2015 Eagles: What the hell is going on here?!

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ivanvamp said:
It would be great if McCoy would me man enough tell us what that "reason" is that Kelly "got rid of all the [good] black players."  
 
(on another hilarious note:  how funny is it that McCoy is basically saying that all the black players still left on the Eagles must not be any good)
 
If you can't read between the lines there, I don't know what to tell you.
 
He's saying Kelly likes to be the sharpest dresser in the room.
 

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How does that reporter not followup with a question asking McCoy if he thinks Demarco Murray is or is not a "good player"?
 
Because that kills the follow-up story.
 

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I agree the two most stunning parts, calling all other black players on the team not "good" and the complete lack of follow-up to the idiocy he spewed from the reporter.  I swear these mediots are losing any ability to actually report, they would rather live in the twitter universe and single liners to get national attention or write puff pieces loaded with racist acquisitions than actually write a complete interview.  He could have nailed LeSean, but chose to go for the layup knowing this will be all over PTI and the other rant shows.  It's a bit of a sad reflection on current times.
 

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Seems that Shady's just as fast with his mouth as he is with his feet.  Perhaps that fact is part of the reason Chip was willing to move on.
 
Good luck in Buffalo, Shady.
 

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He is channeling SAS.

No dog in this division fight, but I hope the Eagles run away with it to stop the nonsense.
 

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So Foles got dumped. He's white. The Eagles drafted 5 black players last week.(out of 6) And replaced McCoy with Murry. Yeah, McCoy is running his mouth a bit here with very little evidence.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
 
If you can't read between the lines there, I don't know what to tell you.
 
He's saying Kelly likes to be the sharpest dresser in the room.
 
Oh I can read between the lines just fine.  But if McCoy is going to call Kelly a racist, he should, you know, have the guts to come right out and say it.
 

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Oh I can read between the lines just fine.  But if McCoy is going to call Kelly a racist, he should, you know, have the guts to come right out and say it.
 
This x 100%, if you are going to throw that BS out have the balls and decency to sign your name and call him a racist.  Alas he picked the right time to be a moron, this won't even be picked up in the media cycle destroying that reporters day in the sun by the 2 headed monster that is ball pressure. 
 

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He is throwing his toys out of the pram, and has been since he got traded.

Buffalo must be delighted he is so obviously happy to be out of philly.

The racism thing is pretty ridiculous. More likely this stuff (which was happening all year about opponents) and the fact he says he doesn't respect Kelly would be the reason.

Kelly has shown absolutely no tolerance for non team top character players or players who don't buy 100% in his systems. Jackson was fantastic in that offence and was cut.

It's clear again in the draft all are high character enough to be mentioned in draft blurb, many team captains etc.
 

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Eagles add some depth to replace Mathis by adding Moffitt on a one year deal.
Minimum salary no guaranteed money, so zero risk. Interestingly he reportedly turned down more money and guaranteed more money from the Texans (some reports say others offered more too- but only guaranteed money I have heard was Texans)
 
I assume this means he thinks he'll get a shot to compete (and frankly that's Kelly's way so he probably will)
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/6/29/8860799/eagles-john-moffitt-contract-broncos-seahawks-retire-offensive-guard-line-wisconsin-culture
 
Pre retiring to address drug issues etc he wasn't a bad player (depsite his issues).
 
Some might question Kelly taking a questionable character given his treatment of naysayers this offseason. But Kelly has a history of giving people who turn things around and show remorse a second chance at Oregon (Cooper is the best NFL example). He will punish players but if they respond positively he's not one to give up. If he's turned his life around he could add some depth or even push to start at RG (I think Babre is pencilled in at LG) 
 

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So Training camp is underway.
Travis Long, a potential contributing OLB, has blown out his aCL for the second straight year and is done for the season. This means the depth there is a concern, and last year's first round pick MArcus Smith is actually increasingly likely to have to actually contribute, if not he's probably officially a bust.
 
Bradford is in a small knee sleeve and was a little rusty day one but impressing since.
 
Practices by the way are not full contact, so it's very hard to know what to make of pass rushing, and the lines in particular. 
 
The Eagles traded away Boykin for a 5th that could become a 4th to the Steelers, which is a nod to how how they are with their young corners right now. Carroll and Shepherd in particular are getting love and praise from every direction. Rowe is yet to shine but hasn't done anything wrong. Thruman continues to play at safety and look good going it. 
 
