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Week 1 is going to be epic. Look at the top games of the weekend on ESPN/ABC.

Thursday 9/1
South Carolina at Vanderbilt 8:00 ESPN

Saturday 9/3
BC vs. GT at Dublin, Ireland 7:30 AM ESPN2
Oklahoma vs. Houston at NRG Stadium Noon ABC
Hawaii at Michigan Noon ABC
LSU vs. Wisconsin at Lambeau Field 3:30 ABC
UGA vs. UNC at Georgia Dome 5:30 ESPN
USC vs. Alabama at Cowboys Stadium 8:00 ABC
Clemson at Auburn 9:00 ESPN

Sunday 9/4
Notre Dame at Texas 7:30 ABC

Monday 9/5
Ole Miss vs. FSU at Orlando 8:00 ESPN

UCLA is playing at Texas A&M which will likely be on CBS.

http://footballscoop.com/news/espn-has-set-the-schedule-for-the-best-opening-weekend-in-college-football-history/
 

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Wow, ESPN finally figured out they shouldn't show all of the best opening week games Saturday night at 8:00. And kudos to Texas and Auburn for playing on campus instead of going for a NFL stadium cash grab.
 

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Elite 11 QB qualifier competition ended this weekend, and the finalists for The Opening are:

(Ht / Wt / 40 yd time): 247 QB rank / State QB Rank / 247 Overall 300 Rank / HS (Commit)

  1. Tua Tagovailoa (6'1" / 216 / NT): 5 / HI 1 / 43 / Honolulu (HI) St. Louis (Alabama)
  2. Davis Mills (6'2.5" / 188 / NT): 6 / GA 2 / 45: Norcross (GA) Greater Atlanta Christian School (Stanford)
  3. Sam Ehlinger (6'1.5" / 215 / 4/7s): 8 / TX 2 / 79 / Austin (TX) Westlake (Texas)
  4. Hunter Johnson (6'3.5" / 201 / 4.7s): 7 / IN 1 / 63 / Brownsburg (IN) (Clemson)
  5. Myles Brennan (6'4" / 185 / NT): 30 / MS 1 / NR / Bay Saint Louis (MS) St. Stanislaus (LSU)
  6. Chase Garbers (6'3" / 210 / NT): 30 / CA 4 / NR / Newport Beach (CA) Corona Del Mar (21 interest)
  7. Tate Martell (5'10.5" / 203 / NT): 1 / NV 1 / 12 / Las Vegas (NV) Bishop Gorman (21 interest)
  8. Sean Clifford (6'3" / 200 / 4.75s): 18 / OH 1 / 246 / Cincinnati (OH) St. Xavier (Penn State)
  9. Jack Sears (6'3" / 205 / NT): 31 / CA 3 / NR / San Clemente (CA) (23 interest)
  10. Jake Fromm (6'2" / 203 / NT): 3 / GA 1 / 31) Warner Robins (GA) (Georgia)
  11. Chris Robison (6'2" / 192 / 4.6s): 12 / TX 3 / 132 / Mesquite (TX) Horn (Oklahoma)
The Opening national talent showcase will take place July 5-10 at the Nike World Headquarters in Beaverton, Ore.

Of the 8 commits:
ACC: 1
SEC: 3
B1G: 1
B12: 2
PAC: 1

Edit: It looks like the reporting on this list is screwy and inconsistent. The linked story above listed only the 11 (duh) I included here, but this story lists Dylan McCaffrey (Michigan commit) as one of the 11. And this story includes Tommy DeVito (Syracuse commit) and 12 total qualifiers.

Edit 2: OK, so the original list I posted apparently was 247's appraisal.

The "official" list, according to Scout, in no particular order, is (12 guys?):

Tommy DeVito
Davis Mills
Dylan McCaffrey
Chris Robison
Jack Sears
Sam Ehlinger
Tua Tagovailoa
Jake Fromm
Hunter Johnson
Myles Brennan
Tate Martell
Sean Clifford
 
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Wow, ESPN finally figured out they shouldn't show all of the best opening week games Saturday night at 8:00. And kudos to Texas and Auburn for playing on campus instead of going for a NFL stadium cash grab.
Holy heck, so many neutral site games.
The "official" list, according to Scout, in no particular order, is (12 guys?):

Tommy DeVito
Davis Mills
Dylan McCaffrey
Chris Robison
Jack Sears
Sam Ehlinger
Tua Tagovailoa
Jake Fromm
Hunter Johnson
Myles Brennan
Tate Martell
Sean Clifford
Yeah, I was wondering why you left McAlpha off that list. In all honesty, the Elite 11 is just an opportunity for Trent Dilfer to feel good about himself.
 

