It's secondary information. I saw people saying that the information was from Vegas Insider. I do not know where on the VI website this information would be located.Average Reds said:
2015 Michigan Football: Getting Real Real, Real Fast
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sachmoney said:
That's fine. Just seems like the movement of the line is at odds with the report of where the money is going. But ultimately not my concerns.
Go Blue.
This is the thread I had read, FWIW: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-msu-vegas-spread-increasingAverage Reds said:
specific post where the trap talk begins: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-msu-vegas-spread-increasing#comment-3440937
OK, I see that.
I'm with the poster who made comment #21. Bookmakers aren't in the business of exposing themselves to one side of the bet or another. At least not sports books that want to stay open.
I'm with the poster who made comment #21. Bookmakers aren't in the business of exposing themselves to one side of the bet or another. At least not sports books that want to stay open.
This is pretty funny. Faux Harbaugh on campus at MSU
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As much as I want to believe, and as much as this is not based in anything Xs and Os, I fear a reality check is in order and Sparty takes it something like 20-16
Will they come out flat after playing nearly flawlessly against Northwestern? Or can they continue with the kind of execution they've shown almost all year outside of the Utah (and perhaps Maryland) game?
I'm guessing they continue to execute. Michigan 31 - 17.
I'm guessing they continue to execute. Michigan 31 - 17.
Now you know what BC goes through every time the special teams head out on the field. Shitty way to lose a game. But you're still in the hunt for a good bowl game and maybe even the Rose Bowl if you can run the table and a couple of things break your way.twibnotes said:
Karma bitches. Great win for MSU. Having your hearts ripped out like that is perfect karma for a fanbase that has been sending death threats to your punter since the game ended. Walverine Nation is pathetic.
Knew I had to leave just after 6:30 last night for a 50th birthday dinner, so I set the DVR and headed out. Drive to the restaurant where the party was took about an hour and as we pulled into the parking lot my phone starts going crazy with text messages. Foolishly, I checked them.
Soul-crushing would be a good description of the ending. But in the long run, just a (rather significant) bump in the road back to dominance.
Yes, I'm actually trying to convince myself of this.
Soul-crushing would be a good description of the ending. But in the long run, just a (rather significant) bump in the road back to dominance.
Yes, I'm actually trying to convince myself of this.
Good news is, you're right.Average Reds said:
This loss sucks bc it sucks to lose that way, especially against Michigan State (my disdain for them has escalated to Buckeye hatred levels). The silver lining is that the loss does not suck as a sign of the future. We are still heading in a great direction.
Imagine that game if we had a QB with 70 pct of Connor Cook's skills (a reasonable expectation in the future) - we roll to an easy win.
Terrible way to end what had been a great day, obviously. The loss hurts, but I don't think this team is a legitimate NC contender this year with Rudock at QB, so probably not the end of the world.
Rudock didn't play great, but he also didn't turn the ball over, and kept them in position to win the game. Jourdan Lewis had his worst game of the season, the OL really struggled most of the time, and the personal foul calls, the defensive holding, and the non-call on the Ruduck facemask were large, too.
Most of us expected us to be at 5-2 here before the season, and plenty of outsiders thought we were being Pollyanna to think so. So here we are, with a better team than expected ready for the second half. And we get to watch Jabrill.
Rudock didn't play great, but he also didn't turn the ball over, and kept them in position to win the game. Jourdan Lewis had his worst game of the season, the OL really struggled most of the time, and the personal foul calls, the defensive holding, and the non-call on the Ruduck facemask were large, too.
Most of us expected us to be at 5-2 here before the season, and plenty of outsiders thought we were being Pollyanna to think so. So here we are, with a better team than expected ready for the second half. And we get to watch Jabrill.
I mean, I get the optimism, but is it really a reasonable expectation to have a QB who is going to be a top 5-8 pick?twibnotes said:
I think he was saying Connor Cook is going to be a top 5 pick, but either way, I think that's getting bogged down. The biggest talent gap on the field between the teams was probably at QB (maybe at WR - hard to disentangle).
I know that's what he was saying, but it was non-responsive to the actual statement twibnotes made. The point isn't whether Michigan has a QB who's better tha MSU's QB; it's whether it has a QB good enough to win the conference. This year, it doesn't. It's not unreasonable to believe that within the next few years, it will.bowiac said:
Sorry, for some reason, I read it as Cook's 70% completion % or something.
As much as I hate him, Harbaugh has UM pointed in the right direction, much faster than I thought. NCAA Football is better off with a top-10 UM team.
