2015 NIT, CIT & CBI

thehitcat · Mar 16, 2015

So did both Yale and Princeton turn down offers? I see Dartmouth in the CIT but neither the 2nd or 3rd placed Ivies.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 16, 2015

USC, Oregon State, and Penn State all declined CBI bids too.

cannonball 1729 · Mar 16, 2015

mabrowndog said:
CBI Bracket (re-seeded after quarterfinals)

Link to site -- BEWARE OF LOUD AUTO-PLAY VIDEO

RedOctober ought to be pumped -- all three of his teams are in the field (UVM, Colorado & Stony Brook)

Interesting that Mercer got a bid and UT Chattanooga didn't. UTC had a better record and a better in-conference record, plus they actually beat conference winner Wofford (which Mercer didn't) on the road. Also, Mercer's starting forward is out after he broke his elbow in the Socon tournament.

DJnVa · Mar 17, 2015

mabrowndog said:
Worth noting:
The CIT will experiment with a 30-second shot clock in the 2015 tournament.

The NIT is doing this as well, and a 4 foot restricted area.

Mugsy's Jock · Mar 17, 2015

For a while it looked like Columbia was at worst the third best team in the Ivies, but they lost their last four, fell to 13-15, and were left out.

Maodo Lo is odds-on favorite for Ivy MVP next year, I'd bet.

cannonball 1729 · Mar 17, 2015

mabrowndog said:
That's a really great question, and I can't find anything online about any declined invitations -- nor any inquiries by Mocs fans as to why their team isn't participating anywhere. Sagarin & KenPom both have Chattanooga rated 158, while Mercer is ranked at 186 and 181 respectively.

Huh. Well that certainly doesn't clear things up. I suspect that the Mocs' fans aren't particularly invested either way because the Lady Mocs are in the NCAA tournament and actually have a chance to make a bit of a run, so their attention is diverted elsewhere. But yeah - it jumped out at me that the 3rd-best team in the conference got an invite and the 2nd-best team didn't.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 17, 2015

cannonball 1729 said:
Huh. Well that certainly doesn't clear things up. I suspect that the Mocs' fans aren't particularly invested either way because the Lady Mocs are in the NCAA tournament and actually have a chance to make a bit of a run, so their attention is diverted elsewhere. But I'm involved with the Socon, so it jumped out at me that the 3rd-best team in the conference got an invite and the 2nd-best team didn't.

The CBI and CIT are tournaments where there are no expenses paid by the event. Therefore, you are paying to play in this. Some schools that were invited simply declined invites because they did not want to spend the money to be in a 3rd tier event.

cannonball 1729 · Mar 17, 2015

RedOctober3829 said:
The CBI and CIT are tournaments where there are no expenses paid by the event. Therefore, you are paying to play in this. Some schools that were invited simply declined invites because they did not want to spend the money to be in a 3rd tier event.

Ah, that makes sense. And the Mocs wouldn't really get any benefit since the women's BB team is pulling the majority of the press. I get it now....

DJnVa · Mar 20, 2015

EDIT: Numbers were incorrect. Apologies.

Infield Infidel · Mar 20, 2015

I'm a proponent of the 30-second clock, but not only is the sample small, there also aren't any crappy teams included. One would think the teams in the NIT would have better offenses than NCAA teams in general. If the NCAA had a 30-second clock, I would expect the average to go up but not by 10 ppg/team

DJnVa · Mar 20, 2015

EDIT: Numbers were incorrect.

I apologize--I had bad numbers. It turns out scoring was about stable in the NIT--there were more possessions, but less efficient offense. Would that work out to more scoring if teams spent all season working with a 30 second clock? I'd assume so.

yeahlunchbox · Mar 20, 2015

Tough draw for URI. If we can win at Stanford on Sunday night, we turn around and play in Kingston Tuesday night against the winner of tonight's game.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 20, 2015

Infield Infidel said:
I'm a proponent of the 30-second clock, but not only is the sample small, there also aren't any crappy teams included. One would think the teams in the NIT would have better offenses than NCAA teams in general. If the NCAA had a 30-second clock, I would expect the average to go up but not by 10 ppg/team

The 30-second shot clock combined with zone defenses would be horrific for the college game. The zone should be outlawed as is but combining this with the reduced clock these games will be a long distance forced 3-point shooting contest.

I don't think this will increase scoring at all. It will however increase the frequency of poor percentage shots.

shawnrbu · Mar 20, 2015

mabrowndog said:
NIT UPDATE

Another upset saw 6-seed Alabama destroying 3-seed Illinois in Champagne, 79-58.

Love your updates, Dog. Want to include that Bama hosted this game because the State Farm Center is being renovated for the second consecutive offseason and was unavailable for the Illini to host. Same thing happened last year when 7-seed BU hosted 2-seed Illinois. Interestingly in 2010 8-seed Stony Brook hosted 1-seed Illinois when the arena was unavailable for basketball due to hosting Cirque du Soleil.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 21, 2015

mabrowndog said:
Holy shit, I obviously had no idea it happened again this year. I recall BU getting last year's matchup, but didn't know about SBU. Thanks for setting things straight.

