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Kubiak is far from certain to get another HC gig. Denver affords either a chance to work with an all-time top-3 QB, or to take over a rebuilding situation where management is likely to be patient for a couple of years -- either way, it's a better situation than the majority of coaching vacancies. Maybe a guy with Jim Harbaugh's resume would hold out for a more ideal situation, but Kubiak would be a fool not to jump at it.
 

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Yeah exactly - while both are important, the organization matters more than the talent when evaluating a coaching job. Denver has personnel changes coming up, but they have patient ownership. And tbey have a clear chain of command to Elway, who may not be the leagues top GM but has experience on the field and in the front office. In Denver, even if they lose Manning and have a down year, the owners are likely to give the coach a few more while the GM works on improving the roster. That's not too likely in a few of the other jobs.
 

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I am astonished by that, although what that tells you most of all is that the McCluskey family are cheap.
They must have saved a bundle on the GM.

Bears have asked permission to interview Vic Fangio. That would be a real boon for this team...if the McCluskeys will shell out for a top notch coordinator.
 

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maufman said:
Kubiak is far from certain to get another HC gig. Denver affords either a chance to work with an all-time top-3 QB, or to take over a rebuilding situation where management is likely to be patient for a couple of years -- either way, it's a better situation than the majority of coaching vacancies. Maybe a guy with Jim Harbaugh's resume would hold out for a more ideal situation, but Kubiak would be a fool not to jump at it.
 
 
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Yeah exactly - while both are important, the organization matters more than the talent when evaluating a coaching job. Denver has personnel changes coming up, but they have patient ownership. And tbey have a clear chain of command to Elway, who may not be the leagues top GM but has experience on the field and in the front office. In Denver, even if they lose Manning and have a down year, the owners are likely to give the coach a few more while the GM works on improving the roster. That's not too likely in a few of the other jobs.
 
I don't really buy all this. One, Kubiak had offers for interviews and turned them down -- so another HC wasn't a certainty, but he wasn't pursuing them even until Denver called. Two, absolutely -- if Peyton is coming back and Kubiak has a distinct plan with Elway for how to get them to the next step, this has potential to be a huge winner. But, three, there's also tremendous downside for both Elway and Kubiak. For Kubiak, the fans may have been boo-ing Manning last week, but if he is seen as part of the reason they're starting Brock O. next year and the Broncos finish 8-8, he'll get plenty of heat. The bar in Denver is pretty clearly a Super Bowl...I don't see Elway or the fans being ready for a re-build when they were ranked the #1 team in the NFL for much of this past season. But to me it's really Elway who is putting his butt on the line here. I think he's been highly overrated -- made mostly obvious moves (Von Miller was a consensus pick, free agent signings have been mostly obvious aging star types: from Peyton to Ware). Now the heat will be on Elway: he pushed Fox out, the roster is constructed by him, the coach will be his perceived buddy, and he's set the bar at a Super Bowl. Can he pull that off? And, flipping back to Kubiak, are there not safer jobs out there for him? If hired, both he and Elway will be judged on Super Bowl or bust -- not exactly the Rex Ryan grading scale.
 
Of course, it could be much simpler: Kubiak just might want to live in Denver, which is a great place.
 

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I don't really buy all this. One, Kubiak had offers for interviews and turned them down -- so another HC wasn't a certainty, but he wasn't pursuing them even until Denver called. Two, absolutely -- if Peyton is coming back and Kubiak has a distinct plan with Elway for how to get them to the next step, this has potential to be a huge winner.
Agree with your post; wanted to expand on your second point. Not only does Kubiak's offense require his QBs to throw on the move - which can't be good for PM based on his post-surgical weakness in his right arm - but from what I understand, Kubiak's offense has a completely different terminology and verbiage than the one PM uses. Does PM, the notorious control freak, sign up for another year of football having to relearn a completely new system with completely new footwork?

And if PM's not coming back, why is Kubiak taking this job? It's only downhill from here.

If Kubiak really wants to settle down in Denver, he should wait until the next head coach gets fired. Which, from the way things are going, should be around 2017.
 

