2014 ticket prices. Up 4.8%. Kind of.

terrisus · Nov 16, 2013

behindthepen said:
(currently the link on redsox.com for 2014 tickets gets you an amusing error link)

It seems it rotates through a couple different ones, but, I like this one:

sittingstill · Nov 16, 2013

terrisus said:
It seems it rotates through a couple different ones, but, I like this one:

I dunno, this is kind of hypnotic too.

Jim Ed Rice in HOF · Nov 16, 2013

There's a little more info here referencing bleacher prices ranging from $20-$40 depending on the tier as well as some other details.

twibnotes · Nov 16, 2013

I like this approach. It gets the original prices more inline with the actual value of the tickets, which is typically reflected in the aftermarket (scalpers, stubhub, etc.).

You just want to take the fam to see Fenway? Fine, opt for a boring matchup. You're a diehard fan and want to see Sox-Yankees? Maybe this new system enables you to pay the Sox instead of Stubhub.

tonyandpals · Nov 16, 2013

I'm guessing my weekend plan goes up substantially. Thinking they'll mostly be Tier 1 and Tier 2, maybe some 3s for early April or September.

Jim Ed Rice in HOF · Nov 16, 2013

Not a bad move from the Sox standpoint. Those top tier games will always sell out even at premium prices and those shit games in April will be more attractive with a $20 bleacher price tag. Also, by shell gaming all the prices the overall price increase kind of gets missed by a lot of people. I personally can't argue with the increase since my seats haven't changed since 2011 but there's always some general noise when prices go up.

BoSoxLady · Nov 16, 2013

I'm guessing my weekend plan goes up substantially. Thinking they'll mostly be Tier 1 and Tier 2, maybe some 3s for early April or September.

Absolutely. I looked at the schedule and kapow! I expect that my Loge tickets, even with the early payment discount will be at minimum, $100 per game. I completely understand their rationale but STH, particularly the partial plan holders are going to get seriously whacked. Sigh......

Koufax · Nov 16, 2013

Well maybe there is a little justice here for the long-suffering holders of the weekday night season ticket holders who purchase tickets to 51 games a year and somehow end up seeing about 3 Yankees games.

PseuFighter · Nov 16, 2013

here's a working link:

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/ticketing/ticket_pricing.jsp

LondonSox · Nov 16, 2013

Bring on ticket auctions I say.

tonyandpals · Nov 16, 2013

PseuFighter said:
here's a working link:

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/ticketing/ticket_pricing.jsp

Awesome. $45 last year up to $58 and $70.

Bummer

edit: I am holding out some hope that STH pricing will be different since the link says individual game pricing.

Dan to Theo to Ben · Nov 17, 2013

Anyone have knowledge what the Green Monster and SS Pavilion Club pricing will be yet, since it's not reflected on that chart?

amarshal2 · Nov 17, 2013

It's amazing to me that it took this long for MLB to implement something like this. They were literally just burning money until now. Finally somebody had enough.

cannonball 1729 · Nov 17, 2013

amarshal2 said:
It's amazing to me that it took this long for MLB to implement something like this. They were literally just burning money until now. Finally somebody had enough.

Other teams implemented this years ago. It was only the Red Sox who never bothered because they were selling out every game anyway.

Edit: The Globe has a nice graphic for which games will be in which tier:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/16/red-sox-games-tier/ygrLWjW4CAoiXQJQLLnDcI/story.html

HangingW/ScottCooper · Nov 17, 2013

Loge box seats essentially increased $10 (Assuming that there are equal #s of Tier 1/5 and Tier 2/4). That's a pretty steep incline from $94 to $104.

cannonball 1729 · Nov 17, 2013

HangingW/ScottCooper said:
Loge box seats essentially increased $10 (Assuming that there are equal #s of Tier 1/5 and Tier 2/4). That's a pretty steep incline from $94 to $104.

There are. If I'm counting correctly, the breakdown appears to be 16/16/17/16/16 for Tiers 1/2/3/4/5.

tonyandpals · Nov 17, 2013

cannonball 1729 said:
Other teams implemented this years ago. It was only the Red Sox who never bothered because they were selling out every game anyway.

