2015 Offseason: Non-Revis Edition
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Gotta wait for the pesky details, as always, but doesn't that seem like massive contract for a 33-year old rapist?
I'm more optimistic than others and think they'll get at least a swap of a 4th for Revis, as well. This is more egregious than what KC did and they got 5ths swapped. Probably not as bad as Briggs, which was 3rds. I say 4ths, unless they were dumb enough to do more.mpx42 said:
Hightower out 6-7 months after surgery.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000467794/article/report-patriots-lb-donta-hightower-out-67-months
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000467794/article/report-patriots-lb-donta-hightower-out-67-months
@RyanHannable: A lot of Donta Hightower injury buzz today. Worth noting @jeffphowe reported this over a month ago http://t.co/QcEUgpRBtA
@alexmarvez: .@MarkdominikESPN expects RB Stevan Ridley will sign UFA contract in next week. Doesn't think it will be with @Patriots @SiriusXMNFL
If I were Ridley I'd push hard to go to Dallas on a make-good deal. Behind that line he could have a monster season (and would probably be a top 10 fantasy RB).
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-draft-value-index/
Didn't see this posted before. The article itself is kind of bull shit since he talks about the value of compensatory draft picks, but the biggest value swing was the trade between the Browns and the Bills that straddled two years (the Bills traded their pick this year as part of the package to draft Sammy Watkins last year - a value difference that has nothing to do with compensatory draft picks at all) - but whatever.
It feels nice to see the Patriots in the top 5 for a adjusted draft value metric while every other team in the AFC East is in the bottom 5.
Schadenfreude, fool.
Didn't see this posted before. The article itself is kind of bull shit since he talks about the value of compensatory draft picks, but the biggest value swing was the trade between the Browns and the Bills that straddled two years (the Bills traded their pick this year as part of the package to draft Sammy Watkins last year - a value difference that has nothing to do with compensatory draft picks at all) - but whatever.
It feels nice to see the Patriots in the top 5 for a adjusted draft value metric while every other team in the AFC East is in the bottom 5.
Schadenfreude, fool.
PK in MMQB mentions this:
Evans for the Pats third-rounder (now that NE has the comp pick that follows) would be worth thinking about.
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/30/extra-points-pat-rule-change-nfl-draft/
Evans for the Pats third-rounder (now that NE has the comp pick that follows) would be worth thinking about.
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/30/extra-points-pat-rule-change-nfl-draft/
Evans' base salary plus roster bonuses would amount to 7.3 million for 2015, which seems steep.
Nothing guaranteed for Evans after this year though and I think it is $7.5M. He is under contract for 2016, non guaranteed for $10M. So, any team that acquires him is trading for a one year deal. I think King's estimate of a 3rd or 4th rounder is steep. I imagine he will get traded on day 3 of the draft to a team with a bunch of cap room left.
http://overthecap.com/player/jahri-evans/1497
http://overthecap.com/player/jahri-evans/1497
McKay's on the comp committee too? Do they just take all the .500 coaches and GMs and stick them on that thing? Do they bother putting anyone on there with a record of sustained success?
E5 Yaz said:
Evans had a bad season last year, and may be starting a steep decline. I wouldn't touch him at that contract, let alone adding in something as valuable as a third rounder.
Browns not losing any draft pick seems ridiculous.
Ed Hillel said:
If an NFL source really did leak that the punishment would be "severe" and the Browns didn't lose a pick the NFL really is stupider than we had thought.
Ed Hillel said:
Yeah PFF numbers are taken with a grain of salt but..
Literally the worst 2 guards in pass protection in 2014.
Worse yet, Evans gave up the most number of QB hurries with 34, as opposed to middle-of-the-road 15 for Connolly.
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From @toddarcher & me: free agent LB Rolando McClain is visiting the Patriots today.
From @toddarcher & me: free agent LB Rolando McClain is visiting the Patriots today.
mpx42 said:
For McClain, leverage for a return to Dallas on better terms. Backs are scratched, but for the Pats they already have the upper hand in negotiating with Mayo.
Edit: McClain faces a 4 game suspension. Similar to a certain CB we had...
nattysez said:
True, but with uncertainty(?) with Mayo and Hightower's injury, you could do much worse for an inside backer.
But with the 4-game suspension he is not available when Hightower might not be ready for the sstart of the season.SeoulSoxFan said:
It's a fine, not a suspension:JohnnyK said:
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/12359218/dallas-cowboys-lb-rolando-mcclain-facing-four-game-fine-violating-substance-abuse-policy
I'd think they'd stay far away from him given his off the field issues and the AH situation. But maybe not.
http://deadspin.com/5864346/rolando-mcclain-is-accused-of-putting-a-gun-to-a-mans-head-pointing-it-in-another-direction-and-firing
http://deadspin.com/5864346/rolando-mcclain-is-accused-of-putting-a-gun-to-a-mans-head-pointing-it-in-another-direction-and-firing
It's probably worth kicking the tires on McClain to see if he'll come cheap enough, but I don't really see the fit. They already have three linebackers for two spots unless they're planning to cut Mayo after he passes his physical. And McClain doesn't play special teams (just 9 snaps last year). Depth is good; this would just strike me as a strange allocation of resources.