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Fox is the first Chicago head coach with prior NFL head coaching experience since 1956.
 
I am astonished by that, although what that tells you most of all is that the McCluskey family are cheap.
 
Were? They also never canned a coach after two seasons before Trestman. 
 
However, looking into how cheap, I found an article about how the McCaskey's may have trouble retaining ownership when Virginia (92, Halas' daughter) passes: 
 
When Virginia McCaskey dies, if her stake in the team gets sliced evenly among her 11 children, the math suggests the franchise would fall short of the NFL's minimum ownership requirements. Each of her children would have a 6.6 percent stake in the team, while the NFL requires lead owners to control at least 10 percent of a team's stock and their relatives to control an additional 20 percent.
The McCaskeys have several ways to fall into compliance, including selling shares among each other or receiving an exemption from the NFL. George McCaskey, the team's chairman since 2011, told the Tribune that the team has a plan to ensure the family's control continues after her death but declined to elaborate, calling the specifics "a private family matter."
"Our goal is to keep the Bears until the second coming," said George McCaskey, one of Virginia's sons, in June. "I can't say that we're never going to sell the Bears, but I can tell you with conviction that we have no intention of selling."
Still, there's a prominent businessman, Pat Ryan Sr., who owns a healthy portion of the team. He not only has the means to buy more but also may become the largest single shareholder after Virginia McCaskey passes.
Ryan, 76, the former chairman of Aon Corp., bought nearly 20 percent of the franchise with friend Andrew McKenna Sr., 82, for $17 million in 1990. Ryan holds most of those shares. He's a sports enthusiast and longtime philanthropist: several athletic facilities at Northwestern bear his name, and he led the city's unsuccessful bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics.
 

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You guys are probably busy watching something else but Gary Kubiak is the new coach in Denver
 
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/557000144928116736
 

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Any jobs left for Josh?  He is not hurting himself with games like tonight. Might be running out of job openings for next season.
Only opening left is Atlanta and reports are they will be hiring Quinn as soon as the SB is over.
 

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Good luck for the Pats on that -- have to agree that after the last two games McD had really burnished his image. Glad to have him back for another season (and 'hah!' to all who trashed him all season long).
 

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So who is left to be OC at Baltimore.  Kubiak really helped them along this year. 
 
Doug Marrone is still available, although I'm not sure if the Ravens coordinator challenge meets the necessary standards to be worthy of Saint Doug's third miracle.
 

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So who is left to be OC at Baltimore.  Kubiak really helped them along this year. 
 
B'more Sun is reporting that Gase might be considered, as well as former Broncos QB Coach Gary Knapp, who has previous OC experience with OAK, 49ers and ATL for what that's worth.  Maybe Trestmann.  Maybe Jim Hostler, who was runner-up last time. 
 

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I don't think he cares, it's something to do while Bills pay him. The issue is if he can't pull a HC job next year.
 

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Marrone also left his assistant coaches behind at Buffalo.  Most were let go by Rex Ryan and several are still looking for jobs, including several who followed Marrone from Syracuse to the Bills.
 

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Marrone goes from head coach to this.
 
 
What's strange is that Marrone was rumoured to be interviewing for OC jobs - including the Ravens - but then he is hired as JAC's OL coach even though they hadn't hired an OC.  I guess he figured he should be working somewhere rather than sitting out a year, although it seems that if JAC goes 2-14 again and the whole staff gets fired, Marrone is going to be a long way away from another HC job.
 

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Such is life as a football coach. Some of them will probably benefit in the long run from getting NFL experience/contacts.
 
No doubt, but I'm sure they'd have also appreciated another year on the Bills staff as well.  If any of them had a head-up that Marrone was about to pull the ripcord on his golden parachute, they didn't act on it.
 

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What's strange is that Marrone was rumoured to be interviewing for OC jobs - including the Ravens - but then he is hired as JAC's OL coach even though they hadn't hired an OC.  I guess he figured he should be working somewhere rather than sitting out a year, although it seems that if JAC goes 2-14 again and the whole staff gets fired, Marrone is going to be a long way away from another HC job.
 