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Holy heck, so many neutral site games.

Yeah, I was wondering why you left McAlpha off that list. In all honesty, the Elite 11 is just an opportunity for Trent Dilfer to feel good about himself.
It was specifically his absence in the original list that made me scratch my head and double check. I mean, the kid is 5* and his writeup from the competition was outstanding - no way he could not have been in the top 11...er,12.
 

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Yea. That makes no sense. I don't know the contract details but the buyout on a 4-5 year deal screams 2 years minimum plus you've got to give him time to get recruits in there. Spurrier had a horrible last few years recruiting. Cubbard is pretty bare.

I think the fastest guy at SC's pro day ran a 4.64.
 

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Yeah, I don't disagree with a lot of the guys that are around the top. Like Kevin Sumlin's year is make or break. Les was almost fired. Malzahn needs to get his shit together because Auburn always seems like a hot seat. The guy I'd put higher, even though I think that he's done fine is Brian Kelly.
 

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I'm surprised Holgerson is in the yellow category. His buyout is a year lighter and one crappy bowl win couldn't have changed things that much. Although I'd like to see him coaching once Will Grier is eligible next season. I think he's on thinner ice than this indicates.
 

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I'm surprised Holgerson is in the yellow category. His buyout is a year lighter and one crappy bowl win couldn't have changed things that much. Although I'd like to see him coaching once Will Grier is eligible next season. I think he's on thinner ice than this indicates.
I think if he has a total bomb out season, say 5 or less wins he is gone. They had only one WTF loss last year and that was to K-State at the end of the year. Their four other losses came in a row: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU. Three of those games were on the road and the loss to OSU came at home in OT. So you can make an argument that they beat who they were supposed to beat minus one game. They have only 4 true road games this year (ISU, Texas, OSU, Texas Tech), they get Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, and Missouri (ooc) at home. So the schedule sets up for them to have a decent season.
 

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I think if he has a total bomb out season, say 5 or less wins he is gone. They had only one WTF loss last year and that was to K-State at the end of the year. Their four other losses came in a row: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU. Three of those games were on the road and the loss to OSU came at home in OT. So you can make an argument that they beat who they were supposed to beat minus one game. They have only 4 true road games this year (ISU, Texas, OSU, Texas Tech), they get Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, and Missouri (ooc) at home. So the schedule sets up for them to have a decent season.
My point was he was really on the hot seat 1-2 years ago, the guy that hired him is gone (Luck) and I think the only reason he survived then was because the buyout was large. So I just thought he'd be higher on that list. I don't think last year hurt him, but I don't think it was enough to put him in a safe category. I don't think they extended him last year, so this season is key for him. They have to do something with his contract after this season (extend/terminate) or it will kill recruiting.
 

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For those interested in maybe catching a glimpse of some top prospects in action, ESPN will be airing live HS games as part of their High School Football Kickoff schedule. The ESPN family of networks will air 10 games from Aug. 26-28.

The first week's airing's begin 8/26.

Highlights:
  • 3 Days, 10 Games on ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU
  • 35 Ranked Players in the ESPN 300
  • Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State and USC Commits to Participate
  • 10 States Represented, Including Six 2015 State Champions
The 8/26 weekend schedule:

Friday, August 26
Hillsboro (TN) vs. Oakland (TN)

8 p.m. on ESPNU from Ray Hughes Stadium, Oakland High School in Murfreesboro, Tenn.

  • Oakland was a semifinalist (6A D1) and Hillsboro was a quarterfinalist (5A D1) in 2015 TSSAA playoffs
  • Oakland ATH JaCoby Stevens is the No. 24 ranked player in the country
  • This game is a rematch of a 2015 regular season game after Oakland defeated Hillsboro 36-28
Basha (AZ) vs. Pinnacle (AZ)
11 p.m. on ESPNU from Pinnacle High School in Phoenix, Ariz.

