2015 Cowboys: Romo Nomo

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This thread should be titled "Romo No Mo," with the "RE" and "done for the year" removed. Come on.


@Greg29fan can change the title, if you ask him nicely.

The serious questions now are whether Romo is done and what you do if he is.

I certainly hope not. I like Romo and wish him well in any game the Pats aren't in. But he is 35, and it's probably an old 35 given how much punishment he has taken.

So you certainly bring him back, but with no realistic expectation he is good for 16 games.

Now what? I would not trust Jerry with this. Stephen yes, Jerry no. I'd be terrified he has RGIII and Manziel itches to scratch.
I agree, but I think Manziel for a conditional 6th round pick ought just be announced now to save us all the waiting. It is gonna happen, just like we will pay taxes and die someday. If Romo is healthy next year, I think the Cowboys are still the most talented team in the division; if Romo isn't healthy, it will be fun to see if Bosoxen's head literally explodes when Manziel moneys the ball into triple coverage against the Giants in a big game.
 
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Eh, Dopes are busy explaining to (a certain someone) that he can't turn every conversation into a pissing match and then dealing with his whining in Backwash about it. #TeamBosoxen
I'm on team "none of the above" but it does seem like some people have a ton of leeway to call people fucktards. Not quite, attack the post, not the poster.
 

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I don't think he's that brittle.

In 2010 he had the shoulder sprain and missed a bunch of time, but then he played all but two regular season games in the next four years, even with the scary back injury. Maybe he should work on the Peyton "giving himself up" thing but that's not really his style -- his sack rate is still better than average.

Obviously the clavicle is a concern but is there any reason to think it won't fully heal in the offseason? And given the backup QB situation, they don't have much choice.
 

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Eh, Dopes are busy explaining to (a certain someone) that he can't turn every conversation into a pissing match and then dealing with his whining in Backwash about it. #TeamBosoxen

@Greg29fan can change the title, if you ask him nicely.



I agree, but I think Manziel for a conditional 6th round pick ought just be announced now to save us all the waiting. It is gonna happen, just like we will pay taxes and die someday. If Romo is healthy next year, I think the Cowboys are still the most talented team in the division; if Romo isn't healthy, it will be fun to see if Bosoxen's head literally explodes when Manziel moneys the ball into triple coverage against the Giants in a big game.
Almost anywhere but Dallas, this might be a logical move. By every account, Johnny Football demonstrated improvement on the field. That's why he was given the rest of the season. But then he lies to Cleveland about the timing of that off field stuff -- and urges his companions to lie to the Browns about it as well.

That probably disqualifies him from half the teams in the League. There is another segment of teams settled at QB short term for which Manziel would make a lot of sense. Dallas is one of those teams, but it has to be the absolutely worse spot in the NFL for him.
 

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The serious questions now are whether Romo is done and what you do if he is.

I certainly hope not. I like Romo and wish him well in any game the Pats aren't in. But he is 35, and it's probably an old 35 given how much punishment he has taken.

So you certainly bring him back, but with no realistic expectation he is good for 16 games.

Now what? I would not trust Jerry with this. Stephen yes, Jerry no. I'd be terrified he has RGIII and Manziel itches to scratch.
I don't know if Romo is done or not, but it would be prudent to proceed as if he were. All NFL fans know how much the QB carousel sucks and, for Cowboys fans in particular, that wound is still pretty fresh. I would hope they would begin planning for the future starting today, so they don't waste the primes of their key players.

Unless there's a Herschel Walker trade to be had with Dez, you have to do what you can to maximize his career. That means ensuring that your QB of the future is on the roster in training camp.
 

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The "fuck you" potential with RG3 is off-the-charts, no? Like, does Jerry blow out Garrett & the offensive staff and give Art Briles a huge contract to be the offensive head coach for one year?
 

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If he gets rid of the coaching staff, I'd rather they bring in a real coach and future QB (I wish they would do that anyway, but that's another discussion). I'd really rather not end up like Philadelphia in three years.
 

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The "fuck you" potential with RG3 is off-the-charts, no? Like, does Jerry blow out Garrett & the offensive staff and give Art Briles a huge contract to be the offensive head coach for one year?
RGIII cannot play in a conventional offense now; he's developmental that way. He refuses to run what Shanahan came up with to make him successful, and even if he changes his mind, it's far from clear he's physically up to it. He was hurt at Baylor, and hurt several times here. This is the deadest of dead ends for the Cowboys, but is precisely the kind of crap Jerry may fall victim to. "Fuck you" > "Fuck me."
 

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If he gets rid of the coaching staff, I'd rather they bring in a real coach and future QB (I wish they would do that anyway, but that's another discussion). I'd really rather not end up like Philadelphia in three years.
It will neither surprise you, nor comfort you to know the Cowboys will always be a job where the GM is terrible and fire-proof. Which makes it not as great a job as it should be. There's no Andrew Luck in this draft, and whomever the "best on the market" coach ends up being, the Colts and Titans jobs are both more attractive.
 