He (and his agent) have a better idea of how realistic his chances were for those jobs.  I've got to assume the JAX job (which is an assistant head coach job as well and those are reasonably lucrative and desirable) was the best spot he was likely to get this go around.
 

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The Jaguars' O-line was a train wreck this season. If they improve, Marrone will get credit; if they don't, he won't be faulted for not being a miracle-worker.
 
This gig doesn't give Marrone as much upside as an OC gig with a good team, but it limits his downside. His reputation is likely to be no worse a year from now than it is today. That's more than you could say if he had stayed in Buffalo.
 

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The Jaguars' O-line was a train wreck this season. If they improve, Marrone will get credit; if they don't, he won't be faulted for not being a miracle-worker.
 
This gig doesn't give Marrone as much upside as an OC gig with a good team, but it limits his downside. His reputation is likely to be no worse a year from now than it is today. That's more than you could say if he had stayed in Buffalo.
 
He could have bet on himself and attempted to coach the Bills into the playoffs as a lame-duck HC.  Had he done that, he would have had his pick of openings a year from now.
 

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Tribune reporting that Fangio will sign on as Bears' DC.  Maybe the McCaskeys are opening the wallets now?  Fangio also interviewed with Washington, so he probably had great leverage in negotiating with the Bears.
 
Fangio is known as a 3-4 guy.  Fox said he's flexible on the defensive schemes so long as it suits the players.  As thin as the talent is on this roster, it has been assembled to play the Tampa-2.  I can't think of a single DL or LB on the roster who is a natural 3-4 fit.  It will be interesting.
 
Also, Fox brought over his special teams coordinator, Jeff Rodgers, from Denver.  And GM Pace hired Saints scout Josh Lucas to be Director of Pro Personnel.  
 

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“@AdamSchefter: Ravens hired former Bears HC Marc Trestman as OC, per source.”
 

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“@AdamSchefter: Ravens hired former Bears HC Marc Trestman as OC, per source.”
 
Does anyone know who similar Trestman's system and Kubiak's are? they're both old west coast off shoots so that would make it easier for Flacco & co. to adjust to a new OC.
 

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JimD said:
 
He could have bet on himself and attempted to coach the Bills into the playoffs as a lame-duck HC.  Had he done that, he would have had his pick of openings a year from now.
 
Except he wasn't a lame duck, he had a contract than ran through the 2017 season.
 
Not too sure about the "head coach in waiting" concept in Jacksonville either.  How often does a team do poorly enough for the head coach to be fired, but then the replacement comes from in house?  Usually that stink is attached to everyone on the staff.  I know SF just promoted someone from inside, but that wasn't because of a performance issue with Harbaugh.
 

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Does anyone know who similar Trestman's system and Kubiak's are? they're both old west coast off shoots so that would make it easier for Flacco & co. to adjust to a new OC.
Same basic concepts, probably very similar langauge. Keep in mind that Trestman's system evolved through the CFL. The Bears showed some formations and pre-snap movement I'd never seen before (though no running starts towards scrimmage, unfortunately).

The most notable feature of his system in Chicago was the ability to spread the ball among Marshall, Jeffrey, Forte, and Bennett. Trestman continually found ways to get those guys into favorable match ups and give Cutler/McCown easy reads. Not that Cutler always made the most of that...

The Ravens seem like a great landing spot for Trestman. The discipline and accountability are well established and reinforced by Harbaugh. Trestman can be his new-age-self and draw up game plans that Flacco will love. The big question is how Ozzie Newsome will approach the skill positions in the draft and free agency. The Ravens don't have a quartet to match the Bears, but do needs some more talent to balance the attack.
 

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Same basic concepts, probably very similar langauge. Keep in mind that Trestman's system evolved through the CFL. The Bears showed some formations and pre-snap movement I'd never seen before (though no running starts towards scrimmage, unfortunately).

