2017-18 NBA Regular Season Game/Observation Thread

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Every player has different weaknesses in their game (I mean except Lebron and Durant. I don't think they even own weaknesses). In some cases where you go to spend a year (or, 2, 3, even sometimes 4) playing college basketball can be an opportunity to work on those weaknesses. Tatum wanted to work on his three point shot, so he went to Duke (for instance).

I just say this to say that obviously there are great players in all kinds of conferences. But Jordan Bell's specific weakness is a mental one. He shrinks. During a regular season game he's just tremendous. But if you turn the lights on? He crumbles. And I am just suggesting that he could have worked on this weakness by playing Big Time college basketball, where the stakes are lower than the NBA, as opposed to taking the 10-20K to play at Oregon. Now, I don't know his financial situation so it could have been that $$$ was needed. If so, I retract (though presumably he could have gone the Louisville route).

The thing is...all this is moot. Steve Kerr is a smart dude. He's going to play and feature Bell this year and get his main guys lots of rest. And then when the playoffs come around he'll staple Bell to the bench where he can't do any damage, perhaps giving him some pity minutes late in games in blowouts. But Kerr knows what we know and saw what we all saw. When the moment came, Jordan Bell exited the stage.

This is complete and utter nonsense. In the Elite 8 against Kansas, hardly a dimly lit game, Bell was a monster with 11 points (5/6 fg), 13 rebounds, 8 blocks, and 4 assists.

In the game you like to point to, he scored 13 (5/7 fg), 16 rebounds, 4 blocks, an assist and a steal. He carried his team in the tournament and fell just short of getting them to the finals.
 

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Hmm, does that explain some of Rozier's inconsistency? Maybe I'm off base, but he seems to jump out of the building 75% of the time.
I think it has something to do with it, particularly when he's trying to shoot off the dribble. Apparently he worked quite a bit this summer in being more consistent with his shooting (among other things). I'm sure his leaping ability makes it hard for him to keep his timing and to jump straight up consistently.

Note that on catch and shoot jumpers, his EFG% is 59.5% while on pull-ups its 49.6%.
 

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I think it has something to do with it, particularly when he's trying to shoot off the dribble. Apparently he worked quite a bit this summer in being more consistent with his shooting (among other things). I'm sure his leaping ability makes it hard for him to keep his timing and to jump straight up consistently.

Note that on catch and shoot jumpers, his EFG% is 59.5% while on pull-ups its 49.6%.

Is Rozier really that inconsistent? It's only his 2nd full season so we should expect some improvement from last year. He is up to .379 from 3, which is a pretty huge leap from the .318 he shot last year, but it's not like it was a huge sample either. He was 57-179 last year, he is already 66-174 this year. Pretty much everyone thought Rozier had the talent to shoot the 3, he is now doing it. It seems Rozier has been around forever, but again, this is really his 2nd full season. He played a little over 300 minutes his rookie season.

Month by month from 3: .345, .378, .369, and .667 in 1 January game.
 

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I know he's been mentioned before, but Tyreke Evans really is having a great comeback year. He is arguably having his best season ever. Now up to 19.6/5.1/4.6 on .473/.422/.782 shooting. What would it take to acquire him? The Clippers pick seems like the obvious trade chip. Lou Williams is looking like less of an option day by day.
 

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IT is back--be interesting to track his minutes now.
Isaiah is going to take LeBron's minutes?

This silly talk about LBJ minutes happens every year. I dunno.....the best basketball players should play the most minutes on your team. LBJ is so strong and athletic that him playing 40 mpg is probably akin to a lesser athletic player exerting the same amount of energy in 30 minutes or so. We went through this last year.....we'll probably continue next year. It's about as big a nothing-to-see-here as there is in the league.
 

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Hmm, does that explain some of Rozier's inconsistency? Maybe I'm off base, but he seems to jump out of the building 75% of the time.
I won't comment on Rozier specifically but WBCD is correct in the case of a player using his jumping ability as a part of his jump shooting mechanics. The reason is that the shooter would have a different release point based on how far he is off the ground which typically is the case with younger players.....and you can't practice replication if the height of your jump is inconsistent. Once they mature and understand the mechanics of shooting you'll see most of the veteran players consistently only getting a few inches off the ground on their shot similar to how Pierce adapted with age. This was D-Wade's greatest problem with outside shooting when he was with the Heat.
 

