It's pretty clear Hinkie isn't calling the shots anymore which is why I expect the Sixers to better balance their roster. Those Suns team of years ago under Colangelo were very backcourt heavy. He's always valued this position.
Not that I disagree with you in theory, but Hinkie has been Chris Wallaced. Colangelo is running the Sixers these days.
What if the sweetener is next seasons Nets pick as well? I mean the Sixers are clearly doing something to alleviate the frontcourt logjam this summer and everyone is assuming they will ADD to it by drafting a 4.
It's really amazing that this isn't known by everyone at this point. The Sixers had one representative at the convention with all the other GM's during the all star break.....Colangelo.
Hinkie, Colangelo. Doesn't change the fact that Avery Bradley isn't convincing a team that just sold its fan base on three years to pass on Simmons or Ingram.
Okay, sure, that's a hell of a sweetener. Usually that's not how people use the term sweeteners.
Bob, they'd get the C's pick too. C's would be moving up a couple of spots for AB and sweeteners.
He's proposing the C's pick, and the Nets pick next year in fact. Obviously it all depends on talent evaluations, but if the Sixers are in line with conventional wisdom that there are no true game-changers in this draft, I think they'd do that.
Yeah I just think there is the basis of a deal in place and believe Philly is going to be making some big moves this summer while Ainge is also looking to do same.
Does Noel come with that? Aside from that I think Boston just takes the BPA wherever they land.
This seems like a bit of a preposterous stand to take.
Honestly I wouldn't really be interested in moving from four to one as I don't think the talent differential between guys like Dunn and Murray and Ingram are worth what would be demanded. If Boston were drafting first I would feel more comfortable trading down for that reason. Ingram could be Durant Lite, and so could be the one guy that separates from the pack in the long term. But there are no guarantees there.
It's the team friendly deal that I think makes Bradley prime trade bait going forward. Especially for western conference teams with guards that can run their offense out of the 2 spot.
I'm not in Hinkie's head, and I'm certainly nowhere near Colangelo's, but I would be surprised if they viewed things in such a binary sense. As in, ignoring any of the individual players' scouting reports, I doubt they view Simmons as "elite", but someone like Dunn as "not elite". It's more granular than that. I suspect it's more along the lines that they think there's a 50% chance of Simmons turning into an elite guy (about the hit rate for #1 overall), while Dunn is more like a 15% chance or something.
They won a playoff series in the "Evan Turner era" and didn't begin the rebuild until after that, so not sure the Turner pick's really relevant.
I think everyone is looking for a reason not to draft Simmons number one, and there are some legitimate concerns (particularly his shooting and lackluster defense). And when you look at the teams likely drafting early, Ingram is a better fit for most of the teams, particularly PHI and LA. But I don't know how much weight I'm putting into Simmons not having the drive or that coaches/teammates don't like him. I think everyone expected him to carry LSU to a great record and a tourney run and when it didn't happen, everyone put that on him, which isn't fair. They just weren't a very good team.
I disagree with the assumption that losing your starting 4 and 5 who are both in the NBA while being replaced by two freshman isn't devastating to your team. Throw in that your new starting 2 is a borderline D-1 player much less a SEC starter and you have a pretty terrible college basketball team. I'm not sure what more Simmons could have done with that group especially with the college rules that make life miserable for non-shooters.
He definitely stood out to me when going against Texas. Absolutely ate B12 DPOY Prince Ibeh up in late January. Showed some great ball skills and great touch around the rim. There's not many if any real bigs I saw this year that had his post skills. Think the game against WSU was more of an anomaly than anything.
He wasn't exactly strong against Tenn or A+M either - only grabbing 2 rebounds in both contests. Would like to see him be more aggressive on offense because there are definitely some skills there. I'm sure he'll be under consideration for the Dallas pick or a trade up from the Celtics' pick.
The 2007 Texas Longhorns (coached by Rick Barnes) who went from 1st to 3rd in the Big 12 also come to mind...
The dropoff from last summers draft is even more significant than I originally thought. Add in that Bender won't be coming over immediately and the rookie class looks really suspect as a whole.
