2013 Confederations Cup - Tahitian Treat

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smart Spain defense, after Brasil's best player passes the ball away, no point in covering him in case ya know, they pass back to that player.

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Gunfighter 09 said:
So, who is beating this team next year? 
 
Not looking like anyone. Maybe the Germans or Dutch could give it a go. Likely the squads with the skill AND size to put up a fight. Not having watched much of the early Confed games I am shocked by the physicality Brasil is displaying.
 

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holy crap David Luiz. Incredible recovery
I don't understand how it was even possible to get that ball over the cross-bar. You could give him 20 tries and I think 19 are in the net.

Beautiful finish, but am I the only one who thinks Neymar did not get back onside?
 

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I don't understand how it was even possible to get that ball over the cross-bar. You could give him 20 tries and I think 19 are in the net.

Beautiful finish, but am I the only one who thinks Neymar did not get back onside?
I think the guy across the field kept him on but it was close.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I don't understand how it was even possible to get that ball over the cross-bar. You could give him 20 tries and I think 19 are in the net.

Beautiful finish, but am I the only one who thinks Neymar did not get back onside?
 
That recovery was more spectacular than any goal in the competition.
 
And he did get back onside, they showed the replay. Had the pass come a second before, he would have been offside by like five feet.
 

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I think the guy across the field kept him on but it was close.
 
Ya, I think it was the far defender. The 2 middle backs were a little higher.
 
WTF was Bob Ley talking about "The US had a 2-0 lead on Spain last confed cup and we remember how that ended." Ya, we won 2-0. I presume he meant we were up 2-0 on Brasil, but then his analogy is stupid.
 

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That recovery was more spectacular than any goal in the competition.
 
And he did get back onside, they showed the replay. Had the pass come a second before, he would have been offside by like five feet.
Ok. I buy it. Great play.
 

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Not looking like anyone. Maybe the Germans or Dutch could give it a go. Likely the squads with the skill AND size to put up a fight. Not having watched much of the early Confed games I am shocked by the physicality Brasil is displaying.
 
Nm, no one.
 

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It says something for the quality and length of Spain's recent domination that I am really enjoying them gettting their ass kicked. 
 

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For Spain, the loss could be one of the best things that happens to them. It could be an opportunity to rotate some players and try a few new things.
 
That's for later. For now, it was a great match, and Brazil looked outstanding.
 

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Neymar, goddamn.
 
This. What an impressive performance in this tournament. Dangerous every time he got the ball, stationary or in motion.
 
Paulinho with the second best tourney performance for Brazil (yeah, Fred scored a bunch of goals...Paulinho destroyed Spain's midfield and made Xavi look old, slow and overmatched). 
 
Sideshow Luiz with the save was probably the key play; that goes in and it's a different game, as Brazil had greatly outplayed Spain to that point. Anyone other than Pedro probably lifts that a bit and scores. 
 
Oh, and Pique deserved that red, if only because he denied the world a chance to see Neymar v. Casillas one-on-one in the flow of play. And he was late and didn't try to play the ball. 
 

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Can someone talk about Busquets? How was his performance in this match? Should Del Bosque perhaps reconsider his role on the team?
 
I don't know much about him as a player, largely in part because I just assume he is talented because Barcelona has been so successful. 
 

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While Brazil played a great game, remember that Brazil had 3 days off and Spain had 2, and Spain played 120 minutes. Scolari managed really this tourney well, like keeping Hulk on despite poor previous showings. Scolari had Brazil push the pace early, and Spain either didn't expect it or if they did couldn't do much about it. Del Bosque really could have switched things up knowing that the team would need fresher legs. It's not like Cesc or David Villa are chumps. Javi Martinez too. 
 
But Neymar, wow. I love seeing guys who could put it on the net all the time instead pass to the better-positioned guy, or dummy, or cut in for the better angle. His patience on and off the ball, combined with his vision and headiness, is crazy. 
 

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Couple of lucky bounces and Fred may have handled it when he fell. But goal is a goal.
 
First one allowed by Spa since Donovan in a major tourney. That's incredible.
 
Spain conceded a goal during the last World Cup when they were beaten by Switzerland.  There has to be a little more to that "first" than just first goal allowed.
 

