Richardson could go anywhere from 12 to 35. Given the salary structure, it behooves any first rounder to come out ASAP.
2016 NBA Draft
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Their pick goes to Philly, though, if it isn't top 3, right? So Simmons will only work out for a team that may not even have a shot at him? Seems more likely that LA - if they don't have a top 2 pick- will need to move up for him.
Agree about Grant and McCullough but Ennis (and probably Richardson with the latest intel) should definitely not be on that list. Ennis went 18th overall, his stock was about as high as it could get and the reason why he went 18th was due to lack of size and athleticism, something that another year of college wouldn't have improved or fixed.
Who knows about Richardson but Chad Ford has him as the 13th overall player on his latest big board and this is a pretty weak draft class (and next year's class is supposed to be very strong) so I understand his thinking.
We'll know the Lakers draft position tonight prior to the workouts. The buzz is that if the Lakers end up at 3 that Simmons won't visit teams at 1 and 2 which is where the Bender/Dunn talk at #2 are coming from.
So you're saying he'll pull an Eli and refuse to go to 1 or 2 if it's not the Lakers? Good luck with that. If this is true I hope the Celtics wind up in a position to get Ingram. Everything about Simmons in the past year or so sounds like he's a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm secretly hoping that the Celtics get Simmons and trade him someplace terrible for a king's ransom. I mentioned when the whole shitty sneaker summit story surfaced that I put him on my list of shitheads, and now I really want to see him someplace like Utah or Orlando or Milwaukee. And I hope the Celtics are the team to get him there for a slagpile of assets.
I think it's incredibly smart for the following reasons:
1. Get paid now not next year
2. Hit FA a year earlier, probably get 1 more year on the end of your career too
3. Syracuse does a shitty job increasing players' draft stock.
I understand why some guys pick Cuse, it's a high profile program, but they don't really develop there, especially since they play zone D so much. I don't think there is any reason to thinl most Syracuse guys would see a big enough jump from late first to be even close to worth the lost year and injury risks. If anything there is a chance they slide
That all assumes that they end up making the team. Lots and lots of 2nd round picks don't make the team and end up never sniffing the NBA or any sort of payday.
No, because he held a "sneaker summit". The latest stories just confirm that he's a shithead of the highest order.
So your problem seems to be more the media coverage then? All the best rookies have presentations from the sneaker companies, same thing happens with shoe deal FAs later. That it was a story has more to do with media coverage than the player.
Edit- also it was slightly more newsworthy because Klutch has steered all their clients to Nike, so them having Simmons meet with Adiddas was pretty interesting for people who follow the shoe deal wars.
If he's not good enough to make the NBA then he's not good enough to vault into the high lottery where it would make a difference in salary. And if he isn't good enough to crack the NBA he won't be cracking the high lottery next year which is a more top heavy draft, which pushes his entry to 2018, meaning two lost years of revenue, a much greater risk of ending damaged goods, and a two year wait for his second deal, which is where the money's made in the NBA.
Simmons can try to exert what leverage he has to go where he wants, but unfortunately for him, NBA rules are pretty ironclad. He'd have to sit out the entire season and then re-enter the draft...and hope that that time around the Lakers are able to get him. And of course by sitting out a full year, he would delay his contract clock, so he'd be pushing back FA and all the "service time" aspects of the cap rules (i.e. the rules that allow longer tenured players to get a larger max deal) back. He'd also be entering a far more loaded draft class, so while the Lakers might have a better shot at him, he'd also make less money as he'd be far less likely to go #1 or #2 in that stacked class. There's just no way that Simmons isn't signing with whoever drafts him, just like no NBA player under the modern draft rules has done (nor any NFL draftee since their rules were changed).
I mean the stories about Simmons refusing to work out for anyone except the Lakers in hopes that he can squeeze extra money out of Nike. So, I will reiterate, I hope that Boston gets his draft rights and exiles him to someplace like Utah for a king's ransom.
Players jockey like this every year. Mudiay refused to workout in Sacramento last year. Porzingis refused to work out for the Sixers. It happens all the time, the only thing that's different with Simmons, as was pointed out already by Cellar Door, is how the media is painting him.
Just about everyone refused to work out for those two teams last year. The Sixers are now off that list thanks to the Colangelos, the Kings are still there. And it's not "jockeying for position" it's "Jesus christ I don't want my client in a fucking lunatic asylum". This is a little different, it's a player that's literally prioritizing a first Nike deal over his playing career. That's not a guy I want to be going to war with.
It's smart. He should want the Lakers over the Sixers for sure.
He's holding out on a shoe deal through the lottery because he knows that LA will give him a big boost in negotiating power.
I don't see how it's prioritizing his shoe deal over his career. He's going either 1 or 2, so unless an unexpected team jumps up tonight the most likely occurrences are that he's going to either PHI or LAL, of those he's better off with LAL not just for his shoe deal, but his basketball career as well.