  • Basha quarterback Ryan Kelly is the No. 94 ranked player in the country and the No. 5 DT QB
  • Pinnacle boasts at least 8 D1 prospects in their 2017 class, and are led by Sophomore QB Spencer Rattler who has offers from UCLA, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and others
Saturday, August 27

Pine-Richland (PA) vs. St. Edward (OH)
Noon on ESPN from Lakewood High School in Lakewood, Ohio
  • Edward finished #6 in the USA Today 2015 rankings after finishing 14-1 and winning the OHSAA D1 title
  • Pine-Richland was a PIAA 4A state semifinalist who features junior QB Phil Jurkovec, a Notre Dame commit
Heritage (TX) vs. Lone Star (TX)
1:30 p.m. on ESPNU from The Ford Center at The Star in Frisco, Texas
  • Lone Star was 14-2 in 2015 and was the UIL 5A D2 state runner-up
  • This game will be played at The Ford Center at The Star in Frisco, Texas, which is a first-of-its-kind venue shared by the Dallas Cowboys (practice facility and world headquarters) and Frisco Independent School District
Saguaro (AZ) vs. Valor Christian (CO)
3:30 p.m. on ESPN from Valor Stadium, Valor Christian High School in Highlands Ranch, Colo.
  • Matchup between defending state champions from Arizona and Colorado
  • Valor Christian has won the CHSAA 5A state title five of the past six years and is led by the No. 19 ranked player, QB Dylan McCaffrey, who is committed to Michigan and is the younger brother to Stanford RB and 2015 Heisman Trophy runner-up Christian McCaffrey
  • Last year Saguaro won its third straight AIA D2 state title
St. John Bosco (CA) vs. St. Xavier (OH)
5 p.m. on ESPNU from Nippert Stadium at the University of Cincinnati in Cincinnati, Ohio
  • John Bosco is the CIF Southern Section Pac 5 runner-up and were ranked No. 11 in the country last year
  • John Bosco returns the No. 35 and 184 ranked players, OG Wyatt Davis (Ohio St.) and WR Terrell Bynum (Washington)
  • Xavier is led by QB Sean Clifford, ranked No. 79 (Penn St.) and No. 102 OG Matt Bockhort (Clemson)
IMG Academy (FL) vs. Grayson (GA)
6 p.m. on ESPN2 from Grayson High School in Loganville, Ga.
  • IMG Academy currently has twelve ranked ESPN 300 ranked players, including No. 5 Robert Beal, the No. 1 ranked DE in the country
  • Grayson was a GHSA 6A semifinalist last year and currently has five ESPN 300 ranked players including No. 10 DeAngelo Gibbs, the No. 2 ranked ATH in the country
American Heritage (FL) vs. Colquitt County (GA)
8 p.m. on ESPNU from Mack Tharpe Stadium in Moultrie, Ga.
  • American Heritage is led up front by two OT’s, No. 43 Tedarrell Slaton and No. 106 Kai-Leon Herbert, as well as No. 249 CB Marco Wilson
  • Colquitt County has won back-to-back GHSAA 6A state titles, finishing ranked #2 in the country according to USA Today at 15-0; they enter the season with a 30 game win streak
Bishop Gorman (NV) vs. Cedar Hill (TX)
9 p.m. on ESPN2 from Longhorn Stadium at Cedar Hill High School in Cedar Hill, Texas
  • Bishop Gorman is the two-time repeating “National Champion,” ranked No. 1 by USA Today; they enter the season with a 39-game win streak
  • No. 72 QB Tate Martell returns for Bishop Gorman, along with No. 112 DE Haskell Garrett, No. 151 CB Alex Perry and No. 208 S Bubba Bolden (USC)
  • For Cedar Hill, No. 140 QB Avery Davis (Notre Dame) leads a talented team that looks to make another state finals appearance after missing out last year for the first time in the last four years
Sunday, August 28
Trinity Christian (FL) vs. Cocoa (FL)

2 p.m. on ESPN2 from Tiger Stadium at Cocoa High School in Cocoa, Fla.

  • Trinity Christian Academy finished the 2015 season ranked No. 24 by USA Today with a 14-0 record and the FHSAA 3A State Title. They return with a talented senior class including No. 13 CB Shaun Wade (Ohio State) and No. 68 WR DJ Matthews (Florida State)
  • Cocoa was an FHSAA 4A semifinalist and they return No. 286 ATH (QB) Bruce Judson