Key battles, who plays guard? Babre looks set at LG at the moment and it's a Tobin, Moffitt Gardner etc competition for the right side. 
Corner who starts as slot/ nickel with Boykin gone. Looks like Shepherd (who could be some steal in the 5th) is the leader and it's Carroll vs Rowe for the spot opposite Maxwell (who has looked great). 
 
Chatter is that Barkley looks crap again and there really is a solid shot Tebow makes the roster right now. 
 
The defense looks a lot lot better. The D line is very good and very young and Hart should add some depth. ILB is loaded, Kendricks, Alonso and Ryans will all play and there's real depth behind that in Jones, Hicks Goode (my bet would be Jones shifts to more OLB), OLB is not deep but Barwin and new full time starter Graham look good. There is chat about giving Curry reps from there too as a pass rusher though only. The secondary still questions but the talent level is so much higher than a year ago. Safety is a big concern Thurman has never played there and is injury prone, but has looked good. They have probably 5 corners I prefer to last year's starters, so hopeful for some real improvement. 
 
On offense the big question is the line, where both guard spots are up for grabs and the depth is a concern. IF Peters or Johnson goes down the tackle depth is yeah eek.
RB the team is silly, which makes the line so important, if the line can play the backs will shine. The team is made to wear down defenses and I could see some big runs late as Matthews and Murry slam at you and Sproles jukes you. 
WR Matthews looks the real deal. Fantasy fans be aware this guy is legit. Huff looks good too. Cooper somehow is still playing a lot, but I suspect he'll drop as the rookies get bedded in etc. He's hard to cut this year due to dead money but next I suspect unless he improves a lot he'll be gone.
TE Ertz looks better than ever and coaches say his blocking is a lot better. Celek has not looked great. 
At QB Bradford has been good, Sanchez decent and then Tebow has looked good running, but in non contact drills eh not sure you can tell much. The thought is he could be a weapon in the red zone, and he is better throwing than he was. Which isn't saying much. But Barkley is not showing much and doesn't offer anything different. 
 
Looks like a pretty good team. Really big. Defense looks legitimately good, with the secondary being the only real concern, and frankly the safeties in the whole division show how few teams have that position in good shape. The corners look exciting if young. Maxwell leads, Rowe, Shepherd, Carroll  all very young and look like players. But having two 1st/ 2nd year players in the nickel package at CB doesn't scream no mistakes. So we shall see. Thurman if healthy could really make a difference at safety opposite Jenkins but behind him it's nothing but question marks (eg Wolff can he get on the field!?). If Bradford is healthy and the guards can perform adequately this is a good team.
 

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oh and chip kelly racism thing, the more I read the more it seems like he's more aspergers than he is racist.
He can't relate to you, isn't chatty in the corridors (literally one complaint).
 
It's worth noting everyone who has complained has done it after leaving the team and all those who were originally under Andy Reid (bar Williams who never met anyone he couldn't get upset about)  
Reid was the opposite extreme, cared deeply that the players liked him and was genuinely interested in their family etc
 
Chip Kelly loves football, he doesn't have a family and he doesn't watch reality TV nor play video games. That doesn't make him racist and it's not something I'm worried about. I think if not for the Cooper incident this wouldn't even be coming up. I struggle to criticise giving a player a second chance after being caught on camera doing something stupid drunk. He wasn't driving, beating his girlfriend, doing drugs or using a gun so seems like if you want to be upset about players getting a second chance there are a lot more deserving cases. But I do understand that the straight PR of it in isolation was not good. Bound to be some awkward moment between Cooper and other team mates as a result.  
 

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Sam Bradford... where to begin!? I've been banging the drum for homie since the 2012 offseason, and only now is the western world coming around to my way of thought. No one remotely near the organization is any less than effusive. Teammates and beat writers are astonished. Twitter is alight. Lane Johnson says he's "like a machine." It's been a fucking artillery display. This is a number one pick, mind you, taken sixteen months removed from having ruthlessly dominated the Big 12 as a teen.
 
What's more, his supposed durability concerns have been drastically overblown. Dr. James Carey, one of the head orthopaedic surgeons at the University of Pennsylvania, has this to say.
 
What to make of it? Carey likened an ACL tear to pulling out a kitchen drawer just hard enough that it jumps off the rails and hits the ground. Oftentimes, you fix the stop, put the drawer back in its grooves and the issue never comes up again. But in some cases, the same elements come together and the drawer pops back out.
 
