Beard

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 3, 2005
3,795
The whole defense needs help, granted there will be help coming back from injuries. Have to think pass rush and secondary at top of list.

Also need to seriously think about the next kicker for this team. Maybe you make a move, maybe not, but there seems to be a decline underway.

And the whole 'post Brady QB project.'
 

jsinger121

@jsinger121
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
17,676
The Patriots finally have a first round pick for only the 3rd time in 6 years and the only players they have drafted in the 1st since Hightower was taken in 2012 are Dominique Easley and Malcolm Brown. They need some top-tier talent and have 4 picks in the top 100.

The Patriots do not own their 4th (Eric Rowe trade) or 5th (Cassius Marsh) round pick. However, they are expected to get a 4th round comp pick for Jabaal Sheard and possibly a 7th for Blount. I'm not able to determine if they have their own 7th as they made a couple of deals that involve 7th round picks.

I think it looks like this:

1st Round #31
2nd Round #41
2nd Round #63
3rd Round
4th Round Comp
6th Round
7th Round Comp

I'd like to see them land a CB, LB, OT and QB with their first 4 picks.
They traded a 7th as part of the Marsh deal. What a waste of a trade that was. Would be nice to have both of those 2 picks back now despite them being in the bottom of the draft.
 

jsinger121

@jsinger121
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
17,676
Needs

Multi Linebackers
Defensive Line
Quarterback
Cornerback
Tight End
Running Back
 

kenneycb

Hates Goose Island Beer; Loves Backdoor Play
SoSH Member
Dec 2, 2006
16,090
Tuukka's refugee camp
The whole defense needs help, granted there will be help coming back from injuries. Have to think pass rush and secondary at top of list.

Also need to seriously think about the next kicker for this team. Maybe you make a move, maybe not, but there seems to be a decline underway.

And the whole 'post Brady QB project.'
Gostkowski had his third best FG%, missed two XPs all year, and, of his two misses, one was as the half was ending from 53 and one was the awful snap that he still almost made.
 

Ale Xander

Hamilton
SoSH Member
Oct 31, 2013
72,430
Please draft a LB early, a la Mayo.
I'm hoping for something like
OLB/Edge
DL
MLB
CB a la Samuel assuming Butler is gone
QB dev

first 5 picks. Then depends what they do with RB/Allen-Bennett/Cooks for the 6th/7th

A lot of OL/DT types for UFA
 

DeadlySplitter

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 20, 2015
33,247
I'd gamble Brady is still fine for next year and go all-in on defensive help honestly

GFIN but look at what the offense did yesterday. the window is open as long as Brady is able
 

Scriblerus

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 1, 2009
1,442
Boston, MA
If Brady has one good year left before decline, now is the time to go all-in on defense. Shift the dominance from offense to defense over the next few years, so when a new QB is under center the D can carry the team as he develops.
 

Was (Not Wasdin)

family crest has godzilla
SoSH Member
Jul 26, 2007
3,721
The Short Bus
This team needs to restock at a lot of spots, but I'd move TE up the list. I think Gronk comes back next year, but I'm not sure about 2019-a lot of savings if they cut him. If he doesn't take a discount to extend/restructure, I could see them cutting ties before the 2019 season.
 

RG33

Certain Class of Poster
SoSH Member
Nov 28, 2005
7,199
CA
The talk of replacing Ghost is ridiculous.

Even with Hightower and Rivers coming back next year and hopefully contributing, this team needs a lot of help at LB and DE. I would also like to see some CB help and some OL depth.

I think LB, DE, CB, OL should be priorities in the first 4 picks.
 

brandonchristensen

Loves Aaron Judge
SoSH Member
Feb 4, 2012
38,144
Draft a QB at some point. Brady is good for next year. I think his fire will be lit hard as fuck (more than this year even).

He will want 6. And he'll get it.
 

Mooch

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
4,493
I'd be willing to trade up to the 20s if it meant getting a kid like Malik Jefferson from Texas. The Patriots sorely need some speed in the front 7 and Jefferson can make plays from sideline to sideline as well as solid coverage skills. He fits a huge hole in this defense.
 

Reardon's Beard

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 3, 2005
3,795
Gostkowski had his third best FG%, missed two XPs all year, and, of his two misses, one was as the half was ending from 53 and one was the awful snap that he still almost made.
Yeah that's fair. I didn't have the numbers in front of me so hence "think about it" and I suspect they may still do so.
 

soxhop411

news aggravator
SoSH Member
Dec 4, 2009
46,275
Depending on how long BB and Brady are sticking around it wouldn’t shock me to see the pats trade up if there is someone they really want.
 