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Not sure where else to put this, but dropped into an ESPN article about declining NFL ratings was this little nugget:

The NFL isn't in a vacuum, as the viewership drop is indicative of the general environment as less television is being watched and cable subscriptions have declined. The NBA, however, has seen a 20 percent increase in viewership this season as compared to 2016-17.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21960086/nfl-television-ratings-97-percent-2017-regular-season

Maybe Adam Silver should be the one making $40 million a year.
 

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Not sure where else to put this, but dropped into an ESPN article about declining NFL ratings was this little nugget:



http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21960086/nfl-television-ratings-97-percent-2017-regular-season

Maybe Adam Silver should be the one making $40 million a year.
When Silver increases the leagues revenue numbers through brilliant TV rights marketing deals as Goodell has then I'm sure he will. The NBA's growth opportunity isn't even here in the States but overseas, particularly in Asia. Silver has the opportunity to do some amazing things over the next decade plus.
 

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The NBA's growth opportunity isn't even here in the States but overseas, particularly in Asia..
Except for the fact that this column says viewership in the US has increased 20% this year. So there has been opportunity in the states and the NBA is capitalizing on it.
 

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Except for the fact that this column says viewership in the US has increased 20% this year. So there has been opportunity in the states and the NBA is capitalizing on it.
I think these are two separate topics. The overseas population is starving for more NBA stuff and has been for years/decades.......the increased American viewership has to do with the incredible product that we've seen this year.
 

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Isaiah is going to take LeBron's minutes?
Come on man---with a better player being added to the mix, there *should* be more games where the Cavs have a big lead AND Lebron can sit more with IT4 out there to still create scoring for the Cavs.
 

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I think these are two separate topics. The overseas population is starving for more NBA stuff and has been for years/decades.......the increased American viewership has to do with the incredible product that we've seen this year.
And I agree that both are opportunities for the NBA. And they will capitalize on both. The NFL will continue to weaken, there's just too much carnage and that's going to cost eyeballs. Those eyeballs will go to the NBA. They already are.
 

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It sort of seems as if the C's missed a shot to add some scoring depth by grabbing Gerald Green. I know he plays no defense but he can still stroke it.
 

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It sort of seems as if the C's missed a shot to add some scoring depth by grabbing Gerald Green. I know he plays no defense but he can still stroke it.
Agreed. If I had to choose between Abdel Nader and Gerald Green, I’m choosing Green every time. But clearly Brad/Danny didn’t want him for whatever reason.
 

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LOL @ Iguodala doing the "who, me?" after shoving Green to the ground on that 3.
 

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The Splash Brothers go for 29 and 28 (10 of 19 from 3) and Draymond Green with the triple double on the road against the Rockets (albeit absent Harden). Fun to see the actual organic team (i.e. minus KD).
 

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Fun to see the actual organic team.
I love this. I feel like the team could totally play it up by wearing hemp uniforms with vegetable-dye colors and open-toed shoes on games when KD is out. And playing the games in Berkeley, with Bill Walton announcing.

Seems like Durant may be out at least another game or two with the calf strain, so we get to see the organic team for a bit longer before they bring back the Slim Reaper. I have to say, it is fun to watch the Splash Bros going into full launch mode when they know they have to carry the team offensively.

Speaking of launching: Gerald Green (21-37 from 3 in 122 minutes with the Rox) is totally ridiculous. Not surprising the Rockets just locked him down with a guaranteed contract. Gotta figure he'll cool off eventually, but man, I wish he had landed with the Celtics.

In other news, Kevon Looney got most of Jordan Bell's minutes in the second half, which could mean Kerr preferred Loon's 7'-4" wingspan and defensive discipline on all the CP3/Capela P&Rs (he raved about Looney's defensive IQ after the game), or could mean he's been reading Zoolight's posts. o_O
 

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I love this. I feel like the team could totally play it up by wearing hemp uniforms with vegetable-dye colors and open-toed shoes on games when KD is out. And playing the games in Berkeley, with Bill Walton announcing.