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Spain conceded a goal during the last World Cup when they were beaten by Switzerland.  There has to be a little more to that "first" than just first goal allowed.
 
First goal in a knockout game.  The match against Switzerland was a group stage game.  They had gone 8 straight knockout games without conceding.
 

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So, who is beating this team next year? 
 
Brazil looked fantastic but lets not get carried away.  Germany is absolutely stacked, disappointing results in Euro 2012 notwithstanding, and, unlike Spain, all their key players will be smack in the middle of their prime next summer.  On a neutral field, I don't see Brazil as favorites over them.  It won't be a neutral field, which is obviously huge, but there is not a significant enough talent gap between Brazil and other top teams to view them as overwhelming favorites, even at home.
 

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Absolutely stunning by Luiz.  A player I generally detest, but a magnificent play.
 
Agreed, although he was beaten rather badly on the initial pass (not shown in the Chelsea PR gif) and slowed, then realized he needed to hustle and did, making a great play in the end.
 

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Brazil looked fantastic but lets not get carried away.  Germany is absolutely stacked, disappointing results in Euro 2012 notwithstanding, and, unlike Spain, all their key players will be smack in the middle of their prime next summer.  On a neutral field, I don't see Brazil as favorites over them.  It won't be a neutral field, which is obviously huge, but there is not a significant enough talent gap between Brazil and other top teams to view them as overwhelming favorites, even at home.
 
I'd add that Brazil did not dominate as handily as the 3-0 scoreline indicated. Spain was creating chances in the second half, but as perfectly illustrated by Ramos's penalty it wasn't their day. Shots on goal were nearly identical and Spain had an 8-1 advantage on corners. Both of Fred's goals could have been stopped (Does Diego Lopez make those saves? I keed I keed!). In a World Cup final, I don't think Spain gets the same level of intimidating home crowd (Too many comped tickets are distributed) which may not allow them to super kick Spain's shins and ankles with aplomb. The jaw dropping defensive gaffes put on a nice spotlight on the defense. Once they got past teams they have a definitive talent advantage against (Japan and Mexico) they began to allow excellent scoring chances and goals. 
 
I disagree with Alexi Lalas that Brazil could benefit from more adversity. While most of the players on the team are new to the Selecao, they are aware of the recent failures and will not be over confident next summer. Yesterday's win gives them and the home fans belief that they can win #6. 
 

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I'd add that Brazil did not dominate as handily as the 3-0 scoreline indicated. Spain was creating chances in the second half, but as perfectly illustrated by Ramos's penalty it wasn't their day.
 
It seemed that way to me as well, even after the red card.  I dont know the game well enough to know if it was because Spain was just selling out on D in order to attack, or if Brazil really is that challenged defensively.  Of course, Brazil had some additional chances as well, but couldnt stay onside on several of them.
 

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I'd add that Brazil did not dominate as handily as the 3-0 scoreline indicated. Spain was creating chances in the second half, but as perfectly illustrated by Ramos's penalty it wasn't their day. Shots on goal were nearly identical and Spain had an 8-1 advantage on corners. Both of Fred's goals could have been stopped (Does Diego Lopez make those saves? I keed I keed!). In a World Cup final, I don't think Spain gets the same level of intimidating home crowd (Too many comped tickets are distributed) which may not allow them to super kick Spain's shins and ankles with aplomb. The jaw dropping defensive gaffes put on a nice spotlight on the defense. Once they got past teams they have a definitive talent advantage against (Japan and Mexico) they began to allow excellent scoring chances and goals. 
 
I disagree with Alexi Lalas that Brazil could benefit from more adversity. While most of the players on the team are new to the Selecao, they are aware of the recent failures and will not be over confident next summer. Yesterday's win gives them and the home fans belief that they can win #6. 
 
Really. I had the opposite impression (no real rooting interest), that it could have easily been 3-0 by late in the first half, and Spain were lucky they weren't down to 10 men after a terribly cynical hack by Arbeloa on Neymar.  Spain definitely should have put one in somewhere, but this had the looks of a 4-1 game to me. Even with more luck, Spain would have lost this one, and a couple more bounces for Brazil and it could have gotten uglier than it already was for Spain.
 