ESPN 300 Participants

Rank Position Player High School College Commitment*
No. 5 DE Robert Beal IMG Academy
No. 6 ATH Dylan Moses IMG Academy
No. 10 ATH DeAngelo Gibbs Grayson
No. 13 CB Shaun Wade Trinity Christian Ohio State
No. 18 DE Joshua Kaindoh IMG Academy Maryland
No. 19 QB Dylan McCaffery Valor Christian Michigan
No. 24 ATH JaCoby Stevens Oakland
No. 35 OT Wyatt Davis St. John Bosco Ohio State
No. 37 CB Jamyest Williams Grayson
No. 43 OT Tedarrell Slaton American Heritage
No. 48 S Isaiah Pryor IMG Academy Ohio State
No. 49 QB Kellen Mond IMG Academy Texas A&M
No. 53 OT Tony Gray Grayson
No. 57 S Grant Delpit IMG Academy
No. 68 WR D.J. Matthews Trinity Christian Florida State
No. 72 QB Tate Martell Bishop Gorman Ohio State
No. 79 QB Sean Clifford St. Xavier Penn State
No. 80 OG Robert Hainsey IMG Academy
No. 89 OC Cesar Ruiz IMG Academy
No. 94 QB Ryan Kelly Basha Arizona State
No. 102 OG Matt Bockhorst St. Xavier Clemson
No. 106 OT Kai-Leon Herbert American Heritage
No. 112 DT Haskell Garrett Bishop Gorman Ohio State
No. 122 ATH Jordan Anthony IMG Academy
No. 124 CB Marcus Williamson IMG Academy Ohio State
No. 139 WR Jhamon Ausbon IMG Academy LSU
No. 140 QB Avery Davis Cedar Hill Notre Dame
No. 145 OLB Breon Dixon Grayson Georgia
No. 151 CB Alex Perry Bishop Gorman
No. 184 WR Terrell Bynum St. John Bosco Washington
No. 191 QB Chase Brice Grayson Clemson
No. 208 S Bubba Bolden Bishop Gorman USC
No. 246 TE Tre’ McKitty IMG Academy
No. 249 CB Marco Wilson American Heritage
No. 286 ATH Bruce Judson Cocoa
*Please note: No player has signed with a school
All ESPN 300 Rankings and Verbal Commitments are up-to-date as of June 30, 2016
 

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the Elite 11 is just an opportunity for Trent Dilfer to feel good about himself.
You're probably more right than wrong here, at east according to this CBSSports article.

How many started in college? Fifty-four percent of Elite 11 quarterbacks started at least one season (two-thirds of a team's games or more) at an FBS school. That figure increases to 60 percent -- this is probably the more accurate number -- if you count only Elite 11 QBs from 1999-2010, since all of those players are now out of college.
But...

A whopping 67 percent of Elite 11 QBs now out of school never got drafted. (Well, at least they weren't drafted in football. Former Elite 11 QBs Archie Bradley and Clayton Richard now pitch in Major League Baseball.)
Interestingly...

Be careful getting fixated too much on a quarterback recruit with an Elite 11 tag. Keep in mind that 37 percent of Elite 11 QBs end up transferring in college, while 12 percent will play at three schools or more (including junior colleges).
A sampling:

11 Most Productive Elite 11 Participants
Quarterback / FBS Games at QB / TD-INT / NFL Draft
Matt Leinart, USC / 39 / 99-23 / 1st
Vince Young, Texas / 37 / 44-28 / 1st
Troy Smith, Ohio State / 43 / 54-13 / 5th
Tim Tebow, Florida / 55 / 88-16 / 1st
Matthew Stafford, Georgia / 39 / 51-33 / 1st
Andrew Luck, Stanford / 38 / 82-22 / 1st
AJ McCarron, Alabama / 53 / 77-15 / 5th
Aaron Murray, Georgia / 52 / 121-41 / 5th
Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville / 39 / 72-24 / 1st
Jameis Winston, Florida State / 27 / 65-28 / 1st
Deshaun Watson, Clemson / 23 / 49-15 / Active

And on the other end of the spectrum:

11 Unproductive Elite 11 Participants [I don't know if it was a conscientious omission of "most" as it was for "productive"]

Roman Ybarra, UCLA / 0 / 0-0 / Undrafted
Zac Wasserman, Penn State/Cal / 0 / 0-0 / Undrafted
Rob Bolden, Penn State/LSU / 26 / 11--19 / Undrafted
Aaron Corp, USC / 8 / 1-1 / Undrafted
Phillip Sims, Alabama/Virginia / 20 / 9--6 / Undrafted
Kevin Olsen, Miami/Charlotte / 0 / 0-0 / Active
Justin Midgett, Florida / 0 / 0-0 / Undrafted
Star Jackson, Alabama / 5 / 0-0 / Undrafted
Joe Boisture, Michigan State / 0 / 0-0 / Undrafted
Zeke Pike, Auburn / 0 / 0-0 / Undrafted
Willy Korn, Clemson / 14 / 3-2 / Undrafted
 
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Our short national New Year's nightmare may soon be over, http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/17052650/college-football-playoff-mulling-moving-semis-new-year-eve

"We're exploring if there's a better [date] for the semifinals," Hancock said. "We're thinking about if New Year's Eve is the way to go."