"In my opinion, I don't think that he's at an increased risk for a third injury any more so than his other knee or the knees of any other NFL quarterback."
 
"I think it's mostly the environment that the athletes are in. In football, there are a lot of ankle sprains and ACL ruptures. It's part of the nature of the game. I think all of the athletes are vulnerable to these injuries -- it's part of the game -- but I don't think that any one athlete is systematically more prone to these injuries than any other athlete, really."
 
 
The Rams medical staff and Dr. James Andrews offer up strikingly similar opinions.
 
"I think it’s just kind of one of those freak deals," said Bradford at his introductory press conference. "From everyone I’ve talked to – our team doctors in St. Louis, Dr. [James] Andrews, they just thought that it was one of those things where they felt like I got hit a certain way two times and regardless of whether my ACL was an original, a repair, it was going to tear. So I think it just happened."
 
 
He's suffered four injuries: a pair of ACL ruptures, which ostensibly would not place him at heightened risk; an AC joint sprain of more than five years ago; and a high ankle sprain from behind an offensive line that would surrender 114 QB hits. He's yet to miss time with any other malady, and he's started every game in every other college or professional season.
 
On the field, Bradford has been historically risk-averse. Despite woeful O-lines, anonymous receivers, a mediocre-to-bad running game, zero homefield advantage, playing incessantly from behind, and (shudder) Brian Schottenheimer, Bradford's career interception rate is fourth-lowest among qualified players. He trails Rodgers, Brady, and O'Donnell. Rams receivers were top-six in drops three of the four years Bradford played there, and the line was probably the most penalized in football (20th, 31st, 29th, 26th). Their PFF grades for pass blocking were ninth-worst on average.... It was and still is a tire fire.
 
Philadelphia houses at least four of the six best receivers Bradford has ever had, as well as a palpably elite rushing attack and a well-regarded offensive line. They run eleven additional plays per game. Matthews, Ertz, even Agholor could conceivably ascend to stardom, while all three tailbacks are proficient pass catchers. He's had an electric training camp, as I say, completing 96 of 122 passes thus far for eight touchdowns and a pick. This guy piloted the Eagles to a 13th-best QBR last year. Nick Foles had them sixth.
 
Watch this video. It is seven minutes long. It contains every throw of 15+ yards attempted by Bradford in 2011 — by far his worst season. Completion percentage on these throws is 45% leaguewide. From beyond 20 yards that number dips below 40%. Featuring Danario Alexander, Brandons Lloyd and Gibson, Michaels Sims-Walker and Hoomanawanui, Mark Clayton, rookies Lance Kendricks, Austin Pettis, and Greg Salas, and the worst O-line in the NFL, I give you arm tool bondage porn.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaN2GAROPno
 
I am selecting this guy several rounds early in every fantasy draft. He is going to rewire our perception of quarterbacks and the role they play within offensive schemata.
 

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Got to give to to you--best performance by a QB receiving no protection throwing to receivers achieving  no separation. 
 
Go Iggles--dream opponent for SB50; Lynch and Sherman are too obnoxious.
 

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I just don't get how you haven't extended bradford
You made this huge decision to trade for him, I understand waiting as mariota was plausible but if you are really in for him surely you can't let him be a free agent after a good season. Right?
 

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It's a two way street...Bradford probably thinks he can make significantly more money with a healthy, productive season in that Eagles offense this year.
 

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It's a two way street...Bradford probably thinks he can make significantly more money with a healthy, productive season in that Eagles offense this year.
 
Sure but if he gets hurt again he's probably getting about sweet f all.
You'd think they'd be a middle ground. We shall see. Maybe they want to see him in some games before committing to a deal Bradford would be comfortable with. 
 
In other news the Eagles had 43,000 fans at the Linc for a practice session. Wow
 
In potentially awful news Shepherd (who was looking like he was going to start at nickel) is feared to have torn his ACL in a bit of a freak collision with Sproles. That would be a blow, esp after trading Boykin in part due to him. MRI today will confirm or not. 
 