Seems like Durant may be out at least another game or two with the calf strain, so we get to see the organic team for a bit longer before they bring back the Slim Reaper. I have to say, it is fun to watch the Splash Bros going into full launch mode when they know they have to carry the team offensively.

Speaking of launching: Gerald Green (21-37 from 3 in 122 minutes with the Rox) is totally ridiculous. Not surprising the Rockets just locked him down with a guaranteed contract. Gotta figure he'll cool off eventually, but man, I wish he had landed with the Celtics.

In other news, Kevon Looney got most of Jordan Bell's minutes in the second half, which could mean Kerr preferred Loon's 7'-4" wingspan and defensive discipline on all the CP3/Capela P&Rs (he raved about Looney's defensive IQ after the game), or could mean he's been reading Zoolight's posts. o_O
Bell got abused on defense against Houston, especially when getting switched on to Paul and Gordon. No shame in that, especially for a rookie. But Kerr clearly had no patience for that sort of breakdown against a big conference rival.
 

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Hornets favoured by 2.5 pts in Staples tonight.

Looking forward to a couple of Laker losses over the next 3 home games and some honest commentary from LaVar.
 

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Hornets favoured by 2.5 pts in Staples tonight.

Looking forward to a couple of Laker losses over the next 3 home games and some honest commentary from LaVar.
Charlotte up 15 at the half, 63-48. Lonzo with a team-worst -12 in his first game back from the injury.
 

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It's crazy to me that Gerald Green was just sitting around waiting for Houston to call him up. Like; the Hawks, Mavs, Hornets, Bulls etc. couldn't use him? Also, Kevin Harlan is the best.

 

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I think these are two separate topics. The overseas population is starving for more NBA stuff and has been for years/decades.......the increased American viewership has to do with the incredible product that we've seen this year.
Looking back, the 2000-2002 rules changes on illegal defense, hand checks, etc. might be considered as one of the most significant in the league's history. Right after the shot clock and the three point line. It just took a while for the effects to really reveal themselves.
 

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Blake just took an elbow from McGee and he's dead. Not actually dead but he's been down for a while now.


Out with a concussion. His hands were shaking Tom Savage like. Scary stuff
 
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Man, I hope he's okay, but that guy just can't stay on the court. Always something it seems. Didn't he just get back from his latest injury?
 

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Curry (per 36 min.)

Unanimous MVP season: 31.7 pts on .669 true shooting / 5.7 reb / 7.0 ast / 3.5 tov
2017-18 season (updated): 30.8 pts on .668 true shooting / 5.8 reb / 7.0 ast / 3.1 tov
 

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Also ... get well soon, Blake. When they showed the close up of his hand trembling like that, all manner of terrifying shit went through my head for a few seconds (Darryl Stingley stuff, basically). Very relieved that it was "only" a pretty bad bell-ringing.
 

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LeBron's running away with the MVP right now, but I'm still not sure how wise it is to be playing him 38 minutes in random games v. Orlando. Their defense sucks so badly that they need to do that to win games against crap teams (adding IT4 to the #28 ranked defense in the league, lol), but at what cost?

If I'm the Cavs I'm starting to ponder the possibility of giving him a couple-week vacation and just living with the 3rd or 4th seed. Curry right now looks like a man transformed after his one-month layoff.
 
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IT with a 19 points on 7/13 shooting in 21 minutes. They have to be feeling pretty good right now because he looks as good as he did last season when he was an MVP candidate.
 

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LeBron's running away with the MVP right now, but I'm still not sure how wise it is to be playing him 38 minutesin random games v. Orlando. Their defense sucks so badly that they need to do that to win games against crap teams (adding IT4 to the #28 ranked defense in the league, lol), but at what cost?

If I'm the Cavs I'm starting to ponder the possibility of giving him a couple-week vacation and just living with the 3rd or 4th seed. Curry right now looks like a man transformed after his one-month layoff.
It's just basketball. Athletes and conditioning evolve and considering he's one of the greatest athletes across all sports, is it really far fetched he could keep this up? I don't think it is. I honestly don't know what the big deal is.
 

