You are correct. I was thinking about his shoulder/rib injury in "12 that turned his season, and the Steelers', south.
His a/c was more recent and his performance the next week very impressive. Ben being Ben.
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His a/c was more recent and his performance the next week very impressive. Ben being Ben.
Here's a study about AC joint injuries in the NFL -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24057030/?i=11&from=ac joint football
Short version - very common injury, most common in QBs. Average return to play was 9.8 days, longer for QBs at 17.3 days
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24057030/?i=11&from=ac joint football
Short version - very common injury, most common in QBs. Average return to play was 9.8 days, longer for QBs at 17.3 days
Eli Manning played a whole season with this injury a few years ago. Mort pronounced him out for the season, and he never missed a game.
It can definitely feel worse - another hit like the one today could certainly make him miserable
So the Bills game in 14 days is a possibility but far from a certainty.
Also, in case it hasn't been posted already, NESN has a decent summary of the available veteran QBs: https://www.google.com/amp/nesn.com/2016/09/which-free-agent-qbs-can-patriots-target-after-jimmy-garoppolo-injury/amp/?client=safari
Bert Breer said he texted player personnel source in the league and asked about possible free agent backups who might help in NE. Breer read the reply on the air:
"LOL. Jimmy Clausen? Haha."
Yeah, there's few front offices around the league feeling sorry for the Pats
The main purpose of bringing in another QB isn't to help the Pats win, it's too avoid a situation where you have to risk injury to someone useful if Brisset goes down. It really doesn't matter who they bring in as 4th string QB as long as they're expendable and durable.
Yes, wish Mort were right. And Eli has not missed a game since 2004.
I suspect these injuries like others have degrees of severity. But I agree with Boggs and don't imagine Edelman is going to be next man up for one game, much less two.
In the deja vu department (stretching it I know), the last time a Boston team relied on a rookie named Jacoby in September, it didn't work out too bad.
I cannot believe I am typing this and it will never happen. But you know if BB phoned Peyton he would take that call. The entirety of non-Patriot NFL fans heads would explode. My God this needs to happen.
I would agree with you but the guy's hands are already numb due to spinal injury, and last year he was a health mess. I don't want to see him get paralyzed on a field in New England. I'm happy to let him sit on his couch.
I agree that the guy is basically a few hits away from being unable to watch Nationwide commercials without taking his pants off but he would largely be signed to carry a clip-board while JB7 runs away from JJ Watt. I don't want Manning anywhere near the field but just the mere thought of the Pats signing him and having him on the bench when Brady returns makes me happy. And I suspect that Peyton Manning would enjoy it too on many levels.
I know it won't happen but it would be pretty funny. In addition, those thinking the NFL might come after him for the HGH stuff are silly. Goodell and his lackeys would go from six to midnight about the press coverage around this sort of thing. It would a WWE story-line but with NFL-level viewership.
Wouldn't the broncos still hold his rights or did they have to release him for cap purposes? I'm fuzzy on the details?
We are spending too much online ink on this because it won't happen but he signed a one year contract with Denver last season I believe. He is free to sign right now if my info is correct.
Negative he did a two year restructure before 2015.
http://www.denverpost.com/2015/06/24/peyton-manning-contract-2015-and-2016-salary-incentives-in-restructured-deal/
And yes it won't happen but it's fun to think about.
All I know is the dude retired and even spurned the Colts in the process, saying he refused to sign a one-day deal with them and wanted to retire a Bronco. That is the only thing I've respected about Manning outside the lines.
There is no way he comes out of retirement to QB for the Patriots... or hold a clipboard, especially. This is all crazy talk.
There is no way he comes out of retirement to QB for the Patriots... or hold a clipboard, especially. This is all crazy talk.
That's what you respect about him? Why? He's got a friggin hospital named after him in Indy, they love him and if he's that petty that he doesn't understand why the released him he's a bigger ass than I already consider him.
Guys, I say it's time to move away from unrealistic options. That includes Manning and (sorry SF121) Tebow.
If any posters feel that they really are plausible options, please feel free to start a new thread.