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Some pretty encouraging things about the opening pre season game.
1) The offensive talent is legitimate. The super young and unproven WR core flashed Agholor in particular who caught a horrible Sanchez pass spun and blew away the colts secondary 
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CMjB8cgVAAAqb1H.mp4
Huff has flashed in camp and Matthews looks like the real deal. Ertz is exciting at TE and the Murray, Matthews, Sproles (+1?) backfield looks scary.
2) The secondary also flashed. Rookie Rowe had a strip tackle for a fumble and was involved in a second. 2nd year safety Ed reynolds had two interceptions. It's not clear where everything settles yet but even with the very disappointing injury to another Rookie (Shepherd) the influx of talent at the weak point of the team is real. 
3) Speaking of which, it's really nice to see development. Reynolds, Matthews, Huff, Marcus Smith the list goes on, development progress in a lot of spots.
4) The d-line the Eagles have is NASTY. Logan and the whole line destroyed the run game even with the top 3 inside linebackers missing from the game. This line is young, talented and deep. Hart I think would be getting snaps on most teams is struggling to dress and even keeping one guy on the practice squad they'll be cutting a good player or two.
5) Punt return touchdown. Special teams focus hasn't gone down, the Eagles will likely be good here again, if not as lucky as last year.
 
The bad.
1) Sanchez was bad. This team is much improved on D on paper and looks very exciting on offense and special teams should be good to very good. The big questions are can Bradford stay healthy and can the o-line survive with two question marks at Guard and the depth looking shaky. Sanchez did nothing to suggest that if Bradford gets hurts he can do a lot. The guard play was pretty ok though so that's nice.
2) Barkley was more good than bad, started great but had a pick on a deflection. Tebow was his usual mix of exciting and head shakingly awful. Neither of them inspire a lot ex Bradford either.
3) Watkins whiffed on the colts TD run, just completely missed a tackle. Not what he needed as he fights for the slot corner role.
4) Parkey missed extra point and missed 30 something yard FG. Call it a warning sign for now.
 
If Bradford is healthy this team could be really good. EX him they could still comnpete for the playoffs, but they ain't going anywhere without him. 
Depth is an issue at OLB (Marcus Smith really needs to step up, which given he's a first round pick in his second year should really be as concerning as it sounds) and the o-line. Barbre looks locked in at LG and I hope Moffitt can claim the RG, but there is a horde of solid/ ok players waiting for someone to claim the job. The good news is that the depth at guard should be solid. But this team has issues if either tackle goes down. Reynolds improving would really help the depth concerns at safety, because while Thurman is looking like he could really stick there in practice we know he has injury question marks and we haven't seen if he can hit as he'll need to. Wolfe looks like he's on his way out to me, so Reynolds would be a nice bit of news.
 
All in all I'm getting a bit excited. Bradford in practice looks like he could be a difference maker, I'm totally on board with the talent on offense and the D looks better. Really good front 7 (and deep apart from OLB) with just a lot more talent in the secondary, we'll see if the scheme works better with that talent, but it's better. The team post Kelly's make over imo is better. But he'll be judged on Bradford at the end of the day.
 

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with all the usual caveats about pre-season, what was notable to me is that the Eagles dominated the line of scrimmage. Lots of skill players weren't playing on both sides and I don't know the rosters well enough to speak to which OL/DL guys were out or what have you, but it sure as hell stuck out that the Colts looked like a college team going against the pros.
 

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The starters for the oline played 11 snaps. Two series basically. It was all second strong guys after that, though at at least one spot (RG) who is first and second is not clear)
 
On the D line it was similar the top guys played ~10 snaps (Logan, Cox, Curry Thornton) The back up guys played most of the game.
 
I don't know how the colts played it but the d line dominated until the dregs who aren't making the team came in. The players how got the most snaps were generally the outsiders looking in, plus young players they are trying to make decisions on.
The Eagles D line is legit, and remember than Ryans, Kendricks and alonso three really decent middle linebackers didn't play at all, so you had the 2s 3s and below in at linebacker the whole game.
 
Eagles Run D is legit. Was last year, might be better this. IF the secondary is better this D will look good. They'll suck stats wise on counting stats though due to the Kelly pace. Even in a game the Eagles won easily the Colts had a huge time of possession advantage.
 

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I feel like the pre season schedule is designed to make pats fans cheer for the Eagles. Colts and Ravens so far.
Ravens tonight

Marcus Smith hurt his hamstring and will miss most if not all the remaining preseason. Olb is now THIN that's the fifth injury at the position. Three have been season ending or ending in a cut. Probably the biggest depth and injury concern for the team. It was uncomfortable needing Marcus Smith but he was an unknown not a disaster. Behind him they're trying Vinnie Curry. He can rush the Passer but not sure about anything else. Could luck into a find. Could make the team look for a depth signing.