Saints Rest

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Does anyone know what the deal is with Antonio Garcia? He was 6'-6.25", 302lbs at the combine. Mayock had this to say about him after the draft: "Garcia has starting left tackle traits, but he's a great fit. He plays nasty through the whistle. He's a little grabby in pass protection."
Here was his draft profile on NFL.com.
Here was the thread about him here on SOSH.
But now I'm hearing that he is under 260lbs.
Has anyone heard any rumors ass to what his "non-football injury" was?
 

Captaincoop

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
13,487
Santa Monica, CA
Needs

Multi Linebackers
Defensive Line
Quarterback
Cornerback
Tight End
Running Back
They probably need an offensive tackle as well. They have so many needs right now, it's hard to say where they need to draft help and where there might be affordable FAs that fill holes.

Within the top four picks, they probably will end up needing two guys in the front seven and a cornerback. And making the assumption that Brady has one more year left being Brady, you really need a QB that you believe can be the successor. That's always easy to find...
 

jsinger121

@jsinger121
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
17,676
They probably need an offensive tackle as well. They have so many needs right now, it's hard to say where they need to draft help and where there might be affordable FAs that fill holes.

Within the top four picks, they probably will end up needing two guys in the front seven and a cornerback. And making the assumption that Brady has one more year left being Brady, you really need a QB that you believe can be the successor. That's always easy to find...
This is where trading Jimmy G for just a second round pick hurts. They have multiple needs and needed multiple picks to address these concerns. Also looking back I think the Pats should have just traded Butler straight up for Cooks and kept the 32nd pick.
 

edmunddantes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 28, 2015
4,737
Cali
This is where trading Jimmy G for just a second round pick hurts. They have multiple needs and needed multiple picks to address these concerns. Also looking back I think the Pats should have just traded Butler straight up for Cooks and kept the 32nd pick.
Who was offering multiple picks for 2 and a quarter games Jimmy G?

They couldn't trade Butler at the time. It would have been illegal.
 

Shelterdog

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 19, 2002
15,375
New York City
This is where trading Jimmy G for just a second round pick hurts. They have multiple needs and needed multiple picks to address these concerns. Also looking back I think the Pats should have just traded Butler straight up for Cooks and kept the 32nd pick.
I know they were thinking about some sort of sign and trade with Butler but I'd be absolutely shocked if the Saints would have traded Butler for Cooks straight up.

The Jimmy G contract today actually shows how hard it would be to get good value for Jimmy--we'll never know precisely what was said between Jimmy's agent and other teams but it's pretty clear that Jimmy went to a team that had agreed to give him an absolute monster of a contract and if you're in that position you could just tell every single other team that you don't want to be traded to them.
 

Captaincoop

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
13,487
Santa Monica, CA
This is where trading Jimmy G for just a second round pick hurts. They have multiple needs and needed multiple picks to address these concerns. Also looking back I think the Pats should have just traded Butler straight up for Cooks and kept the 32nd pick.
I would have loved to get twice the value they got for Jimmy G, but presumably Belichick feels the same way and this is what he could get.

This could be a year where they trade down using the first rounder and take a bunch of shots in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
Might be wrong here but I do not think Belichick traditionally likes smaller undersized linebacker bigger safety types. But times change and seeing as our lack of speed in the front 7 here is a guy to consider and he is someone who could be available at 31 (maybe 43 but probably not). Rashaan Evans. He’s a linebacker out of Alabama so he has the Saban connection. He can get to the outside and cover the RB (fast, athletic). Last night I watched him versus Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee, and LSU. Let’s start with a few flaws I saw: When he lined up as an outside pass rusher he didn’t have much success but he has a spin move in his repertoire that is devastating. Unfortunately he doesn’t use it much. He couldn’t finish/missed at least 1-2 tackles a game either. He sometimes struggles shedding blocks especially if engaged with an offensive lineman in the second level. Scouts also commented on his initial slow processing speed. He does hesitate right after the snap when he’s playing the middle of the field and not rushing. He doesn’t bite on play action passes though.

