2016 Broncos Thread: Elway or the Highway
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i wouild cut him but he is the key to why our pass def is so good with him we are no wrose than 5 on def without him we fail about 7 spots
fair point but let say Houston misses the playoffs and O'Brien job is on the line and rick smith well they would want to win now now denver already has 3 3rd round picks Tailb for let say pick 19 would be a fair trade denver needs 2 OL starters in the 17 draft
IF Denver goes 8-8 i allmost would think about offering Von Miller for a whole 17 draft and a 18 19 1st i wouild hate to do it but without thinks to get a young star QB i know 17 is a weak QB Class but the key is to get a david carr type even if u have to wait untill 2020
i wouild offer von miller to any team but KC OAK yes NE wouild be in play but for u u wouild have to give up 2 whole drafts and a 1 in 19 and SD/LA Wouild have to gave up 3 whole drafts
u are right its a 50/50 shot anyway let look at denver as a ex
2012
Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati signed May 21[64] Great
57 Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State signed July 24[65] Great
3 67 Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego State signed July 24[65] [dr 2] [dr 3] [dr 4] Bust
4 101 Omar Bolden CB Arizona State signed May 17[67] bust
108 Philip Blake C Baylor signed June 1,[68]bust
placed on injured reserve September 18[35]
5 137 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee signed May 18[69] [dr 5] [dr 6] great
6 188 Danny Trevathan LB Kentucky great
4 Great 3 bust
2013
Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina signed July 25[57] just a guy
2 58 Montee Ball RB Wisconsin signed June 13[58] BUST
3 90 Kayvon Webster CB South Florida signed June 13[58] Great pick
4 None — see draft trades below
5 146 Quanterus Smith DE Western Kentucky signed May 10,[59] BUST
placed on injured reserve August 31[60]
161 Tavarres King WR Georgia signed May 10,[59] waived August 31,[16] BUST
promoted to the active roster on October 15[47]
6 173 Vinston Painter OT Virginia Tech signed May 9,[61] waived August 31,[16] BUST
promoted to the active roster on January 14, 2014.[33]
7 234 Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) BUST
1 good pick 1 ok pick 5 busts
2014
Bradley Roby CB Ohio State signed June 10[51] Great pick
2 56 Cody Latimer WR Indiana signed June 2[52] BUST
3 95 Michael Schofield OT Michigan signed June 3[53] Awufl at T good at g just OK
4 None — see draft trades below
5 156 Lamin Barrow LB Louisiana State signed June 3[53] BUST
6 207 Matt Paradis C Boise State signed June 2,[52] waived August 30,[17] big time steal
assigned to the practice squad on August 31[18]
7 242 Corey Nelson LB Oklahoma good pick
2 Great picks 2 ok picks 2 busts
2015
Shane Ray LB Missouri signed June 1[83] Great
2 59 Ty Sambrailo OT Colorado State signed May 15,[84] placed on injured reserve November 2[85] Bust
3 92 Jeff Heuerman TE Ohio State injured during rookie minicamp,[86] signed June 4,[87]
placed on injured reserve August 31[55] Bust
4 133 * Max Garcia C Florida signed May 13[88] just ok
5 164 Lorenzo Doss CB Tulane signed May 14[89] OK
6 203 Darius Kilgo NT Maryland signed May 13[88] Bust
7 250 * Trevor Siemian QB Northwestern signed May 15[84] Great
251 * Taurean Nixon CB Tulane signed May 15,[84] waived September 5,[27] ok
assigned to the practice squad on September 6,[90]
promoted to the active roster on January 19, 2016[91]
252 * Josh Furman S Oklahoma State bust
2 Great 3 ok 4 bust
in summ
8 Great picks only 4 since 12
7 OK picks
14 Busts
so we are 15/29 since 12 and without 12 11/22
Is Osweiler a great pick because of the compensatory 4 or 5 he is going to get you this year?
I think Elway's drafting talent can be summarized by the fact that he has picked a ton of very good defensive players and exactly one really good offensive player in Paradis. You could make that number two if I am wrong on Siemian, which, fairly, I might be, since he has exceeded my expectations this year.
I think Elway's drafting talent can be summarized by the fact that he has picked a ton of very good defensive players and exactly one really good offensive player in Paradis. You could make that number two if I am wrong on Siemian, which, fairly, I might be, since he has exceeded my expectations this year.
As a 7th round pick, if Siemian got injured and never threw a ball again I still think he already exceeded all projections and expectations of value.
J Man...great summary but minor area of disagreement..maybe it is just semantics but I don't call a 6th or 7th..round pick a bust..if a pick that late in the draft makes it then great..if not then oh well..those late rounds are more crapshoots..
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Gary Kubiak just said safety T.J. Ward is in the concussion protocol. He said Ward didn't feel well after the game and is being evaluated this week.
