2017 Jimmy G: The Dilemma

[jimbobim]

I think Garoppolo's value is depressed because there's an unusual amount of QB talent available this offseason. There are a couple draft guys, and some teams are going to value the ability to mold Watson / Trubisky / Kizer and the four / five years of control there. Romo, Cutler, Tyrod Taylor, and Bradford / Bridgewater might change teams, and they are better than the Fitzpatricks / Matt Moores usually available. Add in guys like Kaepernick and Mike Glennon and there is some surprising talent out there.( If by surprising you mean infuriating or perplexing I agree. Taylor is only one I'd be remotely comfortable with) Is a team going to give up a first-round pick for Garoppolo when they might be able to sign Cutler or Romo for just money?

To give up a first or high second for Garoppolo, it's probably going to have to be a team that loved him in pre-draft. The obvious solution would be if McDaniels get a gig and wants to bring someone who already knows his system. Otherwise it's going to come down to whether teams like Garoppolo more than Watson or Trubisky or whatever. Osweiler is kind of a cautionary tale here.

The NFL Draft Industrial Complex will attempt over the next several months to pump the tires/spin this years' QB class, but it's pretty much an open secret that it's abysmal. Trubisky is the only one I've seen consistently given a 1rst round grade.And the concern ? He's only done it in a small sample for one season.

I'm a little shocked by people saying getting a 1rst for Jimmy G is outlandish and unreasonable. It's not as if this is the Cassell situation where they had to franchise him before taking the 2nd rounder and the cap hit killed leverage. He's got another cheap year left.

Teams who I think will be most involved to at least part with the first rounder needed -
1) Bears- If Fox gets the can I can definitely envision the McDaniels Jimmy G combo being the plan in return for their 1rst rounder straight up.
2) Cardinals- Past trade history. BA doesn't have to try and make chicken salad out of a reclamation project.
3)Jacksonville- Sleeper if McDaniels goes here and wants to hit eject on Bortles.
4) The Browns- dumpster fire

Bottom line is the QB market is well populated but far from overwhelming. I think a 1rst round pick is a minimum for a conversation especially due to DFG penalties and the unprecedented doubling down on TB's health that a trade would constitute. Honestly if a team offers a high second or third with small sample size as the concern the NEP should just say alright have fun with Romo, Taylor, etc...

 

[Super Nomario]

The NFL Draft Industrial Complex will attempt over the next several months to pump the tires/spin this years' QB class, but it's pretty much an open secret that it's abysmal. Trubisky is the only one I've seen consistently given a 1rst round grade.And the concern ? He's only done it in a small sample for one season.

People were saying similar about the 2016 class this time last year, and then Goff and Wentz went 1-2. I don't know what will happen. The NFL Draft Industrial Complex is kind of irrelevant - it matters what the individual teams think. Maybe Hue Jackson loves Trubisky. Maybe the Bears really like Watson. Maybe the Bills decide Tyrod Taylor is the future, after all.

Garoppolo makes no sense for a team like the Giants that might be tempted by a raw talent to groom behind Eli like Kizer or Trubisky. For a win-now team, he's probably a less appealing option than Romo or Cutler. How many teams need a starter now and are willing to give up assets for it to be a young guy? Would that be a smart move for a team like SF or CLE that has a ton of holes?

 

[dcmissle]

Insofar as QBs are concerned, it's my sense recently that teams drive the Draft Industrial Complex, not the fans or media (unlike, for example, our very own baseball Prospect Industrial Complex). I recall the Kipers and McShays being explicit about this -- *This is not where I would rank Wentz or Goff, but based on what I'm hearing, this is where they are going.* It just takes a team or two, then a frenzy builds based on insecurity as much as anything else.

Based on Brady's age and what the Pats have gotten from JG, I think the Pats probably value him very highly. I will not be surprised if they refuse to trade him for anything less than a first rounder +.

But other teams may not see it that way, and reasonably so. What JG has done on the field in games that count is limited; other teams do not see what JG has done in practice, meeting rooms and every place else. Then there is a strong lineage that runs from Scotty Mitchell through Brock Osweiler. Added to that is how Cassell and Hoyer have fared. Add in a dash of teams being adverse to being played by the Pats. Finally, sprinkle in some arrogance with teams' insecurity - "we'll find the next Prescott, goddamit."

It may well be that through the 2017 draft, at least, what the Pats are willing to accept and what any other team would be willing to pay will not intersect. And I would be fine with that.

 

[snowmanny]

Except if it's the Philly pick from Cleveland - or an equally higher pick - it's worth all four of those things.