Edit oh yeah and the jets are week 4 preseason. Come on guys Eagles should be your nfc team this year. Preseason has spoken.
 

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it's fun watching the Eagles kick the ass of Pats' rivals....
 

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The Eagles pre-season opponents are literally defenseless. There is nothing resembling a game plan against this stuff, especially if they are not on your schedule.

This is not to diminish the Eagles' execution, just to note that the regular season will be different.
 

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The Eagles pre-season opponents are literally defenseless. There is nothing resembling a game plan against this stuff, especially if they are not on your schedule.

This is not to diminish the Eagles' execution, just to note that the regular season will be different.
 
Figuratively.
 

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It is fun, though to see Chip in full FU mode. I hope he succeeds and sticks in the NFL.
 

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Pretty impressive win but of course it's preseason so eh.
But the Eagles secondary hasn't given up a 20+ yard passing play, which frankly seems like every other play last year. And the first team defense (missing all three top ilb so far) hasn't given up anything.

The fluke of all the special teams TDs? Well two games two punt return TDs and the fourth string rb competition is better than some teams first. Barner makes the team , with mostert makes the practice squad.

The offensive depth is nice. Three maybe four deep at rb, five deep at wr, if bradford stays healthy they are going score a lot. The d looks better. We shall see but it's all encouraging. The team post the makeover looks deeper and better and the final cuts are going to see numerous players good enough for a roster spot not make it.

The ugly side of the game was the Ravens.
To the surprise of no one they took a couple of ridiculous cheap shots.

This late, low cheap shot by Suggs on bradford deserves a fine if not a suspension.
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And another raven was caught by deadspin punching an eagle in the stomach.
 

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I was fun watching Harbaugh in full crybaby mode all night. If I didn't know better, I'd have sworn the officials were trolling.
 

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At first I was confused watching the video. Harbaugh and Suggs were complaining? I thought it had to be Chip Kelly.

Somehow this year (surprise?!?!?) my hate for John Harbaugh and the Ravens is at an all-time high. You whiny bitch.

I really believe they thought that play was legitimate. I guess Harbaugh, Kensil, Vincent et al actually believe all the lies about the Patriots. As someone said today in one of the ball ghazi threads, this resentment against the Pats has no bounds YET they think the cheapest and typically Ravens dirty play is OK and should be argued and pouted against in the most vehement way - even in a fucking preseason game!!!

Don't ever forget what the NEP did to your team last Winter.

I will never forget it and hopefully your loser team and dirty nasty criminal asorganization will never recover from it. You deserve a Detroit Lions like decade of suckitude.
 

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I just want to thank Chip Kelly for Tebow Time. He's no better than he was, but he's always been entertaining as hell. The roll out where he never saw the wide open guy in the end zone is so TEBOW.
 

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I just want to thank Chip Kelly for Tebow Time. He's no better than he was, but he's always been entertaining as hell. The roll out where he never saw the wide open guy in the end zone is so TEBOW.
 
The problem with the - he can be good for short yardage and goal line and 2pt conversions etc is that you ahve to dress him for that, and frankly there are more useful options than him for those spots.
If he has to start, they're done. So what's the point. He's actually looked better throwing but he is basically done if the first option isn't wide open. He has not speed at progressions and a slow release on top, which is not always accurate and sometimes just awful. 
The Eagles are going to cut some good players, there is no reason to add another for Tebow.
 

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Blandino has ruled the hit legal; obviously he was trying to end his career. What a dirty scumbag Suggs is.
 
He did? It was flagged and the official word was that it was a correctly called penalty. 
If that's legal, given Kelly doesn't actually have Bradford running at all yet there's no reason to risk it.
 
Regardless of whether that's a clean hit (which is a frickin joke btw) going after the knees deliberately, late, in a preseason game is pathetic. Scumbag indeed
 

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Having finally seen several replays, all I can say is that Blandino is a joke.  Regardles of how the NFL parses that play, Suggs was clearly intent on injuring Bradford - he dove straight for the knees well after the ball had been handed off.  If that's not illegal, then the NFL is inviting player injuries.
 
Going to be a long year for Baltimore if they play like this, because teams will eventually begin to retaliate with "legal" plays of their own. 
 

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Having finally seen several replays, all I can say is that Blandino is a joke.  Regardles of how the NFL parses that play, Suggs was clearly intent on injuring Bradford - he dove straight for the knees well after the ball had been handed off.  If that's not illegal, then the NFL is inviting player injuries.
 