LOL boo hoo
Gary Kubiak just said safety T.J. Ward is in the concussion protocol. He said Ward didn't feel well after the game and is being evaluated this week.
LOL boo hoo
Well, if we're looking at it from a utilitarian standpoint, less TJ Ward likely means less concussions overall. So we can take joy in that.
+1. Was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder if this has any chance of changing the way he goes about his business. If it doesn't, then he'll have established a new low.
You may remember that we had a discussion early in last years' thread about the Oline. My take then was that it was their Achilles heel and would keep them from winning a championship m. Obviously, I was wrong about the latter since they overcame it, but it was definitely the weakest link last year and is even worse this year.
At this point, while Elway had done a terrific job overall as gm, I think it's fair to question his ability to put together a quality oline. He either can't identify talent at the position or doesn't make it enough of a priority (my opinion last year and now) or a combination of both.
I just hope he's able to remember enough about his playing days to tell his grandkids about all the players he cheapshotted.
(It's cool when I make these kind of jokes )
they are a bust if they dont make the Roster like fuman
what happened to denver was Atl and Oak exposes our def next year looks 9-7 or 10-6 ish and i only say that because of playing Indy and Ciny bottle line was 1-5 in AFC West i am assume next week unless new eng wins at noon that denver loses i wouild cut ward jusin simmons wouild be a upgrade
no because he went 5-2 in 15 when if he even goes 4-3 denver does not win SB 50
good point i do think he has been exposed at best he is Alex Smith at worst josh mccown
Is this good or bad for the Raiders on Sunday?
Also, are the issues going on in that locker room right now just a result of hard to control egos on the defensive side like Ward and Talib or is there a bigger issue with the players feeling like the work for Elway less than the coach?
Also, are the issues going on in that locker room right now just a result of hard to control egos on the defensive side like Ward and Talib or is there a bigger issue with the players feeling like the work for Elway less than the coach?
Interesting. Would they go outside or promote Dennison? If they went outside, I assume they'd be the preferred job for everyone except McDaniels.
How about a coach who has already once taken over a pre-built team with non top-level QB and a great defense and won a Super Bowl? The best part would be not having him on MNF anymore.
I am currently watching the NFLN rundown of the top games of the year. Right now is KC at Denver from week 12. If Fowler goes down on the 5 yard line instead of scoring with 3 minutes to go the entire season changes.
Grunden is the Trump of MNF. Every person/thing whom he is talking about at the moment is the absolute best.
I feel like this is Collinsworth. Every play is accompanied with how he had a conversation with that player the night before and how great it was to talk to him and here's an anecdote that may or may not relate to what we're talking about but everything is great. Man talks for 2/3 of the game..has never met a pause in conversation that he liked.
You have a point. In fact, perhaps I was conflating the two of them when I made my last post. I'm going to amend my position on the topic to say that they are both awful.
Anyway, I probably shouldn't hijack any more than I already have.
my list is 3 deep
1 Pete Carmichael NO is number 1 in Off in 16 i love new Orleans playbook Denver needs a overhaul on off
2 Vance Joseph if not for Ciny maantory keep everyone under contact he wouild had been denver D Cord in 15
3 Teryl Austin Same Def Syile as Philliaps
and for me Rex Ryan i tryed this idea on MHR and most everyone there hates him
barring a pissed off Def and a new england win Oakland should win tomm esp if NE loses @ mia
no the D is just pissed off they give up more than 13 pts they lose Ward and Tailb are very emo and like most of the team and fanbase throuht we wouild be playoff bound
if Mcd goes this year
its 1 DET 2 JAX 3 LA
as MCD couild well esp in Jax as they need a overhaul anyway
no elway and shanny his dad had a falled out around nid-2000's elway does not want mike Shanny hoveing around dove valley
what happhed was the Falcons and Raiders finger our Def out
by just throwing to RB TE and running 60% of the time + lots of Def INJ with marshall ward V Walker in preseason our best run stopper
but yeah we beat KC at home then we beat Tenn then we lose to u and kc then we win tomm
so in a way that 1 play made us 8-8 instead of 11-5
bill walsh was like chris collnsworth as a brodarcaster u guys might like him youtube took down the 2 1989 broncos playoff games where bill Walsh openly rooted for Pitt and Cle during the game
This would make it a weird fit for sure, and Chucky does seem to care about how much Raidernation loves him , but there is no fucking way Gruden would work for John Elway.
And so much for the Raiders getting a Broncos team with nothing to play for today.
Kubiak makes it official after the game. First name being tossed about is Vance Joseph. I saw that Denver interviewed him the last time the position was open. Seems like they would want to get an offensive HC and keep Phillips and let him run the defense, no?
Why break down and rebuild the entire coaching staff if you can keep the most successful part of your staff in tact?
Why break down and rebuild the entire coaching staff if you can keep the most successful part of your staff in tact?