Edit: The Globe has a nice graphic for which games will be in which tier:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/16/red-sox-games-tier/ygrLWjW4CAoiXQJQLLnDcI/story.html

Based on those tiers and the single game pricing my weekend plan goes from 1300 last year to 1700. My maths aren't too good but that's looks like about a 25% increase. I really shouldn't complain as I'm grandfathered into what I feel is the best package, I'll complain when they stop letting me buy it. I'm hoping they knock off about at least $5 a ticket for the pay early discount...

Dan to Theo to Ben · Nov 17, 2013

tonyandpals said:
Based on those tiers and the single game pricing my weekend plan goes from 1300 last year to 1700. My maths aren't too good but that's looks like about a 25% increase. I really shouldn't complain as I'm grandfathered into what I feel is the best package, I'll complain when they stop letting me buy it. I'm hoping they knock off about at least $5 a ticket for the pay early discount...

That would be 30.7%, but I would agree with you if I had the weekend package. It's a shock they don't get rid of it, frankly.

HriniakPosterChild · Nov 17, 2013

cannonball 1729 said:
Other teams implemented this years ago. It was only the Red Sox who never bothered because they were selling out every game anyway.

Edit: The Globe has a nice graphic for which games will be in which tier:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/16/red-sox-games-tier/ygrLWjW4CAoiXQJQLLnDcI/story.html

Other teams have gone a step farther. In Seattle:

The Seattle Mariners and Qcue, the leading provider of demand-based pricing software for live entertainment events, today announced a partnership that will allow the Mariners to price single game tickets for the 2012 season dynamically.

The Mariners join a growing list of teams from Major League Baseball, the NBA, MLS, NHL and NASCAR who use demand-based ticket pricing, commonly referred to as "dynamic pricing."

With the help of software analytics provided by Qcue, the Mariners will be able to accurately set and adjust ticket prices in real-time based on actual demand for a game, taking into account a variety of factors such as day of the week, weather, opponent, pitching matchups and team performance.

So if the M's ever have a good season and demands has an uptick, you might pay more for an August ticket in August than if you buy it when it first goes on sale. (So says the I'm-not-bitter M's season ticket holder.)

This is obviously not an issue in Boston right now, but the software exists if the team wants to take advantage someday.

Lose Remerswaal · Nov 18, 2013

Mets use that, too. Try to find single game ticket prices once the season starts and it is next to impossible to find. When you do get to the chart, there are 40 price tiers, and each game of a 7 game homestand has different prices, and tier A might be cheaper than Tier B on Tuesday, but is more expensive than Tier B on Wednesday.

BoSoxLady · Nov 18, 2013

That would be 30.7%, but I would agree with you if I had the weekend package. It's a shock they don't get rid of it, frankly.

The Sox dumped the Weekend and Sunday plans in 2002 but those existing plans were grand-fathered in.

Dan to Theo to Ben · Nov 18, 2013

BoSoxLady said:
The Sox dumped the Weekend and Sunday plans in 2002 but those existing plans were grand-fathered in.

Yeah, I mean it's a shock to me they don't get rid of the grandfathering.

Lose Remerswaal · Nov 18, 2013

They dumped the Sunday plan in 1978.

Getting rid of the grandfathers could cause some significant negative publicity, considering those folks have been there at least 35 years, and it only costs the team about 500 seats. Not worth the trouble.

BoSoxLady · Nov 18, 2013

Just heard from my STH person at Fenway. Weekenders are getting royally screwed. Tier structure is being applied to every game in our package based upon the variable pricing scale. Surprise, surprise....I have ten Tier 1, nine tier 2 and nine tier 3 games. Zero tier 4 or 5. My 10 tier 1 games will go from $94 (with the STH discount) to $129 per game.

I also purchase some tickets in my row for Saturday night games. Neither is tier 4 or 5 so I'm getting nailed there also.

This is insane! :smithicide:

tonyandpals · Nov 18, 2013

BoSoxLady said:
Just heard from my STH person at Fenway. Weekenders are getting royally screwed. Tier structure is being applied to every game in our package based upon the variable pricing scale. Surprise, surprise....I have ten Tier 1, nine tier 2 and nine tier 3 games. Zero tier 4 or 5. My 10 tier 1 games will go from $94 (with the STH discount) to $129 per game.