As much as I hate him, Harbaugh has UM pointed in the right direction, much faster than I thought. NCAA Football is better off with a top-10 UM team.
For clarity's sake, all I meant is that I think Harbaugh will typically have a QB who is a good bit better than Rudock. I applaud how Rudock manages the game, but every week he misses some wide open throws downfield. Other teams know that, and it absolutely affects how teams defend Michigan.
WayBackVazquez said:
I think that may be a bit hard on Lewis. He was matched up with a fantastic wide receiver all day long, and while Burbridge had 9 catches, he also had 19 targets, which was the 2nd most targets of any WR in a game in the FBS this season. I would bet if Burbridge gets 19 targets in a game, he has double digit catches and multiple touchdowns against almost any other defensive back in the country. Lewis won a ton of battles, and most of the time when he didn't, he still had great coverage and got beat by a perfect throw (usually back shoulder which are brutal to defend).
Rudock managed the game pretty well, and like you said, didn't turn the ball over, but he also missed some big, big chances. The overthrow on the wide open Chesson late in the game being the most glaring. That ball was a pretty good example of a miss Rudock has made many times. He needs to put air under his deep balls, and have faith his receivers will run under it, instead of trying to fire one perfectly. Chesson is one of the fastest guys in the country, just throw it out there and let him go get it. Instead, he overthrows a bullet by about 5 yards and doesn't even give him a chance to make a play.
Michigan's biggest weakness, in comparison to the rest of the top tier teams in the country, is the skill positions on offense. QB, WR and RB's. I believe that's something that is going to change very quickly as Harbaugh gets a couple of recruiting classes in him. If they get a top tier QB, they will be a perennial national champion contender, and maybe as early as next year.
Really fun game to watch yesterday. They probably deserved to win, but gotta give credit to the Spartans too. Winning at Michigan is never easy, and they were in position to do so all day long. IMO, Michigan State is getting very, very little respect as an undefeated team, given the level of competition they've played. They may not have the prettiest wins, but they win, and have been doing so for a bunch of years. I'm looking forward to their game against OSU.
It is too bad the AD had to issue a statement urging certain fans to lay off the punter -- lest they lose the game twice, which was an apt way to put it.
I have no rooting interest here, other than thinking football is better when certain programs are good. Michigan is one of those. I have no part of any rivalry, and I'm not trolling.
Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but in terms of the fan response, I expected better from Michigan.
The AD statement was absolutely the right thing to do.
I have no rooting interest here, other than thinking football is better when certain programs are good. Michigan is one of those. I have no part of any rivalry, and I'm not trolling.
Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but in terms of the fan response, I expected better from Michigan.
The AD statement was absolutely the right thing to do.
For the record, how many of you, in real time, were thinking "just recover and go down" instead of "kick it?" I know I was in the "get rid of it, kick it" crowd. That was not a good snap. Blake should have just gone down there. However, I'm not sure that it's something that crossed his mind. It didn't cross my mind until after. It's unfortunate. The whole tweeting hate thing is embarrassing and stupid. I'm not surprised that people would stoop to that level, but it doesn't make it any less terrible when it happens, to any player on any team.
Using that Harbaugh Lion King quote pretty hard right now. It's in the past.
Using that Harbaugh Lion King quote pretty hard right now. It's in the past.
It's pretty stupid and lazy (especially for you) to trot out the old "expect better from" trope in a situation like this. It's 2015, and Twitter exists. Every time there is a major sporting event for the rest of eternity in which there is an easily identifiable "goat," there will be some idiots in that team's fanbase who spout some form of "you should kill yourself" in whatever is the medium du jour. What kind of tweets do you think Bill Buckner would have received in 1986?dcmissle said:
I was at the game yesterday, have been in Ann Arbor all weekend, and if it makes you feel better, I haven't heard anyone threaten our punter's life. I'm sure kenneycb probably had a different experience at the Brown Jug.
Well that's good to hear.
Every Saturday mints villains and losses impossible to stomach. You don't see an AD issue something like this very often. I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that the University was, if not concerned, then embarrassed.
Every Saturday mints villains and losses impossible to stomach. You don't see an AD issue something like this very often. I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that the University was, if not concerned, then embarrassed.
Someone from mgoblog analyzed the negative tweets and said they were 90 pct from teenagers for whatever that is worth.dcmissle said:
Hackett has exhibited excellent leadership since the day he became interim AD.