Edit: which is to say nothing of the fact them trading him has nothing to do with 'being even'.

Well obviously where the picks are matter. By my count the 1st lost, the 4th lost and the 2nd on JG were worth a little under 1000 draft value points. Somewhere around 1000-1200 in fact seems about right. So maybe a single pick in the 12-16 range. As for getting even, of course it's ridiculous to be thinking about stuff like that when building a team, and it's exactly why you want Belichick as the GM instead of snowmanny.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

 

[Tony C]

How many guys played as well as Jimmy G over their first 6 quarters as a starter? I mean, you're right, most QBs have strung together 6 consecutive quarters of elite play. That Jimmy did it out of the gate, and under the pressure of replacing a legend in the context of the DG hysteria and media blitz, justifies some optimism about him, in my view. And you're really going to evaluate him based on exhibition tape? You must appreciate that he was often playing with (and against) second and third stringers, and guys who never made the NFL, and that offenses are often bland in the pre-season. That seems like a slender reed on which to build an argument.

I'm not sure what Jimmy is worth. Nor do I care much. My calculus is that QB is the most important position in football, if not all North American pro sports, Tom is not young, despite his elite play and all appearances to the contrary, all QBs get hurt, Jimmy has shown that there's at least the chance that he's a special talent and, as a result of all that, the Pats should forego the potential trade dividend and keep the insurance.

Theo! Couldn't have said it better -- how can a guy be so right about music and football, but....

One day we'll get that drink and work out the political problems, as well. Guarantee it.

 

[Devizier]

The precedence for a backup blowing the doors off in limited action is Rob Johnson in Jacksonville back in 1997. The Bills famously traded their first (pick 9, Fred Taylor) and fourth for him. Then they signed him to a new 5/25 contract, which was very large for its time.

Johnson proceeded to get hurt a lot and ushered in the Flutie flake era.

 

[jimbobim]

One thing I will say I agree with others on. If a 1rst round type package isn't in the offing I could easily see the Pats just riding with Jimmy G in case of TB injury regression etc. I mean I think BB made his thoughts on insurance pretty clear a week or so ago. It's not like they have to franchise him this year.

It also doesn't make a whole lot of sense to trade away premium insurance for future draft value if the GOAT is the one player organizationally they are not going to move on from a year early.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

The precedence for a backup blowing the doors off in limited action is Rob Johnson in Jacksonville back in 1997. The Bills famously traded their first (pick 9, Fred Taylor) and fourth for him. Then they signed him to a new 5/25 contract, which was very large for its time.

Johnson proceeded to get hurt a lot and ushered in the Flutie flake era.

What about Brett Favre in Atlanta?

 

[Devizier]

What about Brett Favre in Atlanta?

He had 4 pass attempts?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

He had 4 pass attempts?

But he completed zero of them! Sorry read your post wrong. My mistake.

 

[Devizier]

But he completed zero of them! Sorry read your post wrong. My mistake.

No problem, I was wondering if I was missing something.

 

[snowmanny]

The precedence for a backup blowing the doors off in limited action is Rob Johnson in Jacksonville back in 1997. The Bills famously traded their first (pick 9, Fred Taylor) and fourth for him. Then they signed him to a new 5/25 contract, which was very large for its time.

Johnson proceeded to get hurt a lot and ushered in the Flutie flake era.

Well he did (annoyingly) start the last playoff game the Bills ever played.

 

[axx]

One thing I will say I agree with others on. If a 1rst round type package isn't in the offing I could easily see the Pats just riding with Jimmy G in case of TB injury regression etc. I mean I think BB made his thoughts on insurance pretty clear a week or so ago. It's not like they have to franchise him this year.

They won't get much or anything with a franchise tag. It's now or let him go for nothing.

 

[Shelterdog]

They won't get much or anything with a franchise tag. It's now or let him go for nothing.

Different player different year but Cassel (and vrabel) garnered a high second even though cassel was tagged.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

Wasn't it widely held that vrabel and his salary actually dragged down the price they got?

 

[Shelterdog]

Wasn't it widely held that vrabel and his salary actually dragged down the price they got?

Yes; there were rumors at the time that someone else offered the pats a late first but that the pats went with KC because they could also control what happened to vrabel.

 

[TheoShmeo]

Theo! Couldn't have said it better -- how can a guy be so right about music and football, but....

One day we'll get that drink and work out the political problems, as well. Guarantee it.

Hey, like minded people aren't necessarily like minded on all topics!