I think the penalty kick was pretty much a dive, so justice was served with the miss.  Spain is a great team, but this was as lopsided a game as you will see by two top teams.  Spain seemed to realize they were outclassed fairly quickly and just started diving in hopes of drawing some cards to slow down Brazil's physical play.  Brazil just looked more energetic, stronger, bigger, faster, and as skilled.
 
Spain is not old, though they looked it, and after this game and the Bayern Munich-Barcelona debacle, I think there are some major questions there.  Hopefully they get worked out before the world cup. I was not sold on this Brazil side, and I guess I'm still not sure if this is a product of a terrible performance by Spain or a great one by Brazil.
 

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I think the penalty kick was pretty much a dive, so justice was served with the miss.  Spain is a great team, but this was as lopsided a game as you will see by two top teams.  Spain seemed to realize they were outclassed fairly quickly and just started diving in hopes of drawing some cards to slow down Brazil's physical play.  Brazil just looked more energetic, stronger, bigger, faster, and as skilled.
 
Spain is not old, though they looked it, and after this game and the Bayern Munich-Barcelona debacle, I think there are some major questions there.  Hopefully they get worked out before the world cup. I was not sold on this Brazil side, and I guess I'm still not sure if this is a product of a terrible performance by Spain or a great one by Brazil.
 
This is absolutely true. And this basically shows us that this tournament is not a 100% statement for what we will see next year. You basically have to look at who is playing, here. For Spain almost everyone is playing 40+ matches in their league+CL. They didn´t have a regular summer break and then of course had the shorter break after the semis. At Brazil you saw f.e. Luiz Gustavo who wasn´t a regular starter at Bayern and definitely had fresher legs. I think Brazil will have trouble on D, same as Spain. Dante was a rock at Bayern and he gets overlooked because of the hair of David Luiz. Nice save at the line and all, but he makes too many mistakes. Same for Dani Alves and Marcelo. If i would have those type of players at my club (amateur-level-club), i would hate it and make them play winger. They have nice offensive talent etc., but make too many mistakes in defense and miss the main job, to shut the door.
 
Arbeloa could have been sent off, if the ref is nuts but he got it right with yellow, as Neymar spun three times and held his foot while Arbeloa held his arm..Ridiculous. The discussions and kicks from behind were really hard. You really saw that Brazil wanted to win this as a statement. But i hate that constant debating with the ref. It is such an annoying thing (asking for red card instead of yellow..). The left hammer of Neymar was a beauty.
 
Next year will be entirely different i think. There should be a longer break after the season and more time to prepare for the WC.
 

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Really thought Casillas had a rough game. He should've come out and caught the cross on the first goal. It looked like to me he could've done better on the 3rd goal (Fred's 2nd). And even though the Neymar shot was a blast, Iker could've forced that shot to the far post by cheating over to the near post more, but I'm not blaming that shoddy D on him.
 
Not trying to read too much into this game, but it does tell us some things. Xavi is starting to look older. Even though he just came off an exhausting CL-La Liga campaign, it's going to be the same thing next year. I still don't understand why Villa doesn't get more love (PT) at Barca or the national squad. He's very consistent and an excellent finisher and passer/combo player (important for Spain/Barca style). I hope to see Cesc filling in for Xavi more next year for Barca to keep Xavi fresh. Spain will also presumably benefit from having Puyol leading the D next summer (although he's obviously getting older too, but I think his leadership is sorely missed at the back). While Pique is incredibly talented, he doesn't command a line like Puyol.
 
Don't know this Brazil team as much, but Neymar is clearly a special talent and it looks like the young guys are starting to step into the spotlight. Will Lucio be on the team next summer? Also, why wasn't Maicon on the field? Granted, I've been out of the loop this summer because I'm studying for the bar exam, but I remember in recent years, Maicon and Marcelo would start over Dani Alves. Maicon is a beast.
 