I also purchase some tickets in my row for Saturday night games. Neither is tier 4 or 5 so I'm getting nailed there also.

This is insane! :smithicide:

Any word on an early payment discount? $5 a ticket like in the past? Anything?!

BoSoxLady · Nov 18, 2013

tonyandpals said:
Any word on an early payment discount? $5 a ticket like in the past? Anything?!

He did say there will be an early payment discount which should "help". They're still finalizing that. It better be $10 in lieu of the usual $5.

Dan to Theo to Ben · Nov 18, 2013

Lose Remerswaal said:
They dumped the Sunday plan in 1978.

Getting rid of the grandfathers could cause some significant negative publicity, considering those folks have been there at least 35 years, and it only costs the team about 500 seats. Not worth the trouble.

That's a good point, indeed. And thanks for quantifying it; I am surprised it is only 500 seats.

But what about converting the weekenders into a 20 game package, like exists for LF Reserved already. A 20 game plan without OD but with preferential OD presale of some sort, and the weekday B plan, convert that into a 40 game 1/2 season plan, without OD included but also preferential presale, (or do 40/41 alternating years for OD).

Possibly a 27 game 1/3 season isn't a bad idea either? (better idea if you had fewer 2 game series, though)

IMHO, it's time for those 35+ year holders to share the windfall.

BoSoxLady · Nov 18, 2013

BoSoxLady said:
He did say there will be an early payment discount which should "help". They're still finalizing that. It better be $10 in lieu of the usual $5.

It's official -- My seat will carry a $5. per game early payment discount for each tier.

BoSoxLady · Nov 18, 2013

Dan to Theo to Ben said:
That's a good point, indeed. And thanks for quantifying it; I am surprised it is only 500 seats.

But what about converting the weekenders into a 20 game package, like exists for LF Reserved already. A 20 game plan without OD but with preferential OD presale of some sort, and the weekday B plan, convert that into a 40 game 1/2 season plan, without OD included but also preferential presale, (or do 40/41 alternating years for OD).

Possibly a 27 game 1/3 season isn't a bad idea either? (better idea if you had fewer 2 game series, though)

IMHO, it's time for those 35+ year holders to share the windfall.

The 2014 Weekend Plan will be 29 games. In addition to Sat/Sun we receive OD and Patriots Day. Why would someone with this package accept a reduction to 20 games with no promise of Opening Day and Patriots Day?

20-man plan holders only receive one post-season game when Weekend and Sunday Plan holders are able to purchase tickets for every post-season game played.

I'm perfectly happy with my schedule of games, my only upset is the most popular games happen to be in my package at a greatly increased cost.

tonyandpals · Nov 18, 2013

Dan to Theo to Ben said:
That's a good point, indeed. And thanks for quantifying it; I am surprised it is only 500 seats.

But what about converting the weekenders into a 20 game package, like exists for LF Reserved already. A 20 game plan without OD but with preferential OD presale of some sort, and the weekday B plan, convert that into a 40 game 1/2 season plan, without OD included but also preferential presale, (or do 40/41 alternating years for OD).

Possibly a 27 game 1/3 season isn't a bad idea either? (better idea if you had fewer 2 game series, though)

IMHO, it's time for those 35+ year holders to share the windfall.

Who benefits from this?
Who suffers?

I'm perfectly fine w/ paying what the Sox have determined as my fair share, but what good comes of your plan other than pissing off all the grandfathered plan holders?

Hendu for Kutch · Nov 18, 2013

The pricing tier strategy has been screwing traveling Sox fans for years. Every team that uses these tiers has always had their Sox games in the most expensive tier since I started doing road trips in 2000. Always sucked to find out the price of tickets, only to find out Sox tickets are $x more because it's a "premium" game.

Lose Remerswaal · Nov 18, 2013

BoSoxLady said:
The 2014 Weekend Plan will be 29 games. In addition to Sat/Sun we receive OD and Patriots Day. Why would someone with this package accept a reduction to 20 games with no promise of Opening Day and Patriots Day?