Damn it, don't make me defend Dean Blandino. 

The NFL Supervisor of officials said the referee's call - roughing the passer - was incorrect because ... well, he's not a passer under the rules. The referee could have flagged Suggs for unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for the low hit. But the referee made the wrong call (verbally) during the game and Blandino had no choice but to explain the technicalities of the rule. 

I'll go take my second shower of the day, thank you very much.
 

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Damn it, don't make me defend Dean Blandino. 

The NFL Supervisor of officials said the referee's call - roughing the passer - was incorrect because ... well, he's not a passer under the rules. The referee could have flagged Suggs for unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for the low hit. But the referee made the wrong call (verbally) during the game and Blandino had no choice but to explain the technicalities of the rule. 

I'll go take my second shower of the day, thank you very much.
 
Could he not have said, it wasn't roughing the passer but it was a personal foul?
 
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Damn it, don't make me defend Dean Blandino. 

The NFL Supervisor of officials said the referee's call - roughing the passer - was incorrect because ... well, he's not a passer under the rules. The referee could have flagged Suggs for unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for the low hit. But the referee made the wrong call (verbally) during the game and Blandino had no choice but to explain the technicalities of the rule. 

I'll go take my second shower of the day, thank you very much.
 
Why is it unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for a low hit?  He's not a passer anymore, you're allowed to hit him low.  He's no different than a RB at that point.  
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
Damn it, don't make me defend Dean Blandino. 

The NFL Supervisor of officials said the referee's call - roughing the passer - was incorrect because ... well, he's not a passer under the rules. The referee could have flagged Suggs for unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for the low hit. But the referee made the wrong call (verbally) during the game and Blandino had no choice but to explain the technicalities of the rule. 

I'll go take my second shower of the day, thank you very much.
 
No need for a shower, as I understand that you are correct.  (This is why I dismissively sneered that Blandino was "parsing" the play.)
 
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Why is it unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for a low hit?  He's not a passer anymore, you're allowed to hit him low.  He's no different than a RB at that point.  
 
Unsportsmanlike conduct is in the eye of the beholder.  Targeting the knees alone is enough if the ref thinks there is an intent to injure.
 
The larger point is that the evolution of the offensive game has create a disconnect between the rules designed to protect QBs and offensive strategies that technically take a QB out of the category that would give him enhanced protection while doing nothing to make him less vulnerable. 
 
By not even acknowledging this inconsistency, Blandino missed an opportunity to begin the process of closing the loophole or otherwise bringing rationality to the rules governing what was clearly a dirty play.
 

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Why is it unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for a low hit?  He's not a passer anymore, you're allowed to hit him low.  He's no different than a RB at that point.  
That's the point that required clarification and why Blandino spoke out. You can't play funky games with your QB and reasonably expect to get passer protection. That is what incensed Harbaugh --- though in fairness, it does not require much to incense him wrt penalties -- and that was the big message the League needed to communicate. The call was wrong.
 

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BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
 
Why is it unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul for a low hit?  He's not a passer anymore, you're allowed to hit him low.  He's no different than a RB at that point.  
 
Judgement calls, so the referee - if he was gonna throw a flag there - should have announced it as one of those, not "roughing the passer", who was - by rule - a runner and not subject to the extra protections. 
 
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By not even acknowledging this inconsistency, Blandino missed an opportunity to begin the process of closing the loophole or otherwise bringing rationality to the rules governing what was clearly a dirty play.
 
Oh totally. Blandino on NFL Network just threw the ref under the bus and didn't bother addressing the actual issue. Because he's a shit weasel. 
 
Shower was good, btw. 
 
Average Reds said:
Unsportsmanlike conduct is in the eye of the beholder.  Targeting the knees alone is enough if the ref thinks there is an intent to injure.
 
 
soxfan121 said:
 
Judgement calls, so the referee - if he was gonna throw a flag there - should have announced it as one of those, not "roughing the passer", who was - by rule - a runner and not subject to the extra protections. 
 
 
When was the last time a tackler was given an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for hitting a RB low or in the knees?
 
It was a clean hit, pure and simple.  Cheap shot?  Sure, it's a fucking preseason game and you're going low on a QB coming off two torn ACLs.  But there was zero reason to flag Suggs.  That hit was perfectly legal against a RB...and that's what Bradford was during that particular play.