Lastly, I think Italy, Spain, Germany, and Argentina can all match up with Brazil. Italy with their Catenaccio may be able to slow Brazil down and they certainly have firepower up front. Spain is Spain and until someone beats them in the WC, they're my favorite. Germany looms large. A very physical team with a strong identity, and exceptional transition play. Their wingers are vicious. Argentina have the talent to match, but their team D is forever suspect. Although the D talent is looking better - with another season playing CB, Mascherano will be improved, and Coloccini is a young stud. Zabaleta is an excellent FB/WB and they have serviceable players opposite him. DMF may be a problem - Cambiasso is likely too old to play there and I'm not convinced about Gago. Pastore is an excellent creator as an AMF, and with an unreal array of forwards, scoring shouldn't be a problem.
 
Other teams that may make some noise include the Dutch and Mexico.
 

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I wouldn't call the Italian game Catenaccio. They're controlling the tempo through a great crop of midfielders, not sitting back and letting the opponent dictate play. If anything, they look like Spain at times.
 

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Criticisms of Brazil's defense are ironic, because before the tournament started all the talk was about how Brazil had an outstanding defense but was unproven going forward.  Neymar, Fred, Hulk, Oscar were not really proven at international level while in Thiago Silva, David Luiz, and Dante Brazil have three of probably the 10 or so best CBs around.  Now the narrative is flipped.  Partly that's because (as pointed out above) the fullbacks are suspect defensively, and Neymar and Fred really stepped up.
 
The big problem for Spain is that Xavi is 33 and not getting any younger, the team is almost entirely built around him, and there just doesn't exist another player who can do what peak-Xavi could do from 2008-11.  Xavi is still good but he's not quite that good any more, at least not consistently, and Spain really struggle when Xavi is off form.  Xavi links the team together; when he's off, the forwards get isolated, the fullbacks don't get into the game, Iniesta has to come deeper to get the ball and so his dribbling is less effective, and the backline comes under more pressure.  It's not clear to me that he'll be capable of playing at peak level every 3-4 days for the 7 straight games you need to win the World Cup, especially against the most aggressive and athletic sides, as we saw both against Brazil and Bayern Munich.  If they want to start transitioning from Xavi, they need to start playing a bit of a different style.  But I'm not sure they can do that, or that Xavi's ego will allow it.
 
As a huge Xavi fanboy, I find this extremely depressing.  
 

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As someone who fully expected to see Spain lose, I have to say that I hope that the totality of the result really kicks Spain into adressing the problems displayed during the tournament. With the exception of the opener against Uruguay, La Roja looked unable to sustain threatening possession and were extremley weak once losing the ball. Every instance where Spain lost the ball in the opposing half, It looked like a sure fire goal scoring oppurtunity with Alba and Arbeloa woefully out of position and Busquets unable to disrupt the opposition. Quite simply Del Bosque should show the tape of the last three matches to Xavi and tell him to stick his whining about the double pivot up his arse. Spain really should have played with Javi Martinez patroling the midfield the wole tournament. I also can't believe how bad Arbeloa looked, he has never been a standout defensively, but he has typically been a good bet to perform adequately against any competition. However he is more and more trying to play further up the pitch (where unlike Alba he offers very little) and also unlike Alba he simply lacks the speed to quickly recover when an attack implodes. This poor postioning of the two full backs left way way to much space for Italy and Brazil to exploit.
 
In regards to the attack, Spain looked most threatening when Navas was on the pitch. He offers the width and pace neccesarry to open up the field for the cental players like Iniesta to find space for their darting runs. Lastly, Isco needs to be given a run out for the senior squad. He is not a natural striker of course, but I feel that he offers the type of dynamic play of a Luis Suarez and could do wonders for Spain up front.
 

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These last two posts about Spain were great. Thanks for sharing.
 
I completely agree with your assessment about Arbeloa and Javi Martinez. Arbeloa does not offer the offensive potential and the defensive stability the team needs. Is Azpilicueta the answer? If not, does Del Bosque give Juanfran another shot, or does Del Bosque opt for a player from the U-21 squad?
 
And, yes, Del Bosque needs to find a place for Javi Martinez on the pitch. Is Javi Martinez better than Busquets at this point? Should Martinez place in place of Busquets, or is there an opportunity for both to play at the same time in the double pivot?
 

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bosox4283 said:
These last two posts about Spain were great. Thanks for sharing.
 