So you're saying he's an improvement?SeoulSoxFan said:
Yeah PFF numbers are taken with a grain of salt but..
Literally the worst 2 guards in pass protection in 2014.
Worse yet, Evans gave up the most number of QB hurries with 34, as opposed to middle-of-the-road 15 for Connolly.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
More comfortable releasing Mayo after him passing his physical. Mayo has a choice of restructuring or trying to sign on with another team for (more or less likely) less money than his what his current contract calls for anyway.
JohnnyK said:
You have HT coming off of a serious injury and the possibility of Mayo being gone (who's also coming off of a major injury). Not sure if he'd be such a surplus after all.
dcdrew10 said:
I've been seeing reports of a 4-game suspension. From McClain's point of view, why not sign a 1-year prove-it deal on a shortened season and get back out on the market next year?
MarcSullivaFan said:
McClain has come a long, long way since then. That report is from 2011.
SeoulSoxFan said:
His dead cap hit would also be $6 million dollars. It makes more sense to pay him the $10 million than it does to pay him $6 million to play for someone else and fill his roster spot with a lesser player. I'm sure his agent is aware of this.
Super Nomario said:
I think $ would be a much bigger stumbling block than fit or availability. RM is also a Bama grad -- apparently a bit of a mentor to young Hightower. I think it'll be a very good get for BB if he can get him in with reasonable money.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
But RM is much younger (only 25) and has even less wear on the tires given his time off from football (intentionally and unintentionally).
I don't think BB's planning on paying Mayo $10m (turned 29 in February) even if it means eating $6m in cap. They've been aggressive in getting younger at all spots (except K and QB) and who's to say RM does not outplay Mayo next year?
Given the Saben connection, age, opportunity, and production, it'll make sense to get him in for an incentive-laden 1- or 2-year deal.
Plus Jeff Howe:
That's all fine, but I don't think that gives the Patrioys any leverage over Jerod Mayo. If the Patriots want to cut him because he won't restructure, it's going to cost them a big chunk of change.SeoulSoxFan said:
There's a decent chance McClain is better than Mayo last year (though it's not a foregone conclusion - there's a tendency in football to assume players are going to be as good or bad as they were in their most recent season and ignore their prior body of work, with in McClain's case wasn't good even on-the-field), but is he going to be better than Hightower or Collins? The Patriots played nickel 70% of the time last year, which means starting two off-the-ball LBs. McClain seems like a better fit for a team that needs a starting LB.SeoulSoxFan said:
We went through this last year, kind of, when they tried to juggle Hightower, Collins, and Mayo and they couldn't make all the pieces fit. The two games those guys were healthy and played all game? Miami and Kansas City. The LB weren't the only reason they struggled then, but it didn't seem like they found an effective way to get all the LB on the field at once.
He's been arrested twice since that incident.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/former_alabama_star_rolando_mc.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/rolando-mcclain-arrests-retire-2013-5
MarcSullivaFan said:
Not to mention the whole arson/insurance thing on the home he was selling, which is quite recent...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/14/authorities-say-rolando-mcclain-house-fire-was-arson/
I was going off of your post which said he'd be suspended for 4 games, which would probably coincide with HT still getting in shape. Seeing that it's not a suspension, yeah he makes sense football-wiseSeoulSoxFan said:
Signing RM not only protects you in the event of exacerbated injuries (Donta AND Mayo), but also gives you a bit of leverage in the looming restructure negotiation with Mayo. That said, I think Mayo wants to stay and they want him to stay so whatever cover a potential RM signing would theoretically provide is likely secondary, at best, and moot.
I don't think it's moot. One, while the Pats likely do want Mayo, it's only at a certain price. They have shown repeatedly that they will part ways with a player in a heartbeat if he insists on getting paid more than they are prepared to give him. So if Mayo balks at a restructure at the Pats' price point, they will be more likely to let him go if they have McClain or someone else suitable as a back-up plan.
Away from that, even WITH Mayo, Hightower and Collins all fully healthy, the Pats could use some depth. Ayers and Castillo are gone. More is better.
I don't know enough about McClain to have much of an opinion about whether they can manage whatever noise is associated with him, but Bill has been pretty good about that (cough, with the exception of a TE currently on trial for murder).
Away from that, even WITH Mayo, Hightower and Collins all fully healthy, the Pats could use some depth. Ayers and Castillo are gone. More is better.
I don't know enough about McClain to have much of an opinion about whether they can manage whatever noise is associated with him, but Bill has been pretty good about that (cough, with the exception of a TE currently on trial for murder).