2013-2014 Syracuse Basketball: Same Zone, New Conference
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That is one of the worst calls I've ever seen. And Boeheim gets a double T and an ejection.
I'm not an Orange fan and have no love lost for Boeheim, but this is fucking criminal.
A total breakdown in discipline by the official. Cuse should have been shooting a free throw for the lead.
I'm not an Orange fan and have no love lost for Boeheim, but this is fucking criminal.
A total breakdown in discipline by the official. Cuse should have been shooting a free throw for the lead.
Just out of curiosity, what do you have against Boeheim? I've always kind of liked the guy.mabrowndog said:
Dr. Gonzo said:
His body was still moving laterally. Plus he started arching his back prior to contact. It was a great sell job, and it worked. But I expect ACC officials to get a call like that right. Instead, the official was BEHIND the shooter as he drove the lane, with his vision of the contact obstructed.
Watch it again. His body leaned into Fair even if his feet were set. But what makes it so brutal is that a short while earlier, Parker drove to the basket and absolutely clearly plowed an SU defender over, but they called a block there. And in between, Grant and Christmas both get hammered on baskets and no call on either. Pretty much every big call down the stretch (with one exception...the Cooney stumble no call) went for Duke.Dr. Gonzo said:
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
It's nothing personal. I've just never been a fan of his strategy and game management.
mabrowndog said:
Not to excuse the horrible charge call (or the numerous blocks called on Cuse), but the above is the real reason they lost. You can't make a cavalcade of unforced errors early. That's 8 points right there, possibly 9 if Grant converts the 3-pt play.
I realize that Grant was fighting a back injury, but there were plenty of other cases of blown easy shots and critical defensive breakdowns on basic fundamentals.
I just think it was close enough that it could've went either way. Not surprised it went for the home team. It's like hearing Duke fans complain when 3/5 of their starters were in foul trouble for the game at the Carrier Dome. I'm just not surprised that the home team will have a small built in advantage with the refs.ivanvamp said:
My girlfriend is a Syracuse alum and she is more pissed at Jim B. right now for losing his shit and putting the nail in the coffin. I only watch Syracuse games with her for my college basketball games and the SU-Duke games have been phenomenal.
mabrowndog said:
Very true. Plenty of Syracuse errors. And yet, despite all of them, they were right there. Parker's three point play (which should have been a charge), and then Fair's charge (should have been a three-point play) swung the game. SU had a chance to take the lead with 10 seconds left and instead (thanks to Boeheim's explosion) were suddenly down six. Ballgame.
It was a horrible call. One of the emphasis this season was to not reward the defense for not coming under the player who left their feet. That call was a prime example of what they're trying to correct.
RedOctober3829 said:
And yes, I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but 10 minutes earlier, Parker drove hard to the basket and Gbinije actually WAS completely set, and they called a block, giving Parker a three-point play. Put those two plays next to each other and you can see why Boeheim went bezerk.
And that's exactly what Boeheim said in his press conference afterward. He said it got called against Gbinije Earlier. And if you watch the replay, after he's done saying "Bullshit" over and over he starts telling the refs "That's the new rule! That's the new rule!"RedOctober3829 said:
I agree, gmogmo, and yet Bilas was right: the call cost SU two, maybe three points. But there were still 10 seconds left, with SU down two. If Boeheim doesn't go bezerk, SU still has a chance. His explosion ended the game right there. The refs made a bad call on the Fair drive, but they had no choice but to run Boeheim.
Guys, do you not remember the questionable no-call on the Hood missed dunk at the end of the first game? I have no idea if the refs made the right call on that, or tonight. But you have to admit it evened out, right?
The guy's never been tossed in 35 years. OK, we all have to keep control, but that's a 1-in-1000 pass.
That was a questionable call, but at least the ref swallowed his whistle at the Dome. Plus, the call on Fair: 1) took 2 pts off the board; and 2) is not what the new rules say. A no call gives Duke the ball w/ 10 sec to go.tims4wins said:
It's too bad because it was a great game. Oh, and Parker is a beast.
Tough stretch here for the Orange. That BC game is really going to cost them.
My larger point is that I think the two teams are even and that a split was probably deserved. Will probably play again for ACC title on neutral ground.
I was definitely glad to see the Orange in this one to the end with absolutely nothing from Ennis (2-13) or Cooney.
Cooney really needs to find his stroke. He had some easy looks in the first half but his shots were way off. Again.
I hope we get a rubber match in the ACC Tourney, wherever the hell that is.
Cooney really needs to find his stroke. He had some easy looks in the first half but his shots were way off. Again.
I hope we get a rubber match in the ACC Tourney, wherever the hell that is.
So you decided not to watch the second half?tims4wins said:
(Whoops, thought this was the 15-501 thread.)
tims4wins said:
I would say you're much more like to play in the semi-finals given the way it shapes up now. UVA is probably going to win the league unless Syracuse can go into Charlottesville and win. Syracuse or Duke will be the 2 or the 3 and probably UNC the 4 unless they lose 2x down the stretch or can go into Durham and win there too. Pitt could also win out, leap frogging UNC if they lose 2x.