I completely agree with your assessment about Arbeloa and Javi Martinez. Arbeloa does not offer the offensive potential and the defensive stability the team needs. Is Azpilicueta the answer? If not, does Del Bosque give Juanfran another shot, or does Del Bosque opt for a player from the U-21 squad?
 
And, yes, Del Bosque needs to find a place for Javi Martinez on the pitch. Is Javi Martinez better than Busquets at this point? Should Martinez place in place of Busquets, or is there an opportunity for both to play at the same time in the double pivot?
 
I think the answer to the double pivot issue depends on the general strategic approach.  You don't need the double pivot if you plan on pressing high up the field -- indeed you don't necessarily want it, because your 2 defensive CMs will be too deeply positioned to press the opposition's deeper midfielders.  This is what Barcelona do, and they never play with a double pivot.  But if your team is too old, slow, fatigued, or lazy to consistently press high up the field, you're going to need to win the ball back deeper in your own half, and then you need the double pivot to help cover in that area.  
 
The other problem for Spain is, if they play a Busquets/Martinez double pivot, who gets dropped?  You can't really drop Xavi or Iniesta.  You could drop Pedro or Mata/Silva, but then you become extremely narrow.  Part of the solution then is that because your backline has more cover, your fullbacks can get forward more and provide the width.  But then you can't really play Arbeloa, because he's not technically good enough nor quick enough to be of much use going forward, and Xavi can't stand him and basically refuses to pass the ball to him.  This is where they really miss Puyol; when Puyol was healthy they could play Pique/Puyol at CB and then move Ramos out to RB, and Ramos is a much better player than Arbeloa.  Azpulicueta may be the long-term answer, but he's young and still somewhat unproven at the top international level.  
 
At WC 2010, this is basically what they did: an Alonso/Busquets double pivot, Villa or Torres as the center forward, Pedro or Villa playing as a sort-of winger, fullbacks pushing up high when they could.  It was pretty good for possession and defense but Spain lacked width when the fullbacks couldn't get forward and struggled to score, winning all four knockout games 1-0.
 
The other option would be to play the double pivot + the false nine, drop Torres, and switch one of the sort of-wingers for someone like Fabregas who can play the false 9.  This is basically what VDB did at Euro 2012.  Then you get the best of both worlds both defensively and also in terms of possession and width, at the lack of some final-third penetration and finishing.  Except Torres hasn't provided much of that anyway, and VDB doesn't seem to have much faith in Soldado or Villa.  I think this is probably VDB's preferred approach, but Fabregas is the only guy he seems to trust to play the False 9 role and Fabregas wasn't fully fit for this tournament.  
 
What's funny about Spain is that they have amazing depth, but their perceived optimal tactical set-up is highly dependent on the idiosyncratic skills of a few key players, so that despite their incredible depth, the team looks disjointed when those guys are missing or aren't playing well, and the "depth" players -- Mata, Silva, Cazorla, Martinez, etc. -- never seem to quite fit in and are rarely anywhere near their best for Spain.  
 

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I think you bring up a lot of good points, but I have to strongly disagree with the notion that Xavi needs to be an untouchable part of the midfield going forward. With the admission that I did not watch too much La Liga this season (BeIn was not offered by Verizon in my area until well after Jose Mourinho completely crushed my soul/interest in my club) I have not seen the majestic top-form Xavi in quite some time and it seems that every time I watch him play (typically I watch 20+ Barca matches a season and every competitive Spain match), the little white devil (iniesta) just outshines him in everyway and is the one who creates the majority of opportunities.  Also it is not like Alonso or Martinez are not excellent passers of the ball as well (obviously not the same style or class as Xavi was maybe still is) so I feel that sacrificing Xavi to get more defensive steel, structure, maintain more possession, and to create a different style of outlet (Xabi's long diagonal balls to a Pedro or Navas could really change things up and keep the opposition back line uneasy) may be worth it. Of course my opinion could be wrong.
 
As far as Spain's future right back is concerned my guess is that will be Daniel Carvajal and not Azpilicueta. But yeah anyone but the Yankees - I mean anyone but Arbeloa.
 

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These last two posts about Spain were great. Thanks for sharing.
 
