LMaM was +57 and that is a record: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21523481/luc-mbah-moute-houston-rockets-plus-57-win
2017-18 NBA Regular Season Game/Observation Thread
- Thread starter DeJesus Built My Hotrod
- Start date
Crowder has been somewhat better of late. Looks like he may have adjusted to his new role.
Magic have lost 6 straight but they've had some tough opponents and it doesn't get easier as they play the Celtics, 76ers, and Pacers on the road followed by OKC and GSW at home.
Magic have lost 6 straight but they've had some tough opponents and it doesn't get easier as they play the Celtics, 76ers, and Pacers on the road followed by OKC and GSW at home.
Last edited:
I guess it depends what you mean. The league seems less top heavy but far deeper than it's been in awhile, especially in the east. I've also seen enough of Paul and Harden to say the verdict is in. They work well together and the team still has plenty of depth.
I wouldn't have thought the Knicks would be any good this year going into the season, but I also didn't think Porzingis would make this huge a leap. Hardaway was also terrible in the first week of games but has been shooting better since then.
The issue in both leagues is that after the best 2 teams in the league, there is very little separation from 3-8, in the east it's probably 3-12. At least currently.
I've no idea how they do it, I watched the Sixers game they were the worst team the whole game, Sixers played like ass and down to their level.
This is a brutal offensive team.
The only other possible PG option is Jawun Evans. The only other backup guard is Sindarius Thornwell. I'm thinking Doc's hands are kinda tied right now regarding Austin's minutes.....he's pretty necessary to be out on the floor for the Clips right now.
Ugh. I get it. Logically it makes sense but he's just such a terrible terrible offensive player. He has really poor rhythm and chemistry with any breathing body wearing a Clipper uni.
I don't what the numbers say about him this year but just watching every game he is an abysmal option at point guard.
Of course I don't disagree but there are worse options.......Jawun Evans as a rookie is likely one of them. He's committed 11 PF's in his last 4 games covering 51 minutes along with 4 TO's. Rivers has committed 9 and 7 during those last 4 games covering nearly 3x as many minutes. Considering that Rivers is defending elite PG's most of his minutes while Evans is constantly fouling 2nd unit guys it would appear on paper that Evans isn't anywhere ready to be able to take on a greater responsibility based on defense alone.
Maybe West/Frank got too late of a start in building this team or maybe West is pulling a Phil by not caring while Frank isn't a competent GM? Either way it must be so frustrating all these years being a Clipper fan to watch Rivers (and now West/Frank) fail to add pieces around a seemingly solid core.
Well in fairness Rivers was something like the 4th guard on this team starting the season, wasn't he? I'm still interested in seeing Teodosic when he comes back and is able to adjust to the NBA game.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 3m3 minutes ago
Story with @mcten filed to ESPN: Cavaliers guard Derrick Rose is away from team and evaluating his future in basketball, league sources tell ESPN. Story soon on site.
Story with @mcten filed to ESPN: Cavaliers guard Derrick Rose is away from team and evaluating his future in basketball, league sources tell ESPN. Story soon on site.
Amazing. 2nd year in a row he's doing this except this time he had the decency to tell his team he left.
I'm not a huge D-Rose fan, but it must really suck, mentally, to be that good and athletically superior and then feel like it was all randomly taken away.
To be honest, though, his athleticism was due in part to putting more torque on the human body than it was designed to handle. It's not as if he had a single freak injury that took away his athleticism.
If I were a Knicks fan, I would similarly be terrified that Porzingis might have Marfan syndrome.
Warriors without KD and Draymond trail the Bulls 32-29 after the 1st Q ... win 143-94.
Jordan Bell starts and chips in 7 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, and 6 blocks in 26 mins.
The cash considerations the Bulls got for Bell: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.
Jordan Bell starts and chips in 7 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, and 6 blocks in 26 mins.
The cash considerations the Bulls got for Bell: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.
I saw the 6 blocks and thought "wow." Golden State with the second-round steal. Oddly though, he only played 3 minutes in the 4 previous games. Not sure what's going on with that.
The Bulls is a great game for Bell to shine in. The reason for his limited minutes in other games is that you cannot have him out there when the lights are on.