Positives? He’s physical. When he tackles someone there is an audible pop. He’s a violent tackler. He jams receivers, saw this a few times on crossing routes, and can stick to a receiver running up field 20-30 yards. That’s something that our LBs can’t do. He has great anticipating of where the play is going and speed to get there to make a stop. He’s someone who is fantastic against the run. He’s fast so he can get to the edge and defend against the outside runs and toss away receivers trying to block him (watching him toss a receiver blocking him like a rag doll and make a tackle on the outside is not only a good play but humorous too).

To me Evans is a guy who can play on almost every single down. He might not ever materialize as a pass rusher but could be successful as a rotational rusher - he had success lining up in the middle like he was going to drop back in pass coverage and then blitz up the A gap. I could imagine some double A-gap (maybe cross dog) calls where he and Hightower blitz. Evans can cover the RB in wheel routes, cover receivers downfield, and is fast and powerful defending the run.
Again, pretty sure Belichick hasn’t traditionally liked players like Evans but one thing we know about Belichick is that he does adapt and changes over time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Evans is available at 31 if he isn’t the pick.
 

tims4wins

PN23's replacement
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
37,055
Hingham, MA
FWIW McShay current mocks UNC CB MJ Stewart to the Pats at 31

From USA Today:

A stout cover man with a well-rounded skill set, Stewart was one of this year’s biggest winners at Senior Bowl practices. His physical style of play will impress teams who prefer to play press-man coverage, but a deep corner class could make him a bargain in the middle rounds.
 

Leather

given himself a skunk spot
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
28,451
If Brady has one good year left before decline, now is the time to go all-in on defense. Shift the dominance from offense to defense over the next few years, so when a new QB is under center the D can carry the team as he develops.
I think a solid O Line is more important for developing a QB than a good D. All those chances on offense won't mean shit if the QB can't stand up. See, for instance, David Carr.

I'd go LB, S, OL, QB.
 

Shelterdog

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 19, 2002
15,375
New York City
I think a solid O Line is more important for developing a QB than a good D. All those chances on offense won't mean shit if the QB can't stand up. See, for instance, David Carr.

I'd go LB, S, OL, QB.
QB is the tough pick. Given Brady's age and the importance of the position you essentially have to draft the first one you can who you think has a good chance of developing into a strong NFL starter but it's pretty hard to find someone like that in the late first of second, and the chances of finding someone good after the second are vanishingly small
 

EL Jeffe

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 30, 2006
1,314
Good call, SMU - I'm a big Rashaan Evans fan. I don't actually see a lot of daylight between Evans and Roquan Smith, actually. Evans is bigger, Smith is probably a little more instinctive, but Evans would be an excellent pick.

Darius Leonard is a binky of mine. He doesn't fit the typical Patriots physical LB profile (213lbs, he'll obviously bulk up), but he flies around the field, plays with an edge and is basically just an ass-kicker out there. I think he'll be an excellent 2nd round pick for someone.

Jerome Baker is another interesting guy. Another in the Ohios St LB pipeline; a little small (6'1, 225lbs but will put on weight) but he plays sideline to sideline and has advanced coverage skills. Might not be the toughest guy and not very physical taking on blocks, but the Patriots could use his skill-set.
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
Darius Leonard is the next guy I want to look at. He checked in at 6’2’’ and 229 at the senior bowl. Apparently was impressive in coverage. Thanks for the idea.
 

Papelbon's Poutine

Homeland Security
SoSH Member
Dec 4, 2005
19,615
Portsmouth, NH
I know they were thinking about some sort of sign and trade with Butler but I'd be absolutely shocked if the Saints would have traded Butler for Cooks straight up.

The Jimmy G contract today actually shows how hard it would be to get good value for Jimmy--we'll never know precisely what was said between Jimmy's agent and other teams but it's pretty clear that Jimmy went to a team that had agreed to give him an absolute monster of a contract and if you're in that position you could just tell every single other team that you don't want to be traded to them.
Why would we think that Yee was given permission to talk to other teams about what his subsequent contract would look like? Or that he had any sway in where he was traded? Isn’t that part of the definition of tampering?
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
El Jeffe, I only could find two full games of Darius to watch, 2016 vs UCF and 2017 vs NC Central. The good news is he looked great in those games and in senior bowl week.
He takes good angles and with his speed gets there. He routinely stopped outside runs.
He could probably put on another 5-15 pounds and that would help shed blocks better. Leonard is a small school prospect. With Evans we have film from him against top 25 schools. Leonard doesn’t have that.
What blew me away about him is how he would often be responsible for covering someone on one side of the field and could make a tackle for a short gain all the way on the other side. I would be watching and thinking that Leonard wouldn’t end up making a play here because how could he cover that distance? But he did, and often too. I want to know how he tests. I would assume he might be above average in most areas with a very good 40 time. Curious to see the 3-cone.