Edit: one thing to add...if you had a kid playing college ball, wouldn't you urge him to NOT have a Twitter account? I know kids love it, but it seems like a lot of downside with not much upside.
For every good tweet, there probably are 100 that are regrettable.
As for the second guessing, the natural inclination is to try to get the punt off. Even if it goes for 10 or 25 yards, that's probably the game.
And there has been plenty of second guessing. If I heard Mark May correctly, they should not have even attempted a punt but instead run into the line. That's easy to say now, but then you are giving State at least one shot into the end zone.
You practice this stuff all year and you execute it a good number of times every game. It is reasonable to expect that you'll be able to execute.
As for the second guessing, the natural inclination is to try to get the punt off. Even if it goes for 10 or 25 yards, that's probably the game.
And there has been plenty of second guessing. If I heard Mark May correctly, they should not have even attempted a punt but instead run into the line. That's easy to say now, but then you are giving State at least one shot into the end zone.
You practice this stuff all year and you execute it a good number of times every game. It is reasonable to expect that you'll be able to execute.
Yeah, that's why I wasn't second guessing so much as reconciling my personal reaction in the moment with his. Given what happened, I agree that they should have just ran the ball instead of punting. A fumble can happen on any play, but a punter is so much more vulnerable than a running back or QB. Also, do you tell your punter to run toward the line if the snap is botched? Do you put that even in his head? You don't want any doubt in that kid's head...dcmissle said:
Regardless, what's done is done.
Y'know, I was very close to writing a post in Saturday's game thread about how nice it must be to have a coach who you know will absolutely nail his clock management at the end of the game. Because Harbaugh's use of the clock right up until the final play was perfect - whereas Dantonio wound up using his final timeout just before the 4th and 18 play, which could have been the difference between having 30-35 seconds with which to gain 40 yards and maybe try a long field goal. In fact...
...I do wonder if Harbaugh was so precise and methodical about the end-of-game situation that he did in fact say something to the punter, words to the effect of, "Just make sure you catch the ball and kick it, no matter what happens." That's the sort of thoroughness which can actually make the kid think about catching the ball, which might turn an automatic process into a conscious one.
By the way, I'm pretty sure noises came out of Sean McDonough's mouth during that final play which haven't been heard since Sid Bream was crossing home plate at the end of the 1992 NLCS.
sachmoney said:
...I do wonder if Harbaugh was so precise and methodical about the end-of-game situation that he did in fact say something to the punter, words to the effect of, "Just make sure you catch the ball and kick it, no matter what happens." That's the sort of thoroughness which can actually make the kid think about catching the ball, which might turn an automatic process into a conscious one.
By the way, I'm pretty sure noises came out of Sean McDonough's mouth during that final play which haven't been heard since Sid Bream was crossing home plate at the end of the 1992 NLCS.
WayBackVazquez said:
In possibly related news, UM has pulled the roster spot offer (but will honor the scholarship if he wants it) to Southfield's Matt Falcon (knee injury). He'll surely move on.
Jug week brings the toughest conference road test yet.
Harbaugh was 1-2-1 coming off a bye week in San Francisco, and 4-1 at Stanford.
Harbaugh was 1-2-1 coming off a bye week in San Francisco, and 4-1 at Stanford.
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Couldn't help but notice the appropriate number of points they currently have in the AP Poll....
Jerry Kill just stepped down as coach of the Gophers. Mentioned his epilepsy at his PC. Seems like a great guy. Not sure how this will affect the Gophers this weekend.
Now that is a headline you don't see every day!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-claims-sports-star-jabrill-peppers-gave-chlamydia-article-1.2414304
Might be a distraction the coach would prefer not to have....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-claims-sports-star-jabrill-peppers-gave-chlamydia-article-1.2414304
Might be a distraction the coach would prefer not to have....
Not as interesting as crazy ex-girlfriends maybe, but pretty cool story today about a couple of Michigan fans that met in the espn.com comments and ended up getting married.
I think I've met the groom through one of the other people mentioned/involved in that article. Feels weird to be tangential to this, but good for Brandon and Kate.
Minny going play action about 75% of the time. Need to just play balanced d on the early downs and let our athleticism beat the run.
Very Indy Colts/Dave Brandon of Minnesota to crank Ozzy Osbourne over the loudspeakers on second down. I'm sure the band loves it.
Glad the Gophers were playing for the first half win.
Lot of flukey in that half, but the offense needs to get its shit together,
Lot of flukey in that half, but the offense needs to get its shit together,
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