The fact that Hancock publicly addressed the possibility of moving the games off New Year's Eve indicates it is "likely to happen," a source said.

"There's still work to be done," a source said. "However, I doubt Bill would have said something if he didn't think he could get the room [of the commissioners] there."
 

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I can't stand the televising of HS games. I get why it is done, but I far prefer regionalized teams than manufactured teams, and I feel that televising makes it more likely that manufactured teams are going to grow. Maybe I am being a bit polyanna-ish, but I love that kids grow up wanting to play for their HS team. I do understand that parents have been moving kids into school districts with top football teams for years, that Parochial schools dominate the landscape in hotbeds such as Northeast Ohio, Western PA, Northern NJ and Central Florida, but even there, for the most part the kids are at least from within 15-20 miles of the school.

One man's opinion.

Oh wait, one other opinion. I know Tate Martell's.....uncle? Second cousin? Something? Anyhoo....that kid has an absolute cannon. If he were 3-4 inches taller he would be a lock to go pro. He will do some cool stuff at the next level.
 

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Big 12 announces it will explore expansion by 2 or 4 teams. I'd think Houston is a lock. Other candidates figure to be SMU, Cincinnati, Boise State, UConn, and USF.
Houston should be a lock, but the Texas schools fear them and don't want them. I would think Memphis is on the list as well. I doubt they get it but they make more sense than SMU does. Memphis is a pretty big and good football city. BYU is a strong candidate as well
 

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Boren said academics are an important trait in a new school, but they have to say it. Memphis is near the bottom of the list acedmically, but FedEx money and potential sponsorship for CCG is a big draw for Memphis. Also gets a pinky-toehold in SEC country
 

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Big 12 announces it will explore expansion by 2 or 4 teams. I'd think Houston is a lock. Other candidates figure to be SMU, Cincinnati, Boise State, UConn, and USF.
Look at Colorado State, BYU and Houston as possibilities, UConn is a longshot. I think they will go further west and south and stay out of the Northeast.
 

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If they're serious about academics being important (which they're not I'm looking at you Texas Tceh), Cougar High won't be on the list. I would have thought that they'd want to go outside of Texas in any case for recruiting purposes.
 

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They're actually discussing the possibility of BYU and UConn as football only members and 2 other full time. That'd be interesting.
Have to think that has to do with overall travel for other sports. For football, a school outside the normal conference footprint is only traveling odd distances 4-5 times a year. Baseball, basketball, softball, etc. have a more taxing issue.
 

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If they are doing this because the ACC is getting a network leaving the B12 the only P5 conf without one then you have to add Uconn and BYU as they are only brands that matter and carry markets. The city schools offer little, although academics/market, athletic dept best fit is Cincy (and a travel partner for WVU)
 

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You don't think Memphis is a good fit for those reasons too? There is a ton of untapped cash in that town.
It's about eyeballs and a network. Memphis delivers..,Memphis. And is still second fiddle in their own city to Tenn.

Delaney knew this and grabbed Rutgers and Maryland and despite having too heavy league the Big10 gets more money than even the SEC. They have huge network $$$. The SEC will catch and pass them. The ACC f'd up by bringing in Pitt, Louisville and BC, three schools that don't really carry any real market. But with Cuse destroyed the BE and got them ND and kept FSU thanks to ESPN. But, theACC network took five years longer to put together because they have crap markets. Hence the digital outlay first and a lot less $$ than the b1g and sec and even regional pac will make. But ESPN knew if they didn't eventually acquiesce to the ACC network, then FSU and Clemson would have bolted to b12, where fox owns rights as well. Huge loss for ESPN since that scenario basically turns ACC into old big east.