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It will neither surprise you, nor comfort you to know the Cowboys will always be a job where the GM is terrible and fire-proof. Which makes it not as great a job as it should be. There's no Andrew Luck in this draft, and whomever the "best on the market" coach ends up being, the Colts and Titans jobs are both more attractive.
The Cowboys are not going to fire Jason anyway so it's all moot. Jerrah loves him and Jason lets him meddle so it's win-win.
 

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The Cowboys are not going to fire Jason anyway so it's all moot. Jerrah loves him and Jason lets him meddle so it's win-win.
This is exactly right. He's fire proof, even with a 5-11 season pending.

Actually, that may be giving them too much credit.
 

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This is exactly right. He's fire proof, even with a 5-11 season pending.

Actually, that may be giving them too much credit.
Do you really think Garrett is a bad HC? I feel like he is difficult to judge given Jones' aforementioned meddling. However he has the pedigree (a coaches son) and seemed to be pretty solid as a backup QB in terms of grasping his team's systems. That said I don’t see enough Cowboys games to judge his in game tactics.
 

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Do you really think Garrett is a bad HC? I feel like he is difficult to judge given Jones' aforementioned meddling. However he has the pedigree (a coaches son) and seemed to be pretty solid as a backup QB in terms of grasping his team's systems. That said I don’t see enough Cowboys games to judge his in game tactics.
His clock management is awful (though, apparently, that's a dying art). His record on challenges, if memory serves, is very poor. He's often out coached and his teams have always had a shocking inability to adjust to what an opponent is doing. And, worst of all, he's yet another in a long line of Jerry Jones lap dogs.

If you asked me to rank him relative to other coaches in the league, I'd probably put him in the bottom half of the middle third. He's just so mediocre.
 

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I'm a little bit higher on JG than Bosoxen is - I think he's a pretty good motivator and did get them to go 8-0 on the road last year. But I wouldn't shed any tears if he was let go.
 

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Does it matter cuz, owner? You won't get what you want, and what all fans deserve, until he's dead or incapacitated. And in the latter case it won't matter unless Stephen can get an adjudication of incompetency cuz, the last 10 years of Al Davis.

These egomaniacs beguile and at least partially neuter the mightiest of coaches -- Parcells, who needed the gig for money; Shanahan, who was desperate to get back in. And once in, they are too embarrassed or delusional or addicted to the money or action to get back out. The only HC I've seen tell an owner to go shit in a hat is Marty Schottenheimer. He was smart enough to get all the authority in writing from Snyder, and to tell Snyder no when he wanted some back.

Wish y'all a quick resolution for the better.
 

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The dumpster fire that is the Eagles is only one game out. The NFC East is awful. Cowboys obviously done sans Romo, Eagles D was holding them together but has turned into a Pumpkin and there's no help coming on offense either, the Giants D is horrendous and Eli has his Eli games, and there's not a lot of room for error with that D. The Washington casual racists? The D is eh and the O is eh. THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST ROUNDED TEAM IN THE DIVISION.

I will now light myself on fire.

I do look forward to them locking in Cousins on a big deal for years though, that will be fun.

And yeah it's time to start thinking Romo is done for Dallas, the Eagles last few years are exactly what not having a half decent QB does for a franchise. Even if Romo is not done, it's time to have a good backup/ someone to groom. If they had a good backup QB or just a not awful they're probably still making the playoffs.
 

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Cowboys sheep all over the world, rejoice! Jerry thinks they'll make the playoffs!

FML
 

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Cowboys sheep all over the world, rejoice! Jerry thinks they'll make the playoffs!

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This is Jerrah the business man, guy #53 on the roster isn't worth telling the fans you've given up and risking empty seats at Jerrah world.

How warm do you think Garret's seat gets if Sean Payton and the Saints part ways?
 

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How warm do you think Garret's seat gets if Sean Payton and the Saints part ways?
That's an excellent question. On one hand, Jerry has always seen Payton as the one that got away. On the other hand, he loves Garrett because he can lord his power over him and Garrett just sits there and takes it.

Ultimately, I think the status quo would win out. Payton would represent an upgrade over Garrett (to what extent is up for debate), but consistency would be necessary if they want 2016 to be a year in which they build on 2014.

Also, what London said. Garrett has his faults - and lots of them - but this year has been completely out of his control. From the injuries to the Greg Hardy circus.
 

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I cannot stress enough how much I would not like that.
 

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The range of possible outcomes with five games left to play ranges from the #1 pick in the draft to winning the division. The former is extremely unlikely because Cleveland is just fucking awful but it's still mathematically possible.

What a weird season.

On a related note, the Rob Riggle skit on the Fox pregame show today was hilarious.
 

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Cowboys sheep all over the world, rejoice! Jerry thinks they'll make the playoffs!

FML
Well, eliminated finally after last night. ESPN is trolling poor Tony in its little scrolling "now" thing on the right hand side of the page - they have a picture up of Tony and his quote from last year about predicting that they would win it all this season.

1-6 at home, must be hard to attend these games....
 