I completely agree with your assessment about Arbeloa and Javi Martinez. Arbeloa does not offer the offensive potential and the defensive stability the team needs. Is Azpilicueta the answer? If not, does Del Bosque give Juanfran another shot, or does Del Bosque opt for a player from the U-21 squad?
 
And, yes, Del Bosque needs to find a place for Javi Martinez on the pitch. Is Javi Martinez better than Busquets at this point? Should Martinez place in place of Busquets, or is there an opportunity for both to play at the same time in the double pivot?
I agree, and gave both of them membership.
 

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I think you bring up a lot of good points, but I have to strongly disagree with the notion that Xavi needs to be an untouchable part of the midfield going forward. With the admission that I did not watch too much La Liga this season (BeIn was not offered by Verizon in my area until well after Jose Mourinho completely crushed my soul/interest in my club) I have not seen the majestic top-form Xavi in quite some time and it seems that every time I watch him play (typically I watch 20+ Barca matches a season and every competitive Spain match), the little white devil (iniesta) just outshines him in everyway and is the one who creates the majority of opportunities.  Also it is not like Alonso or Martinez are not excellent passers of the ball as well (obviously not the same style or class as Xavi was maybe still is) so I feel that sacrificing Xavi to get more defensive steel, structure, maintain more possession, and to create a different style of outlet (Xabi's long diagonal balls to a Pedro or Navas could really change things up and keep the opposition back line uneasy) may be worth it. Of course my opinion could be wrong.
 
As far as Spain's future right back is concerned my guess is that will be Daniel Carvajal and not Azpilicueta. But yeah anyone but the Yankees - I mean anyone but Arbeloa.
 
I agree with you about Xavi's decline, and that Iniesta has been the better player for the past 12 months at least.  But they play different roles.  Iniesta is a better dribbler, more of a final-third creator.  He's not the metronome of the side in the way Xavi is.  Alonso and Martinez are both good passers but not close to Xavi's level (no one is) and have different styles.  Alonso likes to play longer passes, Martinez is more direct and will dribble more and play more vertically.
 
The problem is, once you start playing longer passes and dribbling more and playing more directly, you're inevitably going to have more turnovers because those are higher-risk plays.  That means the opposition is going to have chances to counter at pace against Spain's typically very high defensive line, which is a recipe for trouble.  You could play a deeper line, but 1) then it's harder to press since there's more space for the opposition midfield to operate in, and 2) now when your defense wins the ball back they are 20-30 yards deeper down the pitch and it's much harder to link defense and attack together, and 3) it's more difficult for your fullbacks to get forward and provide width when you're playing a deeper line.  That means you have no attacking width, so now maybe you need to play an out-and-out winger like Navas, but then you have one less player in the middle and it will be harder to hold the ball, etc. 
 
My point is that without Xavi to control possession in the middle of the field, Spain's entire strategic approach has to change.Some teams are able to get away with changing their system all the time.  Michael Cox pointed out that Uruguay played four significantly different formations in their five ConFed games, and Italy have displayed a great tactical versatility in the past several years, sometimes playing a back three with wingbacks, sometimes a Christmas Tree, sometimes 1 striker, sometimes 2.  But since Spain became SPAIN, they have had a distinct identity, and IMO one of the keys to their success was that they always were able to impose their tempo on the other team.  Xavi was always the key to that.  I agree that he can't continue to be untouchable, but only because he's getting old and can't consistently play at his prior level  anymore.  I'm skeptical though of Spain's ability to manage his transition gracefully.  I think Spain will eventually be fine without him -- they are too talented -- but it could be a bit bumpy in between now and then.
 
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I agree, and gave both of them membership.
 
Wow, thanks.  As a lurker since 2003, this is a big day for me.
 

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Agreed, although he was beaten rather badly on the initial pass (not shown in the Chelsea PR gif) and slowed, then realized he needed to hustle and did, making a great play in the end.
Actually the rest of BRazil's defense was caught up field and Luiz was back defending a 2v1, in which case he took the man he was supposed to, the one with the ball.  1 of the 4 defenders for Brazil did their job on the play, it was Luiz
 

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DLew On Roids said:
 
A lot will depend on if they're allowed to get away with playing over the line the way they did today.  The ref was way out of his depth.
 
 
 
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