Any chance you'll be at the Deadco show on Sunday at Fenway? I plan, as of now, to be at that one (and Camden and Spac).

And those Hollywood Bowl shows look tempting but will be a game time or game week decision and probably not realistic for me. But you never know...

 

[axx]

Different player different year but Cassel (and vrabel) garnered a high second even though cassel was tagged.

The difference I think is that Brady's contract is structured such that he will be the QB in 2018 and won't get cut or traded even if he gets hurt or is bad next year. The franchise number will be 20M+ so keeping Jimmy as a backup isn't happening. I doubt Brady would agree to restructure as long as Jimmy's still here.

 

[Super Nomario]

The difference I think is that Brady's contract is structured such that he will be the QB in 2018 and won't get cut or traded even if he gets hurt or is bad next year. The franchise number will be 20M+ so keeping Jimmy as a backup isn't happening. I doubt Brady would agree to restructure as long as Jimmy's still here.

They can cut Brady before 2018. There would be $14 MM in dead money but they could spread it over two seasons, and if they sign Garoppolo to a long-term deal they could backload it so the overall QB expenditure in 2018-2019 would be reasonable. It's not a likely scenario, of course, but it's plausible a la 1991-2 49ers way (Montana gets hurt, Young comes in and is amazing). Assuming they keep Jimmy G next year, which is no sure thing.

 

[dcmissle]

32 and 40 are the most relevant numbers, IMO. The former was Brady's age when Cassel was spun out of here in 2009; Tom will be three months from 40 next spring. So it's not just, or even mainly, injury insurance for a year. It's a matter of avoiding a QB wilderness when the inevitable happens.

It's hard to imagine their flipping JG this upcoming offseason unless (i) the trade package is overwhelming (whatever that may be) and (a) their regard for JG is substantially less than most imagine or (b) they think JB is a QB they could win a championship with.

If there is evidence for (a), it's well hidden. I don't know how you get comfortable with (b) after one year.

 

[dcmissle]

They can cut Brady before 2018. There would be $14 MM in dead money but they could spread it over two seasons, and if they sign Garoppolo to a long-term deal they could backload it so the overall QB expenditure in 2018-2019 would be reasonable. It's not a likely scenario, of course, but it's plausible a la 1991-2 49ers way (Montana gets hurt, Young comes in and is amazing). Assuming they keep Jimmy G next year, which is no sure thing.

I know you are not making a direct comparison, but it did occur to me and I wondered why more people were not advocating the shift. There are several answers, but the most simple one is that JG and Steve Young really shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph, if on the same page. Young had 61 pro starts under his belt when Joe was sent packing, combining USFL and NFL appearances. And 10 of them came the season before the cord was cut.

 

[BigMike]

See I think the argument that teams get Jimmy for a cheap deal is in the end bogus.

Any team that trades the value that people are talking about here, is going to have to rip up the contract and give Jimmy Osweiler money to lock him up long term. You can't trade for him, and then let him ride off in FA in a year.

The history of traded QB's in the NFL is pretty poor. The history of guys who looked good for a small sample of games and then were either traded or signed for big money in the offseason is also pretty poor.

Jimmy looked good in a couple of games in an incredibly QB friendly offense, with an extraordinary amount of talent around him

Does it make sense for Cleveland or SF to bring him in? Both franchises are dumpster fires for the next couple of years.

Someone mentioned McDaniels going somewhere and coveting Jimmy. That could make sense. I could see Bill taking advantage of Junior while chuckling an evil chuckle.

Arizona could make some sense, as they are a team that if they like Jimmy could see him as the last needed piece to make a superbowl run

 

[Ed Hillel]

32 and 40 are the most relevant numbers, IMO. The former was Brady's age when Cassel was spun out of here in 2009; Tom will be three months from 40 next spring. So it's not just, or even mainly, injury insurance for a year. It's a matter of avoiding a QB wilderness when the inevitable happens.

Yes, but that insurance for the future expires after next season, since Jimmy won't be re-signing to stay on as backup. Unless maybe he'd be willing to take something like 15 million over a couple years to back up and succeed Brady, which I doubt. Either way, keeping Jimmy G this offseason does not in any way guarantee he'll be Brady's successor. In fact, I'd say it's unlikely.

 

[Tony C]

Hey, like minded people aren't necessarily like minded on all topics!

Any chance you'll be at the Deadco show on Sunday at Fenway? I plan, as of now, to be at that one (and Camden and Spac).

