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Can sacto even get into the top 3? 5 and 10 to Philly? They can probably still get Monk at 5. Then hope Danny is really interested in trading down? 3 plus hield plus swap rights next year? I got nothing. Just randomly guessing what might be thinking?
 

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According to Jay King, Fultz is going to work out for Sacramento. Anyone else think this is odd?
This is the type of shit 18-year old kids do when they are calling their own shots rather than signing with the agents who control player movement in this league. For those ready to write "But look at Jaylen"........yes, it worked out fine for him and he DID have a team of experienced advisors already lined up. From the sounds of things, Fultz is relying on 1-2 guys who have no experience with this kind of stuff.
 

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What do we think of Sacto trading 5 and 10...too much for the third pick but not enough for the 1st pick? But there's probably some permutation of the three way deal with Sacto and Philly than ends with the Kings having the #1 pick?

EDIT: Or what smastroyin said.
 

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If rumors are true, no way the Kings trade Hield. He is the next Steph Curry. I also wouldn't think much of it. I doubt the Celtics gave him a commitment.
 

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Wait, so when Ainge or BB works out a player he has no chance or intention to draft, it's because of his amazing foresight, thoroughness and future scouting. When another team does it, it's because the kid is reckless and doesn't have a good support system?
 

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Wait, so when Ainge or BB works out a player he has no chance or intention to draft, it's because of his amazing foresight, thoroughness and future scouting. When another team does it, it's because the kid is reckless and doesn't have a good support system?
This isn't about the TEAM or Boston fans.....it is about the consensus #1 pick in the draft agreeing to workout for the team with the 5th pick. It's about risk/reward. The risks are injury or a team throwing out a false medical report to get him to drop to them knowing there are no agent repercussions because well.....there is no agent to throw under the bus. The reward is.....maybe the Sacramento Kings trade up for you. No agent in his right mind would ever allow this workout to happen......shit, the Kings can't even get agents to allow marginal lottery picks to come workout for them!
 

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Jonathan Jeanne diagnosed with Marfan Syndrome. Career now in jeopardy.

This is same disorder that ended Isaiah Austin's career until he found a doctor to clear him to allow him to play overseas last year.


Edit: Didn't see this reported on prior page.
 
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I'm generally against emoticons when the sarcasm is so thick as to render them unnecessary, but you gotta give me something here.
I think it was reported at the time of the trade that's how Sacramento's ownership viewed him, which is obviously fucking insane.
 

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What do we think of Sacto trading 5 and 10...too much for the third pick but not enough for the 1st pick? But there's probably some permutation of the three way deal with Sacto and Philly than ends with the Kings having the #1 pick?

EDIT: Or what smastroyin said.

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Despite reports that Markelle Fultz will work out for SAC, there are no indications that BOS & SAC are talking a trade per multiple sources.

8:44 AM - 9 Jun 2017
 

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Only thing I can imagine is that there's a medical red flag from his visit to Boston (perhaps the knee?)

Even in that scenario, why wouldn't he just visit all of the top 5, though. Does he perhaps have some connection wtih Sacto that makes it more sensible than it appears?
 

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Can sacto even get into the top 3? 5 and 10 to Philly? They can probably still get Monk at 5. Then hope Danny is really interested in trading down? 3 plus hield plus swap rights next year? I got nothing. Just randomly guessing what might be thinking?
It depends on what you think of Philly since they have swap priority with the Kings. Personally I don't see anything on that roster that would equalize the value.
 

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Sacramento may want to cut a deal with us thus the interest...
 

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Here's a hack by Heck.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-los-angeles-lakers-nba-draft-markelle-fultz-josh-jackson-deaaron-fox/di15wny543pf106qvrxjg36xq

Ball's primary elite skill aside from 3-point shooting is his court vision, passing, and seeing 2 passes ahead when running his offense. No workout can simulate these game conditions. I'd imagine that if anyone recognizes this it is Magic. These writers can't wait to get the clickbait out and of course I'm a sucker and bought it. Grrrrr..
 

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Here's a hack by Heck.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-los-angeles-lakers-nba-draft-markelle-fultz-josh-jackson-deaaron-fox/di15wny543pf106qvrxjg36xq

Ball's primary elite skill aside from 3-point shooting is his court vision, passing, and seeing 2 passes ahead when running his offense. No workout can simulate these game conditions. I'd imagine that if anyone recognizes this it is Magic. These writers can't wait to get the clickbait out and of course I'm a sucker and bought it. Grrrrr..
Heh, yeah I assume they aren't running many full court full squad fast breaks and such in these workouts, which is where he really shines when you see him grab a board and fire the ball up court into the right guy's hands with a path to the rim before the recipient even knows it's coming.
 