Well I'm not DukeSox but I didn't watch the first half on Thurs or tonight. 2 kids under 2 will do that.
nope. Did you see the 3 pt play Parker had prior? Have you been following the rule changes this year?tims4wins said:
even??? give us a call when we get to 5 lossestims4wins said:
edit. my bad 6 losses...
Somehow everyone missed that before the charge, Fair caught ball and was standing on the sidelines. I missed it live too, and with the block/charge call and Jimmy B reaction I get why the broadcast never went back to it. But the call wouldn't have even happened if the refs didn't miss an easy call.
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Yeah even. I think if they play on a neutral court it is a pick em. Not saying Duke should be same seed - they shouldn't. But Cuse is fortunate to only have 1 loss coming into tonight.
And thanks Gregfan - you guys deserved it on Thurs and are clicking on nearly all cylinders. Will be a tough out in March. Glad Duke can't see them until like a regional final at the earliest!
And thanks Gregfan - you guys deserved it on Thurs and are clicking on nearly all cylinders. Will be a tough out in March. Glad Duke can't see them until like a regional final at the earliest!
A better screen shot would clearly show his heels off the line. I noticed it live as well and checked a couple of replays.minischwab said:
tims4wins said:
If Greensboro is ever considered "neutral ground" for Duke against any school from north of the Mason-Dixon line, that'll be a first.
Eh it is not really a home court advantage due to all of the UNC, State, and Wake fans who will root against Duke. No where Duke goes is an advantage, aside from MSG. Just my opinion.
I went to the NCAA opening rounds at Greensboro back in 2009 and I can tell you playing there is a solid home court advantage for UNC, less so for Duke. Almost all the Duke and Carolina fans hung around to cheer against each other, but the Carolina fans were definitely in the majority.mabrowndog said:
Credit to Boeheim for joking about it afterward - said something along the lines of "now they'll remember me down here".
It was a bad call, and while I don't have any problem with the ref giving Boeheim a T, I would have liked to have seen him swallow the whistle there. Yes, Boeheim overreacted, but if you have the guts to make that kind of call, you have to have the guts to take some flak for it.
Again, not blaming the ref for giving the T, but would have respected him more for not doing it, even with Boheim's over the top reaction.
Again, not blaming the ref for giving the T, but would have respected him more for not doing it, even with Boheim's over the top reaction.
I can assure you that when they finally move this back woods conference tourney up to the big time (MSG) that it will not be a home court advantage for Duke, especially against Cuse.tims4wins said:
Surprised more people aren't talking in this thread about the crappy play from our starting backcourt. That's why we lost, guys.
Oh agreed, I meant MSG was an advantage when Duke plays "neutral" court games against other teams there. The ACC tourney is a different story no matter where it is - everyone roots against Duke. Same with the NCAAs really.
Trevor Cooney is the 2nd leading scorer on the #1 team as a Soph. He avgs 41% from 3pt line and 88% from FT line. He is 2nd in ACC in steals. He is 6'4", pretty strong, needs to develop a MUCH better handle, but isn't some un-athletic white kid that can only spot up and shoot. And his improvement from last year to this year has been HUGE. He could become the #1 scoring option for Cuse next season.BigSoxFan said:
He is much better then Andy Rautins at this stage of his career. Andy was drafted 38th.
These were Rautin's #s as a 5th year Senior (the only time he was a starter):
Rautins finished the season averaging 12.1 points, 4.9 assists, 3.4 rebounds and 2.0 steals per game (leading the Big East), and was named to the All Big East Second Team and was also named an AP All American Honorable Mention.[20]
So Cooney should have NBA aspirations, in a few years.
mabrowndog said:
This assumes that there are Duke fans in North Carolina.
There are three types of Duke fans in North Carolina, and the population of each is pretty limited:
1. Old-time NC families who live in Durham and have a family connection to Duke, usually as office workers, etc. This group skews heavily African-American, and I've sometimes wondered if there isn't a longstanding AA backlash against the predominantly white big universities. This wouldn't be without precedent, as there developed a large AA fanbase for the Cowboys in the DC area as a result of George Preston Marshall's racism.
2. Duke alumni who stick around after graduation. There are very few of these, as the undergraduate population isn't heavy on locals.
3. Transplants who jumped on the bandwagon. You run into some of these folks in Raleigh's bedroom communities (Cary, Morrisville, Apex, Wake Forest), but they tend to be more the guy who sits quietly watching the game and talking about what a great leader Coach Krzyzewski is. They usually aren't nearly as invested as the locals.
Truth be told, there are far, FAR more East Carolina fans in most of NC than Duke fans.
Silver lining to the loss: this rivalry has exploded out of the gates with what Jimmy B called the best game ever at the Dome and then the first game he's gotten tossed from basically ever.
I could easily see this being the best actual rivalry (top teams, not necessarily historical geo-foes).
With him and Coach K the two living legends in the game, let's hope this new motivation keeps Jimmy coaching for another 10 years. (Poor Mike Hopkins)
I could easily see this being the best actual rivalry (top teams, not necessarily historical geo-foes).
With him and Coach K the two living legends in the game, let's hope this new motivation keeps Jimmy coaching for another 10 years. (Poor Mike Hopkins)