And those Hollywood Bowl shows look tempting but will be a game time or game week decision and probably not realistic for me. But you never know...

Nope, not Fenway -- but already have tix to Hollywood Bowl show (the first one). Really looking forward to that, definitely let me know if you'll be making it.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Arizona could make some sense, as they are a team that if they like Jimmy could see him as the last needed piece to make a superbowl run

Jimmy G is a young QB a franchise builds around, not an aging short-term piece like Tony Romo. Jimmy would make perfect sense for a bottom of the barrell team, especially since I think he and his agent would take a middle of the road deal for a number of years moving forward. Maybe something like 3/35 (20+ guaranteed) added on to the million dollar hit next season. 4/36 isn't too much more expensive than a top pick is making anyway, though the team loses the option year at the end.

 

[mwonow]

Jimmy G is a young QB a franchise builds around, not an aging short-term piece like Tony Romo. Jimmy would make perfect sense for a bottom of the barrell team, especially since I think he and his agent would take a middle of the road deal for a number of years moving forward. Maybe something like 3/35 (20+ guaranteed) added on to the million dollar hit next season. 4/36 isn't too much more expensive than a top pick is making anyway, though the team loses the option year at the end.

Why would he take that, if the not-impossible franchise tag would pay him more than half that amount for a single season? Genuinely curious...

 

[BigMike]

Jimmy G is a young QB a franchise builds around, not an aging short-term piece like Tony Romo. Jimmy would make perfect sense for a bottom of the barrell team, especially since I think he and his agent would take a middle of the road deal for a number of years moving forward. Maybe something like 3/35 (20+ guaranteed) added on to the million dollar hit next season. 4/36 isn't too much more expensive than a top pick is making anyway, though the team loses the option year at the end.

I have no idea why he would sign a contract for anything less than the Osweiler 4/72 with 37 million guaranteed. Now maybe it won't be that exact contract he is not currently a FA, but I would be sure it would be closer to that deal than the 3/35 you suggest. His agent is a fool if he gives up 3 years of FA for that low a number.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I have no idea why he would sign a contract for anything less than the Osweiler 4/72 with 37 million guaranteed. Now maybe it won't be that exact contract he is not currently a FA, but I would be sure it would be closer to that deal than the 3/35 you suggest. His agent is a fool if he gives up 3 years of FA for that low a number.

Well his agent is Don Yee...

I have no idea why Jimmy would have the same agent as Brady. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Why would he take that, if the not-impossible franchise tag would pay him more than half that amount for a single season? Genuinely curious...

I don't think he's going to get franchised in a sign and trade, it's too risky and the Pats will get a comp pick anyway. So he'd be left possibly to the open market in 2018, possibly without having played a meaningful snap in over a year and a half. So he can likely spend 2017 as a backup and see what happens, or he can start in 2017 with 25 or so million guaranteed in his pocket. And if he's really good, he can probably get away with holding out and getting a restructured contract anyway.

Everyone has different strategies, but if I was in his shoes as a backup who hasn't gotten a big payday, that's how I'd play it. I mean if a team was willing to pay more, gladly take it, but teams giving up top draft stock have alternatives. A team is going to have to really, really like Jimmy to both give up enough to satisfy the Pats and pay him near FA market value when they have leverage over him.

I have no idea why he would sign a contract for anything less than the Osweiler 4/72 with 37 million guaranteed. Now maybe it won't be that exact contract he is not currently a FA, but I would be sure it would be closer to that deal than the 3/35 you suggest. His agent is a fool if he gives up 3 years of FA for that low a number.

Osweiller's deal is basically a 2 year deal, but it's still an overpay. I don't think anyone is going to give up a first round pick and pay him a significant contract, but maybe someone will. As I say above, though, if you're his agent, what are you expecting his value is as a FA in the 2018 offseason if he doesn't play a meaningful snap next season? Is Jimmy ok playing 2017 as a backup instead of starting? There are a lot of considerations here.

Also consider that, while Osweiller was a FA, Jimmy starts with an insanely cheap 1 year, 1 million dollar contract that gives the team some significant leverage. They can buy out his risk for below FA market value.

 

[E5 Yaz]

How much does NE's level of confidence in Brissett factor into any reluctance to trade JG?

 

[phardenbrook]

Given the rarity of the Pats keeping 3 active quarterbacks, maybe it is Brissett that the Pats are planning on offloading and keeping JG as the heir apparent.

 

[axx]

How much does NE's level of confidence in Brissett factor into any reluctance to trade JG?

They seem to like him a lot. Enough that they would be fine with trading Jimmy.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

Well his agent is Don Yee...