20-man plan holders only receive one post-season game when Weekend and Sunday Plan holders are able to purchase tickets for every post-season game played.

I'm perfectly happy with my schedule of games, my only upset is the most popular games happen to be in my package at a greatly increased cost.

tonyandpals said:
Who benefits from this?
Who suffers?

I'm perfectly fine w/ paying what the Sox have determined as my fair share, but what good comes of your plan other than pissing off all the grandfathered plan holders?

DantoTheotoBen benefits, because now there are Opening Day and Patriot's Day tickets available to him to buy.

Just wait until he finds out the Weekend and Sunday people get rights to Postseason tix, he might explode!

Lose Remerswaal · Nov 18, 2013

Ticket price chart up at redsox.com

tonyandpals · Nov 18, 2013

Stubhub has gone live for 2014 season as well. If you check early and often you may find some STH looking to recoup some of their costs and get a decent deal. I just bought 4 RF boxes for Patriots day. 4 rows off the field (chiropractor not included) at 55ea, which is below face value for their tier.

Dan to Theo to Ben · Nov 18, 2013

Lose Remerswaal said:
Ticket price chart up at redsox.com

post #10

Dan to Theo to Ben · Nov 18, 2013

tonyandpals said:
Stubhub has gone live for 2014 season as well. If you check early and often you may find some STH looking to recoup some of their costs and get a decent deal. I just bought 4 RF boxes for Patriots day. 4 rows off the field (chiropractor not included) at 55ea, which is below face value for their tier.

Nice discovery. Good luck getting those delivered. I'm not sure the seller has realized 1) that is Pats day and/or 2) the new variable pricing.

biollante · Nov 20, 2013

A price increase is a price increase. Loyalty is punished. Yeah, I'll probably still pick up my plan. I'm hoping there are more day games, or at least some night games that start early, but I don't want to look. Driving home to Central CT and getting home at 1 or 2 is getting hard to do.

Hendu for Kutch · Nov 20, 2013

tonyandpals said:
Stubhub has gone live for 2014 season as well. If you check early and often you may find some STH looking to recoup some of their costs and get a decent deal. I just bought 4 RF boxes for Patriots day. 4 rows off the field (chiropractor not included) at 55ea, which is below face value for their tier.

Nice eye. I just did the same for 4 right field roof box seats. Face is $70, but I bought them for $65 after Stubhub fees.

Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Nice discovery. Good luck getting those delivered. I'm not sure the seller has realized 1) that is Pats day and/or 2) the new variable pricing.

Much like the guy who sold his WS tickets for $6, I don't think it matters what the seller knows. He has to provide the tickets to Stubhub or he'll get brutalized with penalties and fees.

tonyandpals · Nov 20, 2013

Hendu for Kutch said:
Nice eye. I just did the same for 4 right field roof box seats. Face is $70, but I bought them for $65 after Stubhub fees.

Much like the guy who sold his WS tickets for $6, I don't think it matters what the seller knows. He has to provide the tickets to Stubhub or he'll get brutalized with penalties and fees.

That $6 transaction was canceled. But StubHub stepped up and provided a replacement ticket, per their Fan Protect Policy. There are quite a few for around face for that game (I believe face is $58, tier 2, for those locations)

Minneapolis Millers · Nov 20, 2013

Got 4 tix in RFB 2 to the Wed July 30 game v Toronto for $46 each, which is under face value unless they're tier 5 (unlikely). And section 2 doesn't even face the Monster! We'll need sunglasses, though.

The Sox are late to the variable pricing scene. The Twins not only have 5 tiers, they use demand pricing to increase or decrease ticket cost (as far down as the discounted STH levels) on a daily basis.

tonyandpals · Nov 20, 2013

Minneapolis Millers said:
Got 4 tix in RFB 2 to the Wed July 30 game v Toronto for $46 each, which is under face value unless they're tier 5 (unlikely). And section 2 doesn't even face the Monster! We'll need sunglasses, though.

The Sox are late to the variable pricing scene. The Twins not only have 5 tiers, they use demand pricing to increase or decrease ticket cost (as far down as the discounted STH levels) on a daily basis.