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Only thing I can imagine is that there's a medical red flag from his visit to Boston (perhaps the knee?)

Even in that scenario, why wouldn't he just visit all of the top 5, though. Does he perhaps have some connection wtih Sacto that makes it more sensible than it appears?
If his knees requires a year out he's clearly not getting past Philly
 

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Didn't everyone already know that Smith had a sick vertical? Maybe they didn't know it was 48", but I can't imagine that vaults him to # 2.
 

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Didn't everyone already know that Smith had a sick vertical? Maybe they didn't know it was 48", but I can't imagine that vaults him to # 2.
If all the sudden he didn't have T-Rex arms (by NBA standards) that would be news.

Next to Ball, he's the prospect that seems to generate most the divergent opinions. Ford had him at 2 on his big board for much of the season, and I've seen others put him well above Jackson and Tatum. Meanwhile Draftexpress has him at 7.
 

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He was concerned he wouldn't be drafted? What does that mean? He'd rather go somewhere else for less money?
 

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One explanation I saw was he thought he'd be buried on the depth chart, with Hayward possibly coming in and Brown already here, and then there's Jae too (of course someone would probably get traded).
 

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I think that's an odd choice by Jackson. That said, Chad Ford has said that there are agents steering their guys away from Celtics for playing time reasons.

Frankly, that makes some sense for second round picks but none for a guy who might go number one---they will play plenty.
 

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Not a huge fan, but JJ seems to be an Ainge type prospect that he could fall in love with. Odd decision.
 

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Well he just worked out for the Lakers so maybe he got a promise he'd go #2, which makes at least a little sense. I would have loved to see JB and JJ play together and wreck havoc; but I'm wanting to see Marky F in green just a bit more.
 

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This is the type of shit 18-year old kids do when they are calling their own shots rather than signing with the agents who control player movement in this league. For those ready to write "But look at Jaylen"........yes, it worked out fine for him and he DID have a team of experienced advisors already lined up. From the sounds of things, Fultz is relying on 1-2 guys who have no experience with this kind of stuff.

He's signed with an agency now anyway -


Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @WojVerticalNBA 1m1 minute ago
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Potential No. 1 overall pick Markelle Fultz has signed with agent Raymond Brothers, league sources tell @TheVertical.
 

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One explanation I saw was he thought he'd be buried on the depth chart, with Hayward possibly coming in and Brown already here, and then there's Jae too (of course someone would probably get traded).
Of course.

His agent doesn't want him playing Jaylen Brown minutes next year or being used as a pawn in the Celtics looking to acquire a veteran star? Perfectly reasonable from a business perspective and why agent representation is so important in making sound business decisions.

These guys are battling for one endorsement dollars, two their individual branding, and of course minutes to put up numbers that allow them to accomplish both one and two. That isn't happening for anyone in Boston.....even Fultz isn't going to play big minutes and can easily fall behind other rookies who do get these opportunities.

Two California kids in Ball and Jackson not wanting to play in Boston. Also reasonable.
 

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Yet one of those California kids actually spent most of his childhood in Michigan and then chose to play college ball in Kansas.

Are there actually that many pro basketball players that play in their home town? Seems like most of them choose not to if given the choice. It keeps getting brought up but I think it is way way overblown. Kevin Love was definitely bolting to LA the first chance he got. Kevin Durant was going back to DC. Etc, etc.
 

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That's what she said.
If the Celts can get the Detroit first rounder for Avery Bradley you have to think Danny Ainge will do it and try to turn that pick into a future first rounder? A #12 pick for him could be good value for another team, but not for the Cs with so much youth already. Maybe it would be best to allow him to play out his deal. Probably not though.
 

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Yet one of those California kids actually spent most of his childhood in Michigan and then chose to play college ball in Kansas.

Are there actually that many pro basketball players that play in their home town? Seems like most of them choose not to if given the choice. It keeps getting brought up but I think it is way way overblown. Kevin Love was definitely bolting to LA the first chance he got. Kevin Durant was going back to DC. Etc, etc.
Jalen Rose among other former players has noted that playing in your hometown often sucks and leads to a ton of stress and time demands. Ball wanting to stay home is driven by his Dad, most guys especially once they are in the league don't see their hometown as a plus.
 

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If the Celts can get the Detroit first rounder for Avery Bradley you have to think Danny Ainge will do it and try to turn that pick into a future first rounder? A #12 pick for him could be good value for another team, but not for the Cs with so much youth already. Maybe it would be best to allow him to play out his deal. Probably not though.
I haven't seen the offer you're referring to. How would the deal work with AB's $8M salary?
 