The most notable feature of his system in Chicago was the ability to spread the ball among Marshall, Jeffrey, Forte, and Bennett. Trestman continually found ways to get those guys into favorable match ups and give Cutler/McCown easy reads. Not that Cutler always made the most of that...

The Ravens seem like a great landing spot for Trestman. The discipline and accountability are well established and reinforced by Harbaugh. Trestman can be his new-age-self and draw up game plans that Flacco will love. The big question is how Ozzie Newsome will approach the skill positions in the draft and free agency. The Ravens don't have a quartet to match the Bears, but do needs some more talent to balance the attack.
 
Nah, Harbaugh hates innovation and creativity on offense.  They're cheating.
 

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Re Trestman, it's always interesting how people jump to the conclusion that just because someone is mediocre or worse in one role, he will flop in another entirely different role.

Exhibit A, Norv Turner. Mediocre HC, gifted OC.

I suspect Trestman will do fine if Ozzie replenishes the talent. Ozzie usually finds a way to replenish the talent.
 

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And Gase goes to Chicago to re-join Fox as his OC. That's a pretty huge upgrade for the Bears with Fox in charge and Fangio and Gase as DC/OC.
 

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Tribune article on Bears hiring Gase.  Great job by Pace and Fox to nab two top notch coordinators.  
 
The skills position players are there for Gase, the offensive line can be repaired with a good draft and/or shrewd signing.  But the whole thing rides on Fox and Gase's ability to rehabilitate Cutler.  As a non-Bears fan, it will be intriguing to watch.
 

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Tribune article on Bears hiring Gase.  Great job by Pace and Fox to nab two top notch coordinators.  
 
The skills position players are there for Gase, the offensive line can be repaired with a good draft and/or shrewd signing.  But the whole thing rides on Fox and Gase's ability to rehabilitate Cutler.  As a non-Bears fan, it will be intriguing to watch.
Bears probably did get an upgrade, but apparently Gase was the front-runner for the 49ers HC job but blew it in the last interview. http://www.sportsoutwest.com/2015/01/20/adam-game-49ers-head-coach-jim-tomsula/. Wonder if we're going to find out what it's all about.
 

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Tribune article on Bears hiring Gase.  Great job by Pace and Fox to nab two top notch coordinators.  
 
The skills position players are there for Gase, the offensive line can be repaired with a good draft and/or shrewd signing.  But the whole thing rides on Fox and Gase's ability to rehabilitate Cutler.  As a non-Bears fan, it will be intriguing to watch.
You can build around Jeffery, but Marshall and Forte are getting up there in age and they don't have a third receiver. And they have a bottom-five defense where several of the starters (Jennings, Allen, Ratliff, Briggs) are old. This doesn't look like a quick turnaround to me, even if the coaching staff has improved quite a bit.
 

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You can build around Jeffery, but Marshall and Forte are getting up there in age and they don't have a third receiver. And they have a bottom-five defense where several of the starters (Jennings, Allen, Ratliff, Briggs) are old. This doesn't look like a quick turnaround to me, even if the coaching staff has improved quite a bit.
 
It's a relatively tough schedule next season - AFC West, NFC West, and NFC last place. If the organization thinks the offense can rebound to a top-5 unit and put up 450 points, then they could probably patch the defense with enough affordable veterans to stay in the mix.  If they're less bullish on the offense, then a full on rebuild is in order.  
 
Forte is still very productive, but should start limiting the touches to stay healthy.  The Bears drafted Ka'Deem Carey in the 4th round last year; this is the year for him to step up into a regular rotation with Forte and make the case to become the long-term starter.    They'll probably bring in a veteran to challenge Carey and provide some injury insurance for Forte.  A late round flyer on an RB also makes sense.
 
Jeffrey is heading into his contract year, so a big extension is likely once the new front office gets up and running.  Bennett is under contract for 2 more years and is in his prime.  Marshall is still productive and a focal point for opposing defenses - when healthy.  He also becomes cut-able after next season ($6.2m savings, $3.75m dead).  If Pace brings with him the Saints proclivity for drafting WRs, we could see the Bears take one surprisingly high with the hopes of getting a great #2 to complement Jeffrey starting 2016.
 
