2017 Celtics Offseason: News and General Discussion
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I liked what I saw as well: long, strong and active is a good place to start your NBA (summer) league career.
I can't imagine that Zizic or Theiss are starting for this team in the fall. More likely it is, Olynyk, a big they sign with the Room Exception, or someone they get in a trade for one of their wings.
Come on, really? No one is going to base anything on 1 summer league game...It's based on that he is a raw 20yr old rookie, that played overseas, he's joining an elite NBA team and he has to learn Brad's system/style of play.
Zizic will be fine and Brad/team will develop him. If he plays 10 effective mins/game for the team this year that would be a HUGE win. I get the initial enthusiasm, but we probably need to pump the brakes on penciling him in as a starter getting major minutes.
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I have a feeling it's going to be Jahlil Okafor. Danny was still kicking the tires on him and Philly is looking to move on. In the ideal world, they'd be targeting one of Philly's other bigs, Richaun Holmes. He's exactly the type of player the Celtics need and I have a feeling he's going to bust out if/when given a chance. 6'10 245 lbs of muscle, great athlete, can block shots, can cover guards on the perimeter, has 3 point range, only turns 24 in October and is on a cheap 2nd round contract for another year. All reasons why Philly wouldn't trade him but given all their F/C assets, maybe. His wingspan is kind of lacking for a PF/C at 7'1.5, but nothing too terrible and after the all star break, he averaged 13.6 pgg, 6.9rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.2 bpg, 1.0spg on .581/.345/.774 shooting in 26.9 minutes of play. 2.5 3PA per game. In his college career, he shot .554/.353/.697.
Thing is, he could easily be a starter while only playing 10 minutes a game. They could do what the Bucks did last year with Thon Maker. Start him for the first 5-6 minutes of each half and 13-14 minutes a night. Hell, Amir only got 20.
People are getting way too horny about the term starter.
Again, your starting center averaged 20 minutes a game last year. If Zizic can't give you 20. can he give you 15? How many minutes can he give you off the bench? Just make those minutes starter minutes. The term starter everyone is getting hung up on means nothing. No one thinks he's going to start and play 30 minutes.
If they signed Olynyk, it's still a better fit with Zizic starting and Olynyk off the bench. They'll have two guys in their rotation that the other team won't respect at all to shoot from the perimeter, Zizic and Smart. If Zizic starts, they aren't on the floor together as often as they would be if Zizic came off the bench.
I also feel like they may just go small even more, spend the vast majority of the game with three of: Bradley, Smart, Crowder, Hayward (assuming he signs), Brown, Tatum at the 2-4. Using a traditional big more would be matchup dependent.
Which is fine as long as he signs. If it was such a slam dunk though, you'd think GH would have already made an announcement. Obviously none of this matters if the GH signing comes through, but if not I think Ainge is going to really regret not reaching out to Milsap and/or Gallnari. I still think this means he never had any interest in either, which really is surprising...
I hope not. He's a terrible fit next to Horford and if he doesn't like SA's system he isn't going to like the Celtics.
It will be interesting to see the next shoe drop though. This was the first domino. I wouldn't be surprised to see 4-5 other moves announced by the Celtics in the next week.
I'm guessing their starting center will be Horford. They have a ton of young options at pf, starting with Tatum and Yabusele. And don't forget Crowder if he's still around.
So what happens now with Hayward apparently in the fold? It looks like Bradley or Crowder will have to go unless Hayward agrees to take less than the max. Olynyk too. (I believe if they simply pull his qualifying offer his cap hold remains. In order to remove the hold they must renounce him, and lose Bird rights.) They must renounce Jerebko and Gerald Green too.
Horford Zizic
Tatum Yabusele, Theiss
Brown (Crowder?) Ojeleye
Hayward (Bradley?)
IT, Smart Rozier (Jackson?)
Other options: Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird, cheap veteran free agents.
So what happens now with Hayward apparently in the fold? It looks like Bradley or Crowder will have to go unless Hayward agrees to take less than the max. Olynyk too. (I believe if they simply pull his qualifying offer his cap hold remains. In order to remove the hold they must renounce him, and lose Bird rights.) They must renounce Jerebko and Gerald Green too.
Horford Zizic
Tatum Yabusele, Theiss
Brown (Crowder?) Ojeleye
Hayward (Bradley?)
IT, Smart Rozier (Jackson?)
Other options: Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird, cheap veteran free agents.
Did the Celtics renounce all the "old" cap holds to get Horford last season? I thought there were some that remained from the mid-2000s
They renounced all those old cap holds in 2015 to sign Amir. Nice knowing you Carlos Arroyo!