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That's what she said.
Its been rumored, not sure how the money would work.

Stan Van has often said that Aron Baynes will opt out, he has a player option and makes 6.5, so that would work. Not sure if he could opt out afterwards or not. Baynes would be a good piece if there weren't such a log jam on the Cs roster.

Detroit has made if known Reggie Jackson, Drummond, and their first round draft pick can all be had. Depends on the magic Danny and Stan could work bringing in another team possibly to get rid of some of what Stan Van is sick of. And luck for him they still pay Josh Smith $6.5 million a year!

The trades are about to heat up. Maybe some new conversational threads concerning Avery as well as other team's moves.
 

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Its been rumored, not sure how the money would work.

Baynes would be a good piece if there weren't such a log jam on the Cs roster.
Baynes is in his last non-exercisable year and cannot be traded until next year (if he exercises his player option).

Detroit has nothing useful to send back to match salaries for Bradley. SVG would have to find a third team to facilitate.
 

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ESPN has their tier rankings up on Insider. The pertinent bit for the C's:
Tier 1 (Potential superstars)

Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA
Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington


Last draft we had just one player in this category: Ben Simmons. The year before that, Karl-Anthony Towns was the only player here.

This category is usually reserved for guys who are surefire All-Stars or franchise players. Only six other players since we started this column in 2009 -- Blake Griffin, John Wall, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker -- have been ranked in this slot.

Fultz was unanimously nominated for tier 1 by the NBA scouts and executives I polled for this piece. Ball was more polarizing for sure, but he still got a majority of the votes for tier 1.

Three other players -- Josh Jackson, De'Aaron Fox and Jayson Tatum -- received votes for tier 1.
 

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From (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-mock-draft-2017-lonzo-ball-boston-celtics-los-angeles-lakers-markelle-fultz-061417):

7. Minnesota Timberwolves: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona (freshman)
Per-game averages: 15.6 points, 7.2 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 49.2 FG%, 42.3 3P%, 4.4 3PA, 83.5 FT%

Height: 7'0"; Weight: 225 lbs; Age: 19 (May 22, 1997)

There's a distinct possibility the Wolves trade this pick, likely for a point guard. If they do keep the selection, though, I like Markkanen's floor-spacing next to Karl-Anthony Towns' outstanding offensive game and promising defensive potential. Assuming Towns reaches his ceiling on that end, he should cover any flaws in Markkanen's game.



So suppose the Celtics draft Fultz, and when #7 rolls around Markkanen is available, and Minnesota is interested in dealing the pick for a point guard.

*IF* the Celtics are thinking that their real window is 4 years from now (post LeBron, post GS dynasty), and
*IF* the Celtics like Markkanen a lot,
*IF* Minnesota really is looking to trade the pick for a quality point guard, and
*IF* Minnesota thinks highly of Thomas,

Could an IT-for-#7 trade make sense for both teams? The NBA Trade Machine allows an IT-for-nothing trade salary cap wise, so the money would work. Minnesota has Rubio, Tyus Jones, and Kris Dunn, but IT is better than any of those guys by a sizable margin. And I'm not suggesting that the C's dump IT or anything like that, but given the "ifs" above, might it make sense to explore that deal? If it wouldn't work straight-up, what else would each team need to add to make it work?
 

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IT just put up one the most efficient high scoring seasons ever, made both am all star and all NBA team, and led his team to the ECF.

There is zero chance he is traded for the 7th pick in the draft.
 

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I'd might argue with the player but not the philosophy of trading IT4 for a lottery pick. Of course that would mean you would be playing 4 rookies and Jaylen Brown. I don't see it. It would also probably lower the chances of Hayward wanting to sign here. I'm also not sure IT4 is the type of PG Minnesota would really be looking for. They have plenty of scoring as it is. When LaVine comes back, that would be a scary bad defensive team but an offensively potent one. I wonder if they could get Bledsoe with the pick and who they would prefer. Of course Bledsoe doesn't really fit the bill of pass first PG either.

edit: And they could probably have Reggie Jackson for very little.
 
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Not sure why Minnesota is looking for a PG. They drafted Dunn last year and still have Rubio. The really need a PF who can play next to Towns.

They should bring Love back :)
 

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I can't see Thomas as Thibodeau's type of PG given his defensive limitations, but then again the Wolves have a great defensive PG in Rubio that they've been trying to dump since Thibs got there, so who knows.