Kerr hasn't specifically commented on it, but I'd assume some of it is his fondness for Kevon Looney, who's a less explosive athlete than Bell but more under control and a bit longer. He surprised a lot of Ws observers this offseason by showing up in fantastic shape (now over a year removed from hip surgery) and killing it in training camp. I'd assume based on his consistent minutes that he continues to get after in practice, and he's also been very good in his 149 minutes on court: 11 pts on 59% FG, 9 reb, 3 blk per 36. On the defensive end, anecdotally, he seems to miss fewer assignments than Bell (stayed with Markkanen on the perimeter better than Bell did last night, e.g.), and he's more versatile and switchable than JaVale McGee.
I'm sure Kerr likes Bell, too, but as he's said, he has "a lot of mouths to feed" (especially at big, between Green, KD, Zaza, West, McGee, Casspi, Looney, Bell, and Damian Jones). He said he actually likes it when the core guys need a rest day, or have a mild ankle tweak, etc. as it allows him to get the deep bench guys more run.
Steph Curry shoots 36% from the field and 23.1% from deep in the Warriors 110-95 victory over the New Orleans BrowRondoBoogies. The decline has begun*.
Speaking of Rajon, he was 0-9 from the field tonight with four misses from deep for a zero point, three rebound, six assist, three turnover night in 26 minutes. -10 in BPM. This makes me sad.
*#trollingSRN
Speaking of Rajon, he was 0-9 from the field tonight with four misses from deep for a zero point, three rebound, six assist, three turnover night in 26 minutes. -10 in BPM. This makes me sad.
*#trollingSRN
Top 15 in plus-minus at (roughly) the quarter-mark:
+218 Curry, GS
+197 Horford, Bos
+189 Gordon, Hou
+174 Brown, Bos
+167 Harden, Hou
+163 Ariza, Hou
+147 Smart, Bos
+147 Irving, Bos
+145 Durant, GS
+127 Covington, Phi
+127 Anderson, Hou
+125 Tucker, Hou
+120 Green, GS
+118 Porter, Was
+113 (tie) Korver, Cle / Embiid, Phi
+218 Curry, GS
+197 Horford, Bos
+189 Gordon, Hou
+174 Brown, Bos
+167 Harden, Hou
+163 Ariza, Hou
+147 Smart, Bos
+147 Irving, Bos
+145 Durant, GS
+127 Covington, Phi
+127 Anderson, Hou
+125 Tucker, Hou
+120 Green, GS
+118 Porter, Was
+113 (tie) Korver, Cle / Embiid, Phi
Gordon, Ariza, Anderson and Tucker? Heh, James Harden is good. Those 4 players are decent enough but wow.
That just states how good James Harden is, at least in terms of +/-. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM
https://deadspin.com/giannis-antetokounmpo-shouts-ill-fuck-you-up-at-bucks-1820748989
The wheels seem to be coming off a bit for the Bucks. That's about as good of a meltdown that you'll ever see, he was totally out of control.
The wheels seem to be coming off a bit for the Bucks. That's about as good of a meltdown that you'll ever see, he was totally out of control.
My favorite part of that article is the first comment "42 wins means 40 losses, not a lot different than 9-9."
Deadspin's takes/analysis are so terrible.
Yeah. It's not a Latrell Sprewell/P.J. Carlesimo incident. Also, the Bucks could be much better come February/March if Jabari comes back fully healthy.
I once saw LeBron lose his shit on Mario Chalmers and then two minutes later apologize on the sidelines. Tempers flare up all the time in the NBA and these guys occasionally get into it on the sidelines. If Giannis broke his hand punching the equipment manager; then it would be a big deal.
And whose teams are good because of them.
Fwiw, none of the top 3 are the top guys on their teams in minutes played.
In answer to an earlier query: if we want it sorted by minute or per 100 possessions, NBA.com and the BB-Ref team on-off pages are both good resources.
Total plus minus: https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?PerMode=Totals&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season
Per 100 possessions: https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?PerMode=Per100Possessions&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season
I actually like seeing the total raw number unadjusted for playing time (since minutes played does actually matter) but of course both have their place.
