2016 49ers: Kaep and Trade?

dbn

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I saw Jay Payton hit a grand slam for the Red Sox in St. Petersburg. (Wait: what were we talking about again?)
 

Valek123

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Good lord, as much as I've rooted for him to get another chance based on talent - directly associating the slave patrol to Police officers can't be helpful to him getting another job. I know free speech, etc... but owners are also freely able to pay the salaries of QBs especially they want to represent their franchise and this can't help. Maybe I'm jaded growing up knowing a number of police officers from local to state and fed level and having the utmost respect for them and their profession. I know there are bad apples, and I've certainly met some of them but I just don't see how he thinks this can help his chances of being hired. Then again maybe he and his agent 100% knows he's not getting a job and has shifted to his next career already in activism.
 

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Good lord, as much as I've rooted for him to get another chance based on talent - directly associating the slave patrol to Police officers can't be helpful to him getting another job. I know free speech, etc... but owners are also freely able to pay the salaries of QBs especially they want to represent their franchise and this can't help. Maybe I'm jaded growing up knowing a number of police officers from local to state and fed level and having the utmost respect for them and their profession. I know there are bad apples, and I've certainly met some of them but I just don't see how he thinks this can help his chances of being hired. Then again maybe he and his agent 100% knows he's not getting a job and has shifted to his next career already in activism.
Not helpful to him getting another job doesn't mean he's wrong. There is at least some historical / academic basis for Kaepernick's claim: http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

As Turner, Giacopassi and Vandiver (2006:186) remark, “the literature clearly establishes that a legally sanctioned law enforcement system existed in America before the Civil War for the express purpose of controlling the slave population and protecting the interests of slave owners. The similarities between the slave patrols and modern American policing are too salient to dismiss or ignore. Hence, the slave patrol should be considered a forerunner of modern American law enforcement.”
Reasonable minds can disagree, and I don't want to turn this into V&N. I'm adding this context to reinforce that there's a considered viewpoint here; Kaepernick isn't just spouting a hot take.
 

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Reasonable minds can disagree, and I don't want to turn this into V&N. I'm adding this context to reinforce that there's a considered viewpoint here; Kaepernick isn't just spouting a hot take.
Also not trying to VN here, but if two academics spout a hot take, and then someone else makes the same point, is it no longer a hot take at that point? How does the heat diffuse from the initial take?
 

Michelle34B

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I thought the tweet I embedded had a Philando Castile hashtag. Kaepernick had a few tweets after the jury reached a not guilty verdict for the Minnesota police officer. If anyone was campaigning for him in Minnesota, or other teams, this is where the real issue lies: Kaepernick shows little care for his future as an NFL quarterback. His situation has been compared to other quarterbacks, but most he has been compared to had awful events that they had left in their past. I'm not trying to say his activism is great, good, bad or awful, just that it is clearly an endeavor that Kaepernick has every intention of continuing.
 

cleanturtle

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Also not trying to VN here, but if two academics spout a hot take, and then someone else makes the same point, is it no longer a hot take at that point? How does the heat diffuse from the initial take?
That's a big if, though. The academic take isn't hot, but has been studied and vetted thoroughly over the course of decades. It only looks like a hot take if you're not aware of the depth and range of the research.

I don't know Kaepernick's story well enough to know how he got there, but it seems possible that this is something coming from a thoughtful and responsible place as opposed to ignorance or lack of awareness of the good cops in what he (with some significant evidence) believes to be a racist system.
 

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And this will end well? Via PFT.

“There will be no football in the state of Georgia if Colin Kaepernick is not on a training camp roster and given an opportunity to pursue his career,” said Gerald Griggs of the Atlanta NAACP at a Friday press conference, via fox5atlanta.com. “This is not a simple request. This is a statement. This is a demand.”

The owner of the local NFL team in Atlanta has issued a statement that states, essentially, “Don’t blame me for this.”

“I have a long record of active opposition to any symbol or behavior that represents exclusion or discrimination, both personally and in keeping with the core values of our businesses,” Falcons owner Arthur Blank said in a statement provided to fox5atlanta.com. “I, along with our Family Foundation, the Atlanta Falcons and Atlanta United have never and will never waver from that stance.”
 

JCizzle

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Good lord, as much as I've rooted for him to get another chance based on talent - directly associating the slave patrol to Police officers can't be helpful to him getting another job. I know free speech, etc... but owners are also freely able to pay the salaries of QBs especially they want to represent their franchise and this can't help. Maybe I'm jaded growing up knowing a number of police officers from local to state and fed level and having the utmost respect for them and their profession. I know there are bad apples, and I've certainly met some of them but I just don't see how he thinks this can help his chances of being hired. Then again maybe he and his agent 100% knows he's not getting a job and has shifted to his next career already in activism.
When has the NFL ever shown that they care about public perception before? I mean shit, the Giants took a public L over a piece of shit FG kicker last year, let alone someone who plays the most important position on the field. The Niners were tossing out trash at their skill positions last year and he still managed to put up a 16/4 TD/INT ratio and decent numbers (not great, but decent). I'm as down on the Niners as any other team because I think Kyle would do good things with Kap in his system. The whole thing is just depressing as hell.