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IT with a 19 points on 7/13 shooting in 21 minutes. They have to be feeling pretty good right now because he looks as good as he did last season when he was an MVP candidate.
The Cavs played one of the worst teams in the NBA on three days' rest, with their full, healthy squad and a ton of motivation to show what they're made of after a rough stretch capped by an embarrassing loss to the Celtics. And went out and gave up 127 points to the #26 ranked offense in the NBA.

I mean, they should feel pretty good that they're finally healthy, and that IT looks great, but they've got a lot of work to get to the level of an elite team right now. Teams with #28-ranked defenses and +2.5 net ratings tend not to end well.
 
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It's just basketball. Athletes and conditioning evolve and considering he's one of the greatest athletes across all sports, is it really far fetched he could keep this up? I don't think it is. I honestly don't know what the big deal is.
The deal is there have been recent studies showing that marginally increasing rest can marginally decrease the risk of injury. It's why big stars almost never play 38-40 mpg anymore. More anecdotally, those increases in rest also tend to play big dividends in terms of late-season and playoff performance. The one time LeBron managed to get past the Warriors was the season where he took two weeks off midseason, came back totally refreshed, and beasted all the way through the 2016 finals. In the 2015 playoffs, he put up .487 true shooting trying to carry his depleted team as the Warriors army of young, 6'-8" guys ran roughshod over him. In 2017, KD — who had had a month of rest before the playoffs — scored on him like he wasn't there (35 ppg on .700 true shooting).

He's now 33, with (currently) a pretty big margin to close on the Raptors and Celtics, let alone the Warriors. I'd think he'd embrace any marginal edge he could get. He's an incredibly smart guy, though — I imagine he's trying to balance the need for more rest with the need to integrate IT and get the whole team playing at a much higher level.
 

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The deal is there have been recent studies showing that marginally increasing rest can marginally decrease the risk of injury. It's why big stars almost never play 38-40 mpg anymore. More anecdotally, those increases in rest also tend to play big dividends in terms of late-season and playoff performance. The one time LeBron managed to get past the Warriors was the season where he took two weeks off midseason, came back totally refreshed, and beasted all the way through the 2016 finals. In the 2015 playoffs, he put up .487 true shooting trying to carry his depleted team as the Warriors army of young, 6'-8" guys ran roughshod over him. In 2017, KD — who had had a month of rest before the playoffs — scored on him like he wasn't there (35 ppg on .700 true shooting).

He's now 33, with (currently) a pretty big margin to close on the Raptors and Celtics, let alone the Warriors. I'd think he'd embrace any marginal edge he could get. He's an incredibly smart guy, though — I imagine he's trying to balance the need for more rest with the need to integrate IT and get the whole team playing at a much higher level.
That’s not fair to LeBron. The Cavs were banged up the first finals. The second they won. Last year GS was too good. I don’t think four minutes of rest in January is going to make a difference. He knows what he needs to do.
 

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Curry is having a great season but he has missed too many games to refer to it as anything other than a great Curry season. With Harden getting trolled into mental mistakes by Marcus Smart and then tweaking his hamstring, LeBron is now the clear front-runner for MVP.

I am in between ElUno and SRN here in that I think LeBron is clearly conditioned to play all these minutes but the Cavs are tempting fate by not trying to find a 33 year old who has played 14+ regular seasons plus the equivalent of ~ 2.7 more full, high-leverage seasons (in the playoffs) more rest. The reality is that the regular season matters less for the Cavs than it does other teams. Maybe with Thomas return, they can give him a bit more of a respite but it also won't be a surprise if his minutes stay elevated.
 

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The Cavs played one of the worst teams in the NBA on three days' rest, with their full, healthy squad and a ton of motivation to show what they're made of after a rough stretch capped by an embarrassing loss to the Celtics. And went out and gave up 127 points to the #26 ranked offense in the NBA.

I mean, they should feel pretty good that they're finally healthy, and that IT looks great, but they've got a lot of work to get to the level of an elite team right now. Teams with #28-ranked defenses and +2.5 net ratings tend not to end well.
I was just referring to how IT has been playing. I don’t think their chances of winning a title are very good since the league’s second best player decided to join the best team in the league.