Tier 3 (which is $55) per: http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/16/red-sox-games-tier/ygrLWjW4CAoiXQJQLLnDcI/story.html

And that's $55 + at least $3.50 per ticket in fees, plus $7 in transcation fee. Stubhub is a good way to get them under face value right now. Especially in those RF Boxes, which seem to be listed for multiple games.

Hendu for Kutch · Nov 20, 2013

tonyandpals said:
Tier 3 (which is $55) per: http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/16/red-sox-games-tier/ygrLWjW4CAoiXQJQLLnDcI/story.html

And that's $55 + at least $3.50 per ticket in fees, plus $7 in transcation fee. Stubhub is a good way to get them under face value right now. Especially in those RF Boxes, which seem to be listed for multiple games.

Hmm...color me shocked that Patriot's Day isn't a Tier 1 game. Guess I paid over face after all (but still less when fees are factored in).

LondonSox · Nov 20, 2013

biollante said:
A price increase is a price increase. Loyalty is punished. Yeah, I'll probably still pick up my plan. I'm hoping there are more day games, or at least some night games that start early, but I don't want to look. Driving home to Central CT and getting home at 1 or 2 is getting hard to do.

Loyalty means you can go to every game you wish to and frequently sell games you don't at a profit. Cry me a river.
There are thousands of people who get to one or two games a year and willing to pay multiples. It's hardly a hardship you endure. If you don't want to buy then don't. There are a lot of people queued up to buy them.

Woe is me you're forced to pay more for this still way under market priced ticket for a team that just won the world series.

If you were asked to pay market value for a season ticket then fine, otherwise boo freaking hot.

Season tickets ARE priced for bulk purchase and loyalty.

HriniakPosterChild · Nov 20, 2013

LondonSox said:
Loyalty means you can go to every game you wish to and frequently sell games you don't at a profit. Cry me a river.
There are thousands of people who get to one or two games a year and willing to pay multiples. It's hardly a hardship you endure. If you don't want to buy then don't. There are a lot of people queued up to buy them.

Woe is me you're forced to pay more for this still way under market priced ticket for a team that just won the world series.

If you were asked to pay market value for a season ticket then fine, otherwise boo freaking hot.

Season tickets ARE priced for bulk purchase and loyalty.

You think he was making a profit selling 2012 tickets?

tonyandpals · Nov 20, 2013

I understand the price increase. I have "tiered" my games for many years when I package them and sell them to family and friends. I have a pretty good grasp of their market value. That being said, I'm not thrilled to shell out another 800 or so this year, but I get it. I've been saying for years I'm lucky to have the best package (hiyo). I've even reached out to my rep to try and move to 4 tickets this year as my family is growing and I want to stock up for the future. Maybe with the increase in pricing someone will drop and I can add 2 seats this year. We'll see.

Jim Ed Rice in HOF · Nov 20, 2013

[QUOTE="Hriniak]
You think he was making a profit selling 2012 tickets?
[/QUOTE]Or this year's tickets for that matter. I ignored his rant because it was (kind of) accurate provided we were in the year 2011.

terrisus · Nov 20, 2013

With regards to season tickets, my view on it is, as long as there's a waiting list of people wanting to get them, they're kind of justified in whatever price they decide on for them. If people feel it's too high, they can give them up, and the Red Sox will just give them to the next person on the list.
Whenever it gets to the point where they have more of them than people who want them, then they would need to make decisions to encourage more people to buy them. But, until that point, it doesn't seem there's much reason for the Red Sox to give up extra money.

/sitting a couple of years back on the waiting list

LondonSox · Nov 21, 2013

terrisus said:
With regards to season tickets, my view on it is, as long as there's a waiting list of people wanting to get them, they're kind of justified in whatever price they decide on for them. If people feel it's too high, they can give them up, and the Red Sox will just give them to the next person on the list.
Whenever it gets to the point where they have more of them than people who want them, then they would need to make decisions to encourage more people to buy them. But, until that point, it doesn't seem there's much reason for the Red Sox to give up extra money.

/sitting a couple of years back on the waiting list

This.
Demand is multiplies of supply. Price is too low. End.

2014 ticket prices. Up 4.8%. Kind of.

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