The B12 is now expanding because they wanted FSU and Clemson but now are locked out. Big 10 would have taken uva, unc, duke and gtech. Etc. now, big 12 needs a network to keep up financially w other four conferences or risk losing OU and Texas to big 10. Which may still happen if the grant of rights isn't extended. But, the b12 tv deal pays each school same if they expand and since new schools won't get as much right away, even more to existing schools. But add a network, the new schools and a conf title game and then you are back above the ACC schools and pac12 schools but still below the big10 and sec

Edit: it's not a surprise to me to read the tied in columnists like Dodds and Thamel and Bohls have all written in last 24 hours that UConn and BYU are likely choices. Because it's about $$$. Earlier, all of those guys had poo poo'd Uconn because they are uconn, shitty football, far away, girls hoops school. But their sources telling them uconn and BYU grade out best for markets (and academics). Neal pilson quoted in NYT today saying b12 was smart they'd do what B10 did and grab land grant state schools. Said the digital network the ACC is getting is great exposure but revenues are limited. He said UConn logical choice. Bowlsby was quoted as saying that distance doesn't matter as much now and fan base, academics, brand, athletic dept, and markets matter more. He basically quoted the Uconn resume

That all being said...the b12 is an old boys network that is run out of Austin and back room deals are likely. Uconn is an outsider and has been kicked in the balls so many times during realignment that I'll believe it when Texas Tech is playing at the Rent
 
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It's about eyeballs and a network. Memphis delivers..,Memphis. And is still second fiddle in their own city to Tenn.

Delaney knew this and grabbed Rutgers and Maryland and despite having too heavy league the Big10 gets more money than even the SEC. They have huge network $$$. The SEC will catch and pass them. The ACC f'd up by bringing in Pitt, Louisville and BC, three schools that don't really carry any real market. But with Cuse destroyed the BE and got them ND and kept FSU thanks to ESPN. But, theACC network took five years longer to put together because they have crap markets. Hence the digital outlay first and a lot less $$ than the b1g and sec and even regional pac will make. But ESPN knew if they didn't eventually acquiesce to the ACC network, then FSU and Clemson would have bolted to b12, where fox owns rights as well. Huge loss for ESPN since that scenario basically turns ACC into old big east.

The B12 is now expanding because they wanted FSU and Clemson but now are locked out. Big 10 would have taken uva, unc, duke and gtech. Etc. now, big 12 needs a network to keep up financially w other four conferences or risk losing OU and Texas to big 10. Which may still happen if the grant of rights isn't extended. But, the b12 tv deal pays each school same if they expand and since new schools won't get as much right away, even more to existing schools. But add a network, the new schools and a conf title game and then you are back above the ACC schools and pac12 schools but still below the big10 and sec
Wouldn't the B12 want UConn for the NYC market share?
 

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Wouldn't the B12 want UConn for the NYC market share?
Yes. Uconn gets better ratings in NYC than almost anyone. And in rest of NE, too. Thanks to the ineptitude at BC, the New England market is ripe for college sports team to capture.

I can see OU and Texas playing Uconn at Metlife stadium or Gillette. If this actually happens. Lol
 

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It's about eyeballs and a network. Memphis delivers..,Memphis. And is still second fiddle in their own city to Tenn.
I think that is too myopic a point of view. Yes, at this point in time Memphis basketball is barely in the top tier and Memphis football is not even to that point. But much as Rutgers is hoping that a decade of having the Buckeyes and Wolverines coming into town will greatly strengthen the program (and enable them to lock down a very rich talent pool in their own state), Memphis could do the same. Memphis and the surrounding counties feed a shit ton of talent to the SEC, if Memphis can make the leap to the next level they could start owning that talent pipeline.

From an eyeballs perspective.....I think Tennessee is less popular there than you might think. The two cities could not be any further from each other - something like a 13-14 hour drive - are culturally apples an watermelons and Memphis brings a local market of 1.3MM to the table. While I will agree that 75% of that state used to bleed Orange back in the Fulmer/Johnny Majors days, Memphis kind of beats to its own drum (Ftr, if anyone reading this has never been to Memphis just stop what you are doing right now and go. It is amazing. Great food, great music, great culture, great city. Hot as balls.).
 

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Yes. Uconn gets better ratings in NYC than almost anyone. And in rest of NE, too. Thanks to the ineptitude at BC, the New England market is ripe for college sports team to capture.

I can see OU and Texas playing Uconn at Metlife stadium or Gillette. If this actually happens. Lol
UConn men's basketball maybe, but UConn football could play a game in the street on Broadway and more people in NYC would watch Notre Dame/Michigan/tOSU/Alabama/FSU/etc play Eastern Appalachian State.
 