If any posters feel that they really are plausible options, please feel free to start a new thread.
If we lose him, the game is probably noncompetitive anyway. If it comes to it, just let White take direct snaps and take a knee or something. It's a borderline forfeit candidate with Lindley and at that point no matter how much it pisses off NBC or the NFL just running clock, punting, and taking 10 days of rest is fine with me.
Craig Carton was gushing over the Pats organization this AM, poking the NY fans with a stick.
"Name the back up to the back up to Tom Brady. You know, the guy who won the game yesterday" (Al Dukes "I know he played at NC State....")
"No Gronk, no Brady, no Jimmy G, short practice week, half the line missing: watch the Pats win by 40 on Thursday."
"Name the back up to the back up to Tom Brady. You know, the guy who won the game yesterday" (Al Dukes "I know he played at NC State....")
"No Gronk, no Brady, no Jimmy G, short practice week, half the line missing: watch the Pats win by 40 on Thursday."
OK, but there is zero chance BB is thinking about it this way, right? He's going to either sign someone and get them to know the 10-15 most basic plays/concepts or he's going to get comfortable that if Brisset gets hurt JG could come back in and do something.
Carton has a love/hate relationship with everything Pats. Basically, loves use the Pats to poke at the hated Jets FO.
This is a team that went 11-5 with Matt Cassel (and hung on yesterday with a rookie 3rd rounder, including a crucial 4th quarter drive that should have sealed the win). I don't think anyone in the organization feels this way.
Obviously it wouldn't be ideal to have to go with a 4th string QB (whether Lindley, Flynn, Yates, or anyone else) but if they do need to do so they wont just take the ball and go home.
Seems like a pretty dumb plan to me. There's zero downside in bringing in a veteran.
They would have to waste valuable practice time during a short week getting him ready. If you bring someone in and don't do that, you may as well just let Edelman take the backup snaps because they're worthless.
Well there are two downsides: 1) they'd have to release a player to make room for an emergency vet QB, 2) said emergency vet QB would have virtually no chance of doing much of anything on a short week. If Jimmy G. has no structural damage, he should be able to take snaps and hand-off in a Break Glass In Case of Emergency scenario. It's not like Lindley or Flynn would be slinging it around if they have to come in Thursday night.
It's a calculated risk. You're gambling on the ability of a QB to be able to play through one game. Your payoff is the 46th roster spot, which you're probably going to need if you have a hope of winning the game with your third string quarterback. You start asking what are the odds that JB will get hurt, and the game is still competitive and that some guy we sign of the streets and give two days of practice can get us the win, and I'd rather have the roster spot and hope JB stays upright.
Edit: Or what El Jeffe said. I guess you don't need to dress Jimmy G but you do need to make room on the roster though and cut someone. I'd probably just let Allen take snaps for the next two days and practice handing the ball off.
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You consider that a waste, though? At the very least bring in a guy like TJ Yates or Matt Flynn, someone with a little experience in the system and try to get them comfortable with a small number of plays. I'm not punting this game against the Texans with Brissett starting, I think they have a reasonable shot at winning it, but if he goes down it's over, and then you'll have to go search for a backup that could have had a couple of extra days to prepare had you signed him earlier.
Here's where Goodell steps in and suspends Brady for 2 more games (for his removal of the NFL logo from his helmet during the preseason), announced right after the Buffalo game.
They wont take knees, but they'll just be running the ball with Blount into heavy fronts or running one read throws. I mean, what else can they do given that its not even clear they'd rather play Flynn or Lindley than Edelman at QB if it came to it.
Ending Rex's career by beating the Bills with Edelman at QB would be lol though.
I don't know enough about Jimmy's prognosis to suggest what the Pats should do. I'm just pointing out that there is a downside to signing a FA quarterback instead of just getting ready for Houston with the roster as-is.
Ugh, I'd personally feel better about the no new QB thing if they were playing any team other than the Texans (except maybe the Jets with their front four) on Thursday. I can just see JJ Watt crunching Brissett on some hit early on and the Pats being left with nothing in particular for the rest of the game.