Last season, Forte, Bennett, Jeffrey, and Marshall caught 338 of the 392 completions.  The Bears can get by without much production from WR 3 & 4.  If they can find a bargain on a veteran slot receiver, that could be a very useful addition.  But that's a lower priority.   
 

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Tribune article on Bears hiring Gase.  Great job by Pace and Fox to nab two top notch coordinators.  
 
The skills position players are there for Gase, the offensive line can be repaired with a good draft and/or shrewd signing.  But the whole thing rides on Fox and Gase's ability to rehabilitate Cutler.  As a non-Bears fan, it will be intriguing to watch.
There has been some discussion about Gase and whether or not coordinating a Manning offense is a positive or a negative.  I think it's pretty telling that he was one of the "hot" head coaching candidates a month or two ago; he actually interviewed for several head coach openings; and he interviewed for several coordinator jobs once the Broncos made their change and it became clear Gase wasn't getting a head coaching job.  Yet, despite all of those interviews, he was only offered one job, even as a coordinator and that from the same head coach he worked with last year and who is, by all accounts, loyal almost to a fault. 
 
Either Gase needs to learn how to interview or he just isn't up to snuff (or both), yet. 
 

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The Niners are hiring Mangini as DC.  Regardless of whom they hire as OC, I think they are going to be a last-place team next year.  They've got too many bizarre coaching personalities on that team, all of whom are going to dedicate themselves to buttering up the owner rather than supporting Tomsula.  What an absolute dumpster fire Jed York has created. 
 
Edit:  BTW, Mangini was the 49ers TE coach this year.  So the guy who coached Vernon Davis into invisibility is now the DC.   
 

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The Niners also hired Tony Sparano as TE coach.  They still don't have an offensive coordinator, but the rumor is that they want Rob Chudzinski and are waiting for his contract with the Colts to expire (it runs out next week).  Chudzinski would actually be a good hire, I think -- he did very good things with Cam Newton in 2011.  That would put them in the odd position of having a head coach with no higher management experience supported by at least three assistants who all have head coaching experience.  That could be spun as a good thing -- there will be guys on staff with experience to keep the ship steady when Tomsula makes inevitable rookie mistakes -- or it could lead to the all three of them undermining Tomsula while trying to position themselves as his replacement.
 
Lane Kiffin has also been rumored as a potential OC, but please god no.
 

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The Niners also hired Tony Sparano as TE coach.  They still don't have an offensive coordinator, but the rumor is that they want Rob Chudzinski and are waiting for his contract with the Colts to expire (it runs out next week).  Chudzinski would actually be a good hire, I think -- he did very good things with Cam Newton in 2011.  That would put them in the odd position of having a head coach with no higher management experience supported by at least three assistants who all have head coaching experience.  That could be spun as a good thing -- there will be guys on staff with experience to keep the ship steady when Tomsula makes inevitable rookie mistakes -- or it could lead to the all three of them undermining Tomsula while trying to position themselves as his replacement.
 
Lane Kiffin has also been rumored as a potential OC, but please god no.
 
It sounds like Chudzinski will be able to choose between St. Louis and SF.  I'd take it as a pretty bad sign of the perception of the Niners if he went to St. Louis.  
 

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The Niners are hiring Mangini as DC.  Regardless of whom they hire as OC, I think they are going to be a last-place team next year.  They've got too many bizarre coaching personalities on that team, all of whom are going to dedicate themselves to buttering up the owner rather than supporting Tomsula.  What an absolute dumpster fire Jed York has created. 
 
Edit:  BTW, Mangini was the 49ers TE coach this year.  So the guy who coached Vernon Davis into invisibility is now the DC.   
 
VD cares more about Jamba Juice than football now anyways, no amount of coaching was going to change that last year. Maybe he's embarrassed into improving this year, but it's likely $7M down the toilet.
 
I agree he's a weird fit as DC though.