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UConn men's basketball maybe, but UConn football could play a game in the street on Broadway and more people in NYC would watch Notre Dame/Michigan/tOSU/Alabama/FSU/etc play Eastern Appalachian State.
Agreed. But Uconn hoops resonates. No cfb team really captures NYC. Except maybe ND.

But NYC cable would add a network to get Uconn. Sny already broadcasts all Uconn games (hoops and fball) not on ESPN. And they do coaches shows etc. and ratings are good relatively speaking.

Just read the TX governor said b12 expansion is dead if it doesn't include Houston. Lol. So dumb. But that's the b12 in a nutshell.
 

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But much as Rutgers is hoping that a decade of having the Buckeyes and Wolverines coming into town will greatly strengthen the program (and enable them to lock down a very rich talent pool in their own state), Memphis could do the same. Memphis and the surrounding counties feed a shit ton of talent to the SEC, if Memphis can make the leap to the next level they could start owning that talent pipeline.
Is that the case? Is there a Memphis talent pipeline? The recruiting class of 2016 only had 2 of the top 300 recruits listed as coming from the Memphis area--and one went to Oregon and the other to Notre Dame.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/163686690/college-football-recruiting-2016-geography-map



Maybe 2016 was a blip, which is why I'm asking.
 

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I think that is too myopic a point of view. Yes, at this point in time Memphis basketball is barely in the top tier and Memphis football is not even to that point. But much as Rutgers is hoping that a decade of having the Buckeyes and Wolverines coming into town will greatly strengthen the program (and enable them to lock down a very rich talent pool in their own state), Memphis could do the same. Memphis and the surrounding counties feed a shit ton of talent to the SEC, if Memphis can make the leap to the next level they could start owning that talent pipeline.

From an eyeballs perspective.....I think Tennessee is less popular there than you might think. The two cities could not be any further from each other - something like a 13-14 hour drive - are culturally apples an watermelons and Memphis brings a local market of 1.3MM to the table. While I will agree that 75% of that state used to bleed Orange back in the Fulmer/Johnny Majors days, Memphis kind of beats to its own drum (Ftr, if anyone reading this has never been to Memphis just stop what you are doing right now and go. It is amazing. Great food, great music, great culture, great city. Hot as balls.).
The drive from Memphis to UT is closer to 6 hours than 13. Heck, I think you can get to most if not all of the SEC schools in a 13 hour drive from Memphis. UT is definitely not the closest SEC team to Memphis.

Agreed. But Uconn hoops resonates. No cfb team really captures NYC. Except maybe ND.

But NYC cable would add a network to get Uconn. Sny already broadcasts all Uconn games (hoops and fball) not on ESPN. And they do coaches shows etc. and ratings are good relatively speaking.

Just read the TX governor said b12 expansion is dead if it doesn't include Houston. Lol. So dumb. But that's the b12 in a nutshell.
I think Penn St also has a big NYC presence, but year it is ND and everyone else.

Well it makes sense for the Texas governor. Much like Virginia Governor put a ton of Pressure on for VT to get into the ACC back in the day.

Houston, Memphis, BYU, and maybe CSU or Cincy would seem to make the most sense. Trying to squeeze into a completely different region like Uconn or USF just doesn't seem to make much sense and really just complicates everything
 

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Is that the case? Is there a Memphis talent pipeline? The recruiting class of 2016 only had 2 of the top 300 recruits listed as coming from the Memphis area--and one went to Oregon and the other to Notre Dame.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/163686690/college-football-recruiting-2016-geography-map



Maybe 2016 was a blip, which is why I'm asking.
I can't explain that for 2016. I know that there have been a number of issues with sleazeballs trying to gain control of the Memphis market in the last 25 years where kids get brokered, HS coaches paid, et al. I never know what to make of the blue chip maps.....what does it look like for Cleveland, or Dallas? My understanding has always been that Memphis is a valuable talent funnel.
 

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The drive from Memphis to UT is closer to 6 hours than 13. Heck, I think you can get to most if not all of the SEC schools in a 13 hour drive from Memphis. UT is definitely not the closest SEC team to Memphis.



I think Penn St also has a big NYC presence, but year it is ND and everyone else.

Well it makes sense for the Texas governor. Much like Virginia Governor put a ton of Pressure on for VT to get into the ACC back in the day.

Houston, Memphis, BYU, and maybe CSU or Cincy would seem to make the most sense. Trying to squeeze into a completely different region like Uconn or USF just doesn't seem to make much sense and really just complicates everything
Yes, it is 6 hours. I fucked up.
 