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I'm a little worried about the Week 17 matchup against Washington. With the racists having locked up the division and having nothing left to play for as far as seeding is concerned, I'm worried they'll rest their starters and concede the victory to Dallas. That would make them drop from the 4th pick all the way down to possibly the 8th (depending on what Miami, Jacksonville and Baltimore do). They've managed not to do anything stupid like winning a meaningless game in Buffalo, but Garrett may be in CYA mode and will likely be all too happy to take the victory and significantly hinder their draft position. This team is just stupid enough to cut off their nose to spite their face and "salvage" a 5-11 season.

The dream of the #1 pick is dead, but the Cowboys desperately need a top 5 pick. There's a lot of value there beyond the potential for picking Romo's replacement. A trade out of the 4th or 5th spot would bring back some really good picks.

I guess we can take solace in the fact that they're guaranteed a top 10 pick. But I'm not really in the mood for sunshine and rainbows after yet another shitty season.
 

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The dream of the #1 pick is dead, but the Cowboys desperately need a top 5 pick. There's a lot of value there beyond the potential for picking Romo's replacement. A trade out of the 4th or 5th spot would bring back some really good picks.
In a normal year, yes. Not this year. It's not a great class, and there isn't one top 5 QB prospect, let alone two. Any Romo replacement taken in the top 5 would be an all-time reach.

You're getting Manziel for a conditional late round pick as Romo's replacement. Did you not get serenity for Christmas? Accept the things over which you have no control and all that?

At least you aren't Cleveland, almost assured of locking up the #1 pick in a year where the #1 prospect is (likely) a left tackle (again).
 

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Tennessee has the inside track to the top pick. They're very unlikely to beat a Colts team that will be fighting for their playoff lives. With Charlie Whitehurst as their starting quarterback.

Keep beating that Manziel drum, jerkface.
 

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Tennessee has the inside track to the top pick. They're very unlikely to beat a Colts team that will be fighting for their playoff lives. With Charlie Whitehurst as their starting quarterback
Whitehurst just got put on IR today. Stephen Morris is the likely starter
 

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Yeah and the Texans put Weeden back on the bench the second Hoyer was available again. Shows what everybody thinks of Mr. Weeden.
 

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You can't spell Weeden without a "w"...

Cowboys just didn't know how to take advantage of his vast skill set. Point Texans!
 

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Tennessee has the inside track to the top pick. They're very unlikely to beat a Colts team that will be fighting for their playoff lives. With Charlie Whitehurst as their starting quarterback.

Keep beating that Manziel drum, jerkface.
“@SI_PeterKing: JFF1: Reported this on @SNFonNBC re Manziel: Browns require players in concussion protocol to be seen by team medic at 9 am on Sunday …”

“@SI_PeterKing: JFF2: … even if they’re not playing. Manziel didn’t show up Sunday. Browns couldn’t reach him on phone. At this point I can tell you …”
“@SI_PeterKing: JFF3: … Browns are so done with the guy. I will be stunned if he ever plays another snap for Cleveland. He wants to go to Dallas.”

@soxfan121 you called it.
 

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This makes no sense to me. He wants to go to Dallas where he'll only play in the event of an injury. What a dumb shit, if true.

(But I will enjoy the show)
 

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Manziel or RGIII?

Jurrah is used to having two at once and not having to choose.

Does Stephen force another intervention?
 

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Hopefully Johnny Football is doing us all a favor via his continued self immolation. Hard to see even GM Jerry taking a chance on someone who looks to have a serious substance abuse problem. Especially if he has to give anything away to get him. If that asshole brings in Johnny Football, that may be the death of me as a Cowboys fan.

Or at least that is what I'm telling myself.

I'd rather be discussing who the Cowboys brain trust is going to take at #4. Defensive line, LB and secondary are all in need of help. Not to mention the QB position. Goff and Lynch are supposedly the only 2 top 10 talents in the draft. There seems to be a major gap in what people think of their potential, which begs the question of whether you gamble on potential when you have so many holes in the roster. Cowboys would probably be in line for one of the two given that Cleveland is going to need a new one. You could get someone like Hackenburg, Carson Wentz or Connor Cook in round 2 or 3. All three of them have their question marks Or take someone more developmental like Cody Kessler later on. No need to start them immediately and they can learn behind Romo for a few years. They can also study tape of the Cowboys QB play this season as a lesson on how not to play QB in the NFL.
 

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So if it ends up that Johnny Football is out for the Cowboys, does that open the door for RGIII? Won't cost a dime since he will be cut at some point by the Redskins.....
 

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So if it ends up that Johnny Football is out for the Cowboys, does that open the door for RGIII? Won't cost a dime since he will be cut at some point by the Redskins.....
Bringing in Griffin is only slightly less dumb than Manziel. I had a discussion about this with my brother yesterday. I boiled it down to Griffin:Herpes::Manziel:Syphilis. Sure, you'd probably rather have herpes than syphilis, but do you really want either?

They need an actual quarterback that can play the position in the NFL. The person they bring in to back up Romo next season needs to be someone that will take over permanently once Romo is done sometime in the next 2-3 years. Griffin and Manziel are not that quarterback and no amount of schadenfreude wishcasting is going to make that true.