We'll see what he does if a good basketball situation like BOS or MIN jumps up to the 1/2 spots and LAL fall out. I'd guess he'll then meet with them without a problem. If I'm his agent I still don't want any part of the 76ers, their ownership and front office situation does nothing to inspire confidence, and the roster is a garbage fire with the all of the good players under contract in the 2 positions my client is going to possibly play in the NBA.
Tweet has since been deleted. Will be very interesting to see reactions if Sixers win...
Man it is already being talked about on social media, articles, etc. Like wildfire.
Edit: these posts should probably be in the lotto game thread...
Edit: these posts should probably be in the lotto game thread...
What do you think is more realiatic, that the NBA draft is rigged and Dikembe Mutombo knows about it, or the Sixers marketing department drafted some tweets--along with a hashtag--in case they do win and somebody fucked up?
Has this come up anywhere? I agree there is an absolute zero chance of Simmons not signing with the team that drafts him. The only thing I've heard is that he won't meet with any team prior to the draft besides LA.
This rumor coupled with LA landing at 3 has some camps feeling that if the team at 2 has it close between Simmons and Dunn/Bender that team "may" shy away from a guy who has said he doesn't want to play there while withholding all his medicals. Obviously if the team at 2 doesn't have it close they will still go with Simmons.
The more and more I hear about Simmons the more I don't want him on the Celtics. He seems like a huge headache and a diva.
Thankfully, he's just a basketball player and neither of you are going to war.
Also, I love that last year Porzingis is just being smart by not working out in Philly. But this year, because of the Colangelo family and Ish Smith or whatever, refusing to work out in Philly is a sin of the highest order and Ben Simmons should be burned at the stake for not being a team player.
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Thankfully, neither of you are witches and no one is being burned.
Joking, of course. I agree: the vitriol folks reserve for basketball players who are trying to maximize their income in an environment where almost nothing is guaranteed is baffling. Nevermind the fact that Simmons is still a teenager and therefore allowed to still be an asshole.
I'm going with Door #3: Simmons' handlers are controlling him and the process and he is following their lead.
Ben Simmons and his people know he's the number one pick and they aren't going to do any interviews or workouts that jeopardize that in any way. They probably want to nudge him toward LA for marketing purposes, but I wouldn't read too much into that at this point.
No it doesn't. If it was rigged, the Lakers get the #1 pick, not the team that tanked for the last 37 years. That's not what the NBA wants to reward.
Three things...
1) Money - Most of these players assume they'll hit their "value" around about year 5-6 and at that point are trying to stay healthy to have a long career. One extra "working" year at full market value could be worth more than rising several slots while being indentured.
2) Market - Early 2nd rounders are in the best spot to maximize value on both sides. You show above-slot value early, you can skip the 4 years of team control and negotiate a better deal sooner. I don't recall it having this kind of impact, but it in the current cap environment, it could work to a player's advantage.
3) NBA Readiness - The "open secret" among the NBA smarties is that a player gets more education between D-League and NBA squad (and even in the pros abroad, sometimes) than they do in the NCAA. You're going to see more and more top HS-ers (top-10 types) skip the NCAA cartel altogether.
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Have to assume Ingram to PHI and Simmons to LAL. Celtics auction the #3 pick for a starter or take the best available player.
Per Woj, Kris Dunn doesn't want to play for a team with an established young PG. So he won't be sending his medicals or working out for Boston or Phoenix.
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/inside-kris-dunns-draft-strategy-213211701.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/inside-kris-dunns-draft-strategy-213211701.html
1. IT is 27.
2. IT can play off-ball (see game 3, Hawks series).
Not saying C's should target Dunn, but there's no reason he couldn't coexist productively with IT.
You have to include Marcus Smart in there as well.
I hate this steering to a team by a player's camp stuff. Just like the Sam Bradford situation, it's another example of a player who wants to be handed a position without having to compete for it. It's typical of athletes of this generation who have been handed everything.
I guess. But that seems a weird thing to say about Kris Dunn and what he's gone through.
It's not a statement all about him. I know he's gone through adversity in his life. But my point still stands. Having handlers trying to steer to one team over the other isn't how this is supposed to work.
Why not? This is a profession. I see no issue at all with a player expressing preferences as to where he wants to work and why. And frankly, the notion that this is about athletes "of this generation who have been handed everything" is crazy. Kobe Byrant did this. John Elway did this. Eli Manning did this. Steve Francis did this. JD Drew did this. The list goes on and on.
It works like this in just about every other profession.
I realize these kids are going to make a ton of cash no matter where they go, but I don't have a problem with it. In the end, if Boston wants him, they'll take him, and he'll likely play.
Of course it is. This is why the agents get paid their 4% to put their client in the best possible situation within their control. Dunn is going to be some teams starting PG next year.....ensuring this is why his agent is getting paid.
edit: just saw other responses, didn't mean to pile on.
Bentil finally officially announced that he will remain in the draft. His range seems pretty wide to me without a promise. Could go anywhere from 25-40 imo.