He can be over-agressive against the run and offenses did take advantage of that. He did make plays near the line of scrimmage getting off of blocks from linemen but that’s an area that he could be more consistent about.

Leonard is someone I wouldn’t expect to come in and immediately contribute. He’d be someone who would play special teams (had a blocked field goal) and learn the ropes and maybe have a small role by the end of the season. But his year 2-4 I think he has the potential to be a starter in either base or nickle (nickle is the new base?) because of his speed and ability to both cover and be effective against the run.
 

Shelterdog

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 19, 2002
15,375
New York City
Why would we think that Yee was given permission to talk to other teams about what his subsequent contract would look like? Or that he had any sway in where he was traded? Isn’t that part of the definition of tampering?
Nobody's giving Yee permission and it could be tampering but so what; you can't stop Yee from calling up GM's and saying "what are the traits that kyle shannahan looks for in a QB? Do they include devlish good looks and an eastern illinois pedigree"?

The Schefters, Glazers, KIngs, etc. of the world say that there's a huge amount of informal communications of this sort. (Which is why historically so many players would sign during minute one of free agency--those deals had to have been worked out in advance).
 

Papelbon's Poutine

Homeland Security
SoSH Member
Dec 4, 2005
19,615
Portsmouth, NH
Ok, but that’s why they put in the ‘legal tampering’ period. The important question that you ignored is why you think BB would give a fuck about that when deciding where to trade him. He’s going to take the best offer he gets.
 

Shelterdog

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 19, 2002
15,375
New York City
Ok, but that’s why they put in the ‘legal tampering’ period. The important question that you ignored is why you think BB would give a fuck about that when deciding where to trade him. He’s going to take the best offer he gets.
How good is Cleveland's offer going to be if Don Yee tells Cleveland that Jimmy's not signing there long term? BB didn't have a lot of leverage in this deal.
 

Rough Carrigan

reasons within Reason
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
How good is Cleveland's offer going to be if Don Yee tells Cleveland that Jimmy's not signing there long term? BB didn't have a lot of leverage in this deal.
Exactly.
Thank you.
The idea that Jimmy was just going to let himself be traded anywhere without trying to influence teams he finds undesirable to not make the trade is ridiculously naive. I listened to a few minutes of talk radio shortly after the trade and this angle was completely missing from the discussion. It was infuriatingly stupid.
 

dcmissle

Deflatigator
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 4, 2005
28,269
There was no smoke around this fire, and if New England does not leak, Cleveland does profusely. Somebody around the Browns breathes, Mary Kay Cabot writes about it.

I have seen nothing that contradicts this account of the trade.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2018/1/5/16856502/patriots-espn-report-bill-belichick-49ers-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo

The fuse on JG was short, Cleveland likely was never offering a 1st because they have never seem inclined to do so and are stingy with their picks, B.B. loves him high second round picks, and it’s nice to have JG in the NFC.

Pats certainly did not maximize JG value — but remember that they never really wanted to part with him. For a late Oct trade, they did ok.
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
I’ve now scouted over 10 linebackers in my “spare time” (that’s laughable) and it has been a fun distraction.

I’m starting to feel the same way about PFF as I do about Football Outsiders. PFF doesn’t adjust for level of competition. They also value production in the college game quite a bit as opposed to traits and skills (not that they ignore those).

PFF just released their pre-combine first round grades. Three linebackers got a first round grade (Roquan Smith, Tremaine Edmunds, and Leighton Vander Esch) and were deemed freak athletes. I agree that both Smith and Edmunds are athletically gifted and first round talent but Leighton Vander Esch? I don’t get the athletic hype and maybe this is because I am very new at this but his tape just didn’t do much for me. Maybe the only public film on him is mediocre? He’s a guy I thought the Pats might look at but more day 2 and later day 2 at that. Pass though at 42 or under. Thought Leonard was much more athletic.
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,014
Oregon
I agree that both Smith and Edmunds are athletically gifted and first round talent but Leighton Vander Esch? I don’t get the athletic hype and maybe this is because I am very new at this but his tape just didn’t do much for me. Maybe the only public film on him is mediocre? He’s a guy I thought the Pats might look at but more day 2 and later day 2 at that. Pass though at 42 or under. Thought Leonard was much more athletic.
Albert Breer today in his mock:

31. New England: Leighton Vander Esch, LB, Boise State
The Patriots need pieces in the front seven, and Vander Esch would give them insurance for Dont’a Hightower, as well as perhaps his eventual replacement.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-josh-allen-giants
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
Not trying to kill the messenger here (obviously not E5's mock draft) but Hightower has around 25-35 pounds on Vander Esch and in 2016-2017 played a different role for the Pats than Vander Esch did at Boise. Vander Esch is basically a one year wonder in terms of time on the field. You have to project him a lot in coverage. I'll watch him again and in particular against Oregon where he had a great bowl game. Also, combine is next week and he's a guy I want to know what his athletic potential is. Evans is another guy where I want to see how he tests because I think he looks more athletic on tape than the current consensus. This is the first time where I will get to compare my own expectations of how guys will perform athletically vs. what happens. I can see how people get really into this. This is fun.

Quick edit: Marcus Davenport top 10 and Josh Allen top 5 are two bandwagons I do not want anything to do with.
 
Last edited:

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
I watched him again. I think this is a time where I am going to change my mind. I believe I had watched Smith and Leonard before switching to Vander Esch. I think this is a lesson learned on binge scouting.

I viewed his tape vs Wyoming (Josh Allen) and Oregon (bowl game). Let me talk about his speed. Against Wyoming I saw him drop into coverage and then pick up a running back running across the middle at full steam. He was hip to hip with him and picked him up right away. Same game he, I think, partially blew his coverage on a wheel route and then catches up to the sprinting back ten yards later. However I have seen him lose foot races with other receivers (vs Virginia) and running backs. That’s somewhat expected though. Curious to see how he tests as he is fluid in motion so he can look like he is gliding at top speed.

Coverage is a skill he has limited experience with. He drops back into zones. He often picks up running backs and he can sniff out and blowup wheel routes. He’s not much of a pass rusher. He can do well against a smaller RB but that’s not saying much. His tape against Oregon was a clinic in stopping the run. His processing speed was great. I didn’t originally watch his tape in any chronological order and when I looked at my notes per game I noticed a pattern. He got better as the season went on.

Against the run he is patient, if he has responsibilities for a gap it is covered. He can also shoot gaps and get into the back field. He often can move blockers and disengage to make a tackle. Sometimes he can be over aggressive shooting downfield. He takes good angles and wraps up his tackles (good instincts). As a middle linebacker he often has to wait for the play to develop and then react - and if it is a run he usually plays it perfectly. There are times when an offensive lineman will muscle him completely out of the play. I think his hand usage also needs improvement especially when engaging with offensive linemen.

I am not sure if he’s going to be ready to play for the Patriots in year one if they draft him because he needs to develop in coverage. He could take over for KVN in year two though and cover RBs and TEs in the future. I do not see him as a round 1 guy but...

I think this draft is light on top end talent but loaded with day 2 talent. That and is an off-ball linebacker worth pick 31? (Depends on who obviously). Is Leighton Vander Esch that guy? I don’t think so. I admit I changed my mind on him but I see him as worthy of the 41/42 discussion but not 31.
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
14,012
Mansfield MA
I hope you guys are following @mascho on the Locked On Patriots Podcast. Today he had on Jon Ledyard (Locked On NFL Draft, NDT Scouting) and they talked edge guys. They seem to think Sam Hubbard of Ohio State is almost a perfect Belichick edge, like Ninkovich with a little more upside. High-motor guy who came in as a safety and polished his game in a short time. He played for Urban Meyer and Greg Schiano. And he was a big-time lacrosse player in high school (originally committed to Notre Dame to play lacrosse before changing his mind). If that doesn't sound like BB's wet dream, I don't know what does.

EDIT: while I'm plugging Mark, I'll throw in a couple lines from Hubbard's scouting report from the upcoming Inside The Pylon Draft Guide, which is going to be even bigger and better than last year's. Whet your appetites a little (our scouts are higher on Hubbard's athleticism than Ledyard is) ...

"Hubbard could play either 1-gapping 4-3 5-T, a LEO, or 3-4 OLB (SAM or WILL) effectively at the next level. ... I think his best fit is as a 3-4 SAM OLB in a Zone blitz heavy scheme, where his ability to set the edge, rush the passer, and stunt could be effectively utilized. His flexibility and explosiveness could be used to disrupt the passing game, while he also possesses the fluidity to drop into man or Zone coverage effectively."
 