If we could get Hayward locked up, could we make a S&T for Green or is their cap issues stopping us? Seem's like a good fit.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246741/JaMychal-Green-Pursuing-Sign-And-Trade-Offers
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246741/JaMychal-Green-Pursuing-Sign-And-Trade-Offers
Thank you, KO...
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Boston has renounced restricted free agent Kelly Olynyk, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN.
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Boston has renounced restricted free agent Kelly Olynyk, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN.
It would've been Olynyk/Jerebko, but they just renounced Olynyk.
They must have a trade/signing for a big locked in or they're going to play really small.
Mickey is getting cut and 2 of the other 3 there are likely getting traded for no salary to get Hayward in. It would have to be something like trading Marcus and Jackson for no salary to get Hayward, then Crowder and Bradley for Green.... which seems like a terrible deal to me.
They don't have an option. They need to dump all the FA holds plus cut Mickey, plus move at least 1 maybe 2 other contracts via trade just to sign Hayward.
The Bigs will likely come from the room exception and minimum exceptions.
I'm aware, his question was what would've been available to sign and trade for Hayward. Not what's left to sign and trade after we sign Hayward into cap space. Unless I misunderstood the question.
It's why I said, would've been.
Edit: yep, I misunderstood the question. Was referring to Jamychal Green. I still have Hayward brain.
Yeah, I was thinking it would have to be AB+Crowder too and that would be awulf but I guess it depends on Green's contract. Seems non max players aren't really getting paid this off season unless it's 1 year deals. Is he going to get 3/30 or 3/48?
So he can play 70 games over the next 2 years? No thanks. I'd rather they target Alan Williams.
They need a mobile 4 who can defend both the perimeter and the paint more than a true 5 like Chandler. Noel seems to fit that niche, but I have no idea how that would work salary wise.
I don't think trading for Chandler clears any salary, which is what really needs to happen.
It's not enough salary difference so you would still need to make an additional subtractive move.
Crowder hangs around if only because of how cheap he's going to be *after* next year. Bradley and Smart are just going to get too expensive. And Bradley, as much as I love him, is a 2 who can't pass or defend 2's, and he's overvalued, I'm guessing, around the league for his defensive reputation. We can probably get the most return for him.
This team is going to feature some extremely long, versatile line-ups. We'll surely see Brown - Hayward - Tatum all on the floor at the same time.
This team is going to feature some extremely long, versatile line-ups. We'll surely see Brown - Hayward - Tatum all on the floor at the same time.
Alas, that's true. I guess Bradley for a young, inexpensive big is more feasible.
Makes no sense unless they move Horford in the deal. It would 3 of AB/IT4/Crowder/Smart.
I have had enough blue balls already this off season. Call me up when the trade is completed.
I imagine we have to send them their pick back as part of the deal. ...,ugh, see...I can't help myself.
Love the fit, but don't see how Gasol gets done. Crowder, Bradley, Smart, + need more salary, LAL/SAC pick or Memphis pick?
Interesting Gasol added a 3 pt shot last year and did quite well with it (38.8% in 268 attempts). Would be a great addition if they can swing it.
If it is within 5%, they are fine to make a trade. They would still have to move Rozier+Jackson+1m prior to trading for Gasol as well. There is no way Gasol is coming to Boston. Guessing someone just made this rumor up without actually looking into the logistics.
Gasol's on a great contract as it's the old max, but the Celtics would still have trouble fitting him and Hayward, and I assume they would have to give up a ton to get him. Are the Grizzlies really going in the tank? And then why would they want any of the Celtics contracts. It's a nice dream I guess but can't see it being any more serious than that. As well, to make the logistics work you're talking about probably dealing away 5-6 guys to fit Gasol and Hayward. So a nice starting lineup but not any depth at all other than Tatum. (I think you have to think Brown is going to Memphis in these scenarios)
Maybe it would be Horford and picks because they don't want to move on from one of Smart/AB/Crowder to fit Gordon? Free up enough with the Horford /Gasol swap to get Hayward. Looks like top many guards/wings but what do I know. It doesn't seem like moving 6 guys or Tatum/Brown makes sense. Probably there just isn't anything to it
Horford for Gasol doesn't work since Memphis is over the cap. They would have to include someone else. You aren't clearing cap space with Memphis.
I don't think it works for either Boston or Memphis to extend IT and use his new salary as basis for a deal for Gasol...or that it is cap-legal. Anyone have a perspective on any of those pieces?
I don't think anyone is taking an extended IT until he's playing again. I think in particular a team that last off-season gave the richest contract in NBA history to its point guard is all that interested in having another $20 million+ point guard.