I guess my primary takeaway is that the U of Illinois sucks at hosting postseason basketball games.

That was fun hosting Illinois. Almost beat them too. Bruce Weber couldn't have been any nicer.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 22, 2015

mabrowndog said:
Three games today, all in the NIT:

11:00 am - 5 G. Wash at 1 Temple (ESPN)
07:30 pm - 5 Arizona St at 1 Richmond (ESPNU)
09:30 pm - 3 Rhode Island at 2 Stanford (ESPNU)

Temple all over GW 90-77.

DJnVa · Mar 25, 2015

I'll be at the ODU-Murray St. game this evening. Should be fun--Murray St.'s high-powered offense against the tough ODU defense.

Of note, ODU's best player, all-CUSA pick Trey Freeman was injured in practice on Saturday and only played 12 minutes against Illinois St. Keenan Palmore, who started every game last season but has been relegated to the bench responded and scored 11 points, and had 9 boards and 3 assists. Freeman has "progressed" some per ODU, but is a game-time decision.

I know not many care about these games, but the ending of the ODU-Illinois St. game was wild. ODU got free underneath for a dunk with about a minute left, giving them a 48-46 lead. Illinois St. comes down and drills a corner three for only their second lead of game. ODU responded with the Arledge layup and then we have the portion of the program where the refs want you to know they are there.

Illinois St. misses a shot, there's a scramble and 2 players on the floor grabbing the ball and the ref calls a foul--which you pretty much never see in that situation. It's a jump ball (and would have remained Illinois St. ball) And he called it knowing it would mean 2 FTs with 4.3 seconds left. The kid missed both, ODU got the board and was fouled. Their 1 and 1 rims out, Illinois St. calls TO and has 2.9 seconds to go the entire court.

A 75 foot heave and the ball is coming down to an Illinois St. player with a size advantage when Jordan Baker of ODU leaps and deflects it away from what would have been a power dribble and a dunk as the Illinois St. player in pic below is in the lane.

DJnVa · Mar 25, 2015

mabrowndog said:
Mother of Fuck. He took the long inbound pass, worked his way across half-court and past a defender along the right sideline (who played him about as tightly as anyone could without fouling), then leaped off the wrong (right) foot from the diamond well behind the three arc, and drilled it. What an incredible play.

He hit that shot right in front of me, I had the perfect angle. I was three rows back behind that NIT logo, right on the aisle.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12559204&ex_cid=espnapi_internal

The dude barely played 2 nights ago and the story on postgame show was that his mom had some Cajun cure and applied it to his ankle yesterday and came in today feeling fine.

DJnVa · Mar 26, 2015

What was cool is that it was general admission. So while it wasn't technically a sell-out, every person in the announced attendance was there because every ticket purchased was in effect a walk up. There were no stay at home season ticketholders or corporate groups that didn't use all 25 tickets, so it was possibly the largest crowd ever in that building, and because of the GA seating, it had a different vibe than usual.

Lots of fun and they fans clearly embraced the NIT, unlike some other venues.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 26, 2015

DrewDawg said:
What was cool is that it was general admission. So while it wasn't technically a sell-out, every person in the announced attendance was there because every ticket purchased was in effect a walk up. There were no stay at home season ticketholders or corporate groups that didn't use all 25 tickets, so it was possibly the largest crowd ever in that building, and because of the GA seating, it had a different vibe than usual.

Lots of fun and they fans clearly embraced the NIT, unlike some other venues.

You weren't the fan that SportsCenter featured last night, were you?

I kid, I kid.

DukeSox · Mar 26, 2015

mabrowndog said:
You clearly had a better view than these folks. But holy crap did that place explode...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVGaknpYCL0

ohmigod flashback nightmares - that's the exact same play that Gordon Heyward on Butler ran against Duke in 2010 championship game, but he had about 0.3 less seconds to get it off in time, so he missed. Terrifying.

DJnVa · Mar 26, 2015

RedOctober3829 said:
You weren't the fan that SportsCenter featured last night, were you?

I kid, I kid.

This is NOT me:

Old Fart Tree · Apr 4, 2015

We're #69!!!

SumnerH · Apr 4, 2015

DrewDawg said:
The NIT is doing this as well, and a 4 foot restricted area.

I really think that both the NBA and college should implement the shot clock change here. The NBA shot clock always seems crazy short, and the NCAA clock feels lugubrious at times. Moving to 30 seconds feels really right for both leagues. It's a tough call with no philosophical solution, but in practice the 30 second time seems pretty reasonable.

Now, the restricted area is essentially a no defense zone and should be completely eliminated. It's pretty obvious horseshit to anyone who watches basketball-letting the Shaqs of the world throw elbows without penalty makes the game unwatchable. Offensive fouls are already wildly under called, rules that limit them near the basket are horrible.

DJnVa · Apr 4, 2015

Some college coaches want to move down to 24.

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