RPM and RAPM also have their place in that they attempt to give a sense of “most positive player independent of context” by regressing for quality of teammate, opponent, etc. (using a box score component in the case of ESPN’s RPM.) My only issue with them is that by nature they’re “sausage-stats:” the formulas that go into then are complex and usually pretty opaque, so you’re ultimately taking a stat guy’s word for it. The raw number has a clarity and simplicity that the adjusted ones don’t, even if its usefulness for assessing something like “best context-independent players” is limited.
Fwiw, none of the top 3 are the top guys on their teams in minutes played.
In answer to an earlier query: if we want it sorted by minute or per 100 possessions, NBA.com and the BB-Ref team on-off pages are both good resources.
Total plus minus: https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?PerMode=Totals&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season
Per 100 possessions: https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?PerMode=Per100Possessions&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season
I actually like seeing the total raw number unadjusted for playing time (since minutes played does actually matter) but of course both have their place.
RPM and RAPM also have their place in that they attempt to give a sense of “most positive player independent of context” by regressing for quality of teammate, opponent, etc. (using a box score component in the case of ESPN’s RPM.) My only issue with them is that by nature they’re “sausage-stats:” the formulas that go into then are complex and usually pretty opaque, so you’re ultimately taking a stat guy’s word for it. The raw number has a clarity and simplicity that the adjusted ones don’t, even if its usefulness for assessing something like “best context-independent players” is limited.
Last edited:
Still amazes me how good the Rockets have been because on a pure talent level, they don't match up with other teams. The sum of the whole is more than the individual parts, at least when Chris Paul was out. You wonder if their entire success is based on the fact they shoot 15 more 3s a game than their opponent despite averaging 1.2 less FGs a game. They also get to the line 4.5 more times, too. 53% of their shots have been from 3 this year and they are averaging 10.6 more attempts per game than the 2nd place team, the Nets, and 11 more than GS. Harden may regress from 3 a little, but that should be cancelled out by Gordon. Kind of amazing, really. They also lead the league in 2 point %.
Harden is first in 3PA, Gordon 3rd, Anderson 11th, Ariza 15th. By attempts per game, they are 1,2, 9,10.
Harden is first in 3PA, Gordon 3rd, Anderson 11th, Ariza 15th. By attempts per game, they are 1,2, 9,10.
Last edited:
Nets end up with the W. MEM has lost 11 out of their last 13.
I wonder which conference will end up sending a below .500 team to the playoffs?
The minutes the wolves starters are putting up under Thibs is totally insane
Vs the lowly suns and wiggins has 40 minutes towns 39.....He won't learn
edit also I was not a fan of Josh JAckson as I mentioned but damn he's is playing worse than even I thought.
per 100 he got 84 orating and 109 drating
for a sweet net of -25 woof
Vs the lowly suns and wiggins has 40 minutes towns 39.....He won't learn
edit also I was not a fan of Josh JAckson as I mentioned but damn he's is playing worse than even I thought.
per 100 he got 84 orating and 109 drating
for a sweet net of -25 woof
Last edited:
The combined scores of quarters 1 and 3:
Chicago: 32
Miami: 26
The combined scores of quarters 2 and 4:
Miami: 74
Chicago: 61
Wow. I guess Marc Gasol really is that franchise? One fourth quarter benching and it's Fizdale's head on a platter?
No idea what went on behind closed doors, but he always came off as super smart and cool in interviews; and I also thought he did a pretty great job with that team when he had the horses. Conley's always been the straw that stirs the drink for them; their collapse when he went down shouldn't have surprised anyone.
Seems totally weird on its face. I'd guess a good ~25% of the teams in the league would do well to fire their head coach and snap Fizdale up (the Clips, for instance...?)
I'm not super familiar with the situation but there has been some smoke behind the scenes about the majority owner Robert Pera and the minority owners trying to buy him out. The Grizzlies also fired Dave Joerger, who I feel like was also a respected coach that had done a good job, and replaced him with Fizdale. Neither have stayed in Memphis very long. For a team that has been competitive for a while they have had some real head-scratching front office moves.
I saw Jay King post this idea on Twitter, but I'll share here. Fizdale's firing and the other rumblings around Memphis (Marc Gasol trade) are making that 2019-2021 draft pick more intriguing.
Tough break for my Nuggets. They were just getting comfortable with the rotations and balancing his skillset with the rest of the team.