Last edited:

Captaincoop

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
13,487
Santa Monica, CA
Albert Breer today in his mock:

31. New England: Leighton Vander Esch, LB, Boise State
The Patriots need pieces in the front seven, and Vander Esch would give them insurance for Dont’a Hightower, as well as perhaps his eventual replacement.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-josh-allen-giants

I don't believe that the universe is going to allow someone with the name Leighton Vander Esch to be a star linebacker in the NFL. On a scale of 1 to Dont'a Hightower, that's a zero.
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,014
Oregon
I don't believe that the universe is going to allow someone with the name Leighton Vander Esch to be a star linebacker in the NFL. On a scale of 1 to Dont'a Hightower, that's a zero.
He'd pair with Kyle Van Noy
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
Excited about the ITP draft guide.

Free agency and possible extensions will change this but I think the Pats might target a guard who can possibly play tackle this year in the draft. Mason will be a UFA in 2019 and Thuney is 2020. Pats picked them up in the 4th and 3rd round respectively.
Saw this on NDT Scouting about Austin Corbett:

Traits that stood out:

His powerful hands
The body count Corbett logged against the Irish in 2016 was, simply put, outstanding. Corbett consistently played with violence and intent with his hands, which allowed him to overwhelm rushers.

Corbett’s success with his hands isn’t just predicated around the snatch move, either. These hands are in constant motion, looking to establish that desired grasp.
He can get to the second level and clear out linebackers.

He is mean/nasty and plays that way. He finishes every block even after the whistle. Lots of shoving and chirping after.

Overall Crabbs summary:
Corbett projects best as a Guard at the NFL level. Here’s a good illustration of what life is going to look like for him in the run game inside. There’s natural quickness in his feet, but it’s illustrated consistently going forward, which cannot be said for when he’s in his pass set as a Left Tackle. The solution is to plug him at Left Guard and let him combo block his way into the nightmares of LBs across the league.

Overall, Austin Corbett scored out very well in my film assessment. He has great size for the interior and I expect him to test well at the Combine. He is a three year captain and started 48 games for the Nevada Wolfpack, including games against Texas A&M (Myles Garrett), Notre Dame, Northwestern, Washington State and Arizona State going back to 2014.

We know he can hold his own against this year’s class thanks to a strong performance at the Senior Bowl as well. I’m expecting him to land on my big board in the same range as my comparison for him, Forrest Lamp (45th overall in 2017). This is a day one starter in the NFL and can realistically play in gap/power or inside/outside zone systems.
6'4'' 310.
 

maj0915

New Member
Nov 2, 2013
2
I think it's a good idea to bring in a swing reserve on the interior of the offensive line, possibly around the third round. Personally, I'd be a little bit disappointed if the Patriots wanted to move on from Joe Thuney and/or Shaq Mason, as both of them have been solid in my opinion. However, if anyone goes down on the inside, we don't really have any depth to speak of, so a third or fourth-rounder makes sense as an investment there. Let's get someone in for Dante Scarnecchia to develop before he retires.
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
14,012
Mansfield MA
They seem to like Karras and he's been fine when he's had to play. I'm always on board for adding a G/T hybrid guy though. Corbett sounds a little like another Nevada lineman, Joel Bitonio, a draft binkie of mine from a few years back.
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
8,878
Dallas
Just spitballing a hot take here. Going to raise this up the old flag pole and see if anyone salutes.
Even with cuts and 43M in cap space they have a lot of holes to fill. The Patriots do not typically draft for need but they are going to be bargain shopping for some positions. Day 2 of the draft guys have longer contracts than day 3 guys and UDFAs and are cheap. I’m jumping the gun a bit with my free agency expectations and might be pessimistic about that too. Seems to be more likely the case the Patriots rely more on guys they draft for frequent situational roles.There are day two slot receivers and receiving tight ends who could play a limited role day one. The same could be said for some off-ball linebackers and defensive backs.
Thinking about this draft pre-combine and I see it being light on first round talent but with lots of day two and early day 3 guys. I remember the trade with the Vikings where we got their 2, 3, 4, and 7. That kind of magic probably won’t happen again but using drafteks draft value chart a depending on the team a combination of some or all of these may be fair for 31: always a 2, 3, and either 4 or 5. If you can do that trade this year do it because we are thin, aging, or unproven all over the roster by 2019 and that’s the sweet spot I think.
Let’s say they pulled off a 2 and a 3. Three 2s, two 3s, and a 4th in this draft would let you add depth to six positions and would help replenish the roster.