I have no idea why Jimmy would have the same agent as Brady. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Well, he would have signed with him before the Pats drafted him. Would be kind of bad form to fire him after he got picked, I would think.

 

[Super Nomario]

I know you are not making a direct comparison, but it did occur to me and I wondered why more people were not advocating the shift. There are several answers, but the most simple one is that JG and Steve Young really shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph, if on the same page. Young had 61 pro starts under his belt when Joe was sent packing, combining USFL and NFL appearances. And 10 of them came the season before the cord was cut.

Yeah, this is my issue with the "Jimmy as heir apparent" scenario. They have to keep him this year and then Brady has to be hurt or ineffective in 2017 to the extent that Garoppolo gets several more starts and shows he is a comparable or superior option. That's certainly not unthinkable at the age of 40, but at this point it's unlikely.

See I think the argument that teams get Jimmy for a cheap deal is in the end bogus.

Any team that trades the value that people are talking about here, is going to have to rip up the contract and give Jimmy Osweiler money to lock him up long term. You can't trade for him, and then let him ride off in FA in a year.

Sure, but being under contract for a year at a cheap rate acts as leverage to reduce the value of the long-term deal. And he's not leaving after a year because of the franchise tag. A team that has 2017 cap concerns can work something out with Garoppolo easier than they could with, say, Romo or Jay Cutler, by backloading the deal.

Jimmy looked good in a couple of games in an incredibly QB friendly offense, with an extraordinary amount of talent around him

QB-friendly O, sure, but not sure I agree on the talent. Remember, Gronk didn't play the first two weeks, Solder missed Week 1, and Shaq Mason was banged up and barely played, and no Dion Lewis. The surrounding talent was fine, but far from extraordinary.

Given the rarity of the Pats keeping 3 active quarterbacks, maybe it is Brissett that the Pats are planning on offloading and keeping JG as the heir apparent.

Then why use a third on Brissett just a few months ago?

 

[nothumb]

I have to believe that part of the reason for activating JB from IR is to evaluate him a bit more in live practice before you decide whether to trade Jimmy. If they are comfortable with him I would expect the Pats to get max value for Jimmy in the offseason, even if that's only, say, a 2 and a 4 or something.

 

[CoolPapaLaSchelle]

And he's not leaving after a year because of the franchise tag.

I think this is an important point. Any team trading for him has, in effect, the option to keep Jimmy G at 1 yr/$1.1mm or 2 yrs/$21mm. If he does not live up to the hype, the penalty is only the traded picks, not the money. If he is very good, the team can extend him after year one. If he is middle of the road or gets hurt, the franchise tag buys them a not unreasonable second evaluation year.

 

[InstaFace]

Well his agent is Don Yee...

I have no idea why Jimmy would have the same agent as Brady. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

And oddly, his agent assured him it was both acceptable and advisable for him to destroy his own value in free agency. Just flush it away never to be restored.

 

[Shelterdog]

And oddly, his agent assured him it was both acceptable and advisable for him to destroy his own value in free agency. Just flush it away never to be restored.

Wait what?

 

[Ed Hillel]

I think this is an important point. Any team trading for him has, in effect, the option to keep Jimmy G at 1 yr/$1.1mm or 2 yrs/$21mm. If he does not live up to the hype, the penalty is only the traded picks, not the money. If he is very good, the team can extend him after year one. If he is middle of the road or gets hurt, the franchise tag buys them a not unreasonable second evaluation year.

I don't think a trade will happen without an extension already worked out. It will probably take at least a first to pry him away, and I don't think a bottom of the league franchise is doing that without knowing he's around at a somewhat reasonable price for 4-5 years. While the first year is fantastic, straight to franchise after that is getting expensive fast.

Wait what?

I think that's a cell phone joke.

 

[InstaFace]

I think that's a cell phone joke.

...yeah. I hope it's not too late to get my day job back.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

33 and 51 from Cleveland is pretty equivalent to a 1st and 4th.

A 2nd, 3rd and 2018 3rd or 4th from SF or Chicago would also be in the same value territory.

Deals along those lines seem far more likely to me than anything that nets us a first rounder. And I think BB would jump at them.

 

[amfox1]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000768902/article/eight-nfl-teams-that-need-to-draft-a-qb-in-2017?campaign=tw-cf-sf49308272-sf49308272

Here's a look at 8 teams that need to add a signal-caller in the offseason. With free-agent and trade options typically limited at QB, the draft might be their best hope of finding a potential long-term answer under center. I've ranked the teams based on their level of need at the position.