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The drive from Memphis to UT is closer to 6 hours than 13. Heck, I think you can get to most if not all of the SEC schools in a 13 hour drive from Memphis. UT is definitely not the closest SEC team to Memphis.



I think Penn St also has a big NYC presence, but year it is ND and everyone else.

Well it makes sense for the Texas governor. Much like Virginia Governor put a ton of Pressure on for VT to get into the ACC back in the day.

Houston, Memphis, BYU, and maybe CSU or Cincy would seem to make the most sense. Trying to squeeze into a completely different region like Uconn or USF just doesn't seem to make much sense and really just complicates everything
They already broadened their footprint east to West Virginia. I'm sure WVU will want a couple of partners around them. Cincy and UConn would fit that bill. UConn is also good academically.
 

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The drive from Memphis to UT is closer to 6 hours than 13. Heck, I think you can get to most if not all of the SEC schools in a 13 hour drive from Memphis. UT is definitely not the closest SEC team to Memphis.



I think Penn St also has a big NYC presence, but year it is ND and everyone else.

Well it makes sense for the Texas governor. Much like Virginia Governor put a ton of Pressure on for VT to get into the ACC back in the day.

Houston, Memphis, BYU, and maybe CSU or Cincy would seem to make the most sense. Trying to squeeze into a completely different region like Uconn or USF just doesn't seem to make much sense and really just complicates everything
They already broadened their footprint east to West Virginia. I'm sure WVU will want a couple of partners around them. Cincy and UConn would fit that bill. UConn is also good academically.
 

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Agreed. But Uconn hoops resonates. No cfb team really captures NYC. Except maybe ND.

But NYC cable would add a network to get Uconn. Sny already broadcasts all Uconn games (hoops and fball) not on ESPN. And they do coaches shows etc. and ratings are good relatively speaking.

Just read the TX governor said b12 expansion is dead if it doesn't include Houston. Lol. So dumb. But that's the b12 in a nutshell.
I don't think you are right at all. I mean, Comcast in NYC isn't even carrying YES this year. I don't think UConn basketball is the draw in NYC that you may perceive. In my 13 years working in Manhattan I don't remember seeing many cubicles or offices with Huskies pennants or comparable tchotshkes (sp?). NYC does love a winner, and UConn basketball has certainly been a winner, but I am not sure that UConn basketball would immediately put a big 12 network onto NYC residents' cable packages.
 

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I work in midtown Manhattan. Have never once heard a UConn conversation in the office, including the day after their recent titles. Nobody cares outside of CT.
 

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I don't think you are right at all. I mean, Comcast in NYC isn't even carrying YES this year. I don't think UConn basketball is the draw in NYC that you may perceive. In my 13 years working in Manhattan I don't remember seeing many cubicles or offices with Huskies pennants or comparable tchotshkes (sp?). NYC does love a winner, and UConn basketball has certainly been a winner, but I am not sure that UConn basketball would immediately put a big 12 network onto NYC residents' cable packages.
UConn basketball games are carried locally on SNY not YES. They regularly travel in droves for games at MSG and there are many, many UConn grads within the NYC area. UConn(and to be fair Syracuse too) is more of a presence in NYC than any local team. When it comes down to it, I don't think UConn makes the cut into the Big 12 but there are some pluses on their side. I mean, I have Verizon and they carry the B1G Network locally. Is Rutgers even an afterthought in the NYC area?
 

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The whole point is to get into new regions. This is not a football grab, it's a money grab.

The only team in all this expansion nonsense that's moved conferences and had any meaningful impact has been Texas AM. And Missouri kind of.

Rutgers brought the B1G into NYC despite Rutgers having one of the worst athletic departments in country. Huge revenues. Games in Brooklyn and msg. Football coming to met life. Etc. exposure. And carriage fees. And fertile recruiting, but PSU was already there
 

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I can't explain that for 2016. I know that there have been a number of issues with sleazeballs trying to gain control of the Memphis market in the last 25 years where kids get brokered, HS coaches paid, et al. I never know what to make of the blue chip maps.....what does it look like for Cleveland, or Dallas? My understanding has always been that Memphis is a valuable talent funnel.
That link has a map that you can scroll around on. It's pretty cool, but it's just a one year look.

Cleveland had 5 kids in the area--3 to OSU, one ND, and one MSU.

Dallas has a dozen or so (more than the state of Tennessee).