1. Cleveland Browns
First-round position: Nos. 1 and 12

2. New York Jets
First-round position: No. 6

3. San Francisco 49ers
First-round draft position: No. 2

4. Chicago Bears
First-round draft position: No. 3

5. Buffalo Bills
First-round draft position: No. 10

6. Houston Texans
First-round draft position: TBD

7. Arizona Cardinals
First-round draft position: No. 13

8. Jacksonville Jaguars
First-round draft position: No. 4

Note: comments deleted from quote.

I would view CLE, SF and CHI as the Jimmy G trade leaders, with ARI and JAX (depending on the HC) as sleepers. Obviously, NYJ and BUF are not likely to be in the Jimmy G trade sweepstakes. I don't think HOU will be, either.

 

[Hoodie Sleeves]

I don't think a trade will happen without an extension already worked out. It will probably take at least a first to pry him away, and I don't think a bottom of the league franchise is doing that without knowing he's around at a somewhat reasonable price for 4-5 years. While the first year is fantastic, straight to franchise after that is getting expensive fast.

The quarterback franchise tag is almost never a harming factor for a team that intends to start the guy - we're talking $21M or so - in a league where top line starters are getting $100M+ contracts with $40M+ guaranteed, and $25M/yr, and the minimum a regular starter is going to get is about $15M . You don't worry about the tag - you worry if he's good enough to start. If he is, you're happy to have given him $20M. If he isn't, you're moving on, and the whole thing is irrelevant..

 

[E5 Yaz]

Sorry if this was posted earlier, but Scheffer drills Dilfer about JG

http://nesn.com/2017/01/adam-schefter-spars-with-trent-dilfer-over-jimmy-garoppolos-trade-value/

 

[Van Everyman]

Trent Dilfer and Adam Schefter are having a major food fight over what Jimmy would bring on market. One thinks a first and a fourth. Another thinks it's not nearly that much. The good news is that the smart one is the one who thinks he's gonna bring more:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/03/schefter-dilfer-at-odds-over-garoppolo-trade-value/

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

I'm shocked Dilfer has a job even before this fight. He became like the expert overnight and seems to be parlaying that bit of authority he has with that high school show The Opening, etc., but I'm sure even those high school kids looked at him the first few years and were like "who the fuck are you?"

I am curious to see how this plays out. My money is on Shefty. It seems like a great year to have a QB to shop.

 

[BigJimEd]

Didn't hear the original interview but heard Dilfer yesterday. He was backtracking and apologizing to Schefter. Said he didn't mean to suggest anyone was using Adam as a pawn.
Reiterated that he thought it was possible Jimmy G could fetch a late first but didn't see any team giving up more than a first nor a an early first.

 

[smokin joe wood]

I'm shocked Dilfer has a job even before this fight. He became like the expert overnight and seems to be parlaying that bit of authority he has with that high school show The Opening, etc., but I'm sure even those high school kids looked at him the first few years and were like "who the fuck are you?"

I am curious to see how this plays out. My money is on Shefty. It seems like a great year to have a QB to shop.

Ignore the ponies and rainbows stuff. If you watch the Xs and Os edits that Dilfer works on for Monday Night Countdown, you'd know he is really talented. When asked to talk all the time on TV you're going to say dumb things (Pats are done) but Dilfer is pretty damned good. Way down the list of people talking about football that should be let go.

 

[InstaFace]

If the final chapter of Ballghazi is that in Brady's absence, the Pats' showcasing of Garoppolo enabled them to boost his value enough to then trade him for the exact draft picks they lost, I will have trouble stopping my laughing fits.

 

[dcmissle]

Ignore the ponies and rainbows stuff. If you watch the Xs and Os edits that Dilfer works on for Monday Night Countdown, you'd know he is really talented. When asked to talk all the time on TV you're going to say dumb things (Pats are done) but Dilfer is pretty damned good. Way down the list of people talking about football that should be let go.

+1.

I like Schefter, but understand what's going on here. Dilfer is offering a professional opinion, Schefter fluff.

If JG goes for a 1 and 4, Dilfer will acknowledge he misjudged the market. If not, Schefter will Glenn Ordway the matter. He'll insist he never said JG will go for a 1 and 4, only that this was the asking price. He'll probably couple it with a reminder -- constant from him -- that his info is only as good as his sources, and his sources in this instance were wrong.

That's how Schefter and the four letter roll.

All of it is bs at this point. Games can't start soon enough.