2008 NFL Draft Game Thread, Day 2

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I don't think it makes much sense to compare the Pats situation to the average team over the past ten years---they have a vastly superior draft/assessment record and a much more complete roster right now than the average team. Look at it this way (which is a lot more relevant to the question I asked above): how many draft picks in the 5.6.7 round for the Pats the last 3-4 years have been anything but special teams players for them? O'Callaghan, basically, and Cassell. Far more guys couldn't make the roste, and so even making it as a gunner for a couple years would represent more value than they've gotten.
I am just of the opinion that drafting a player based solely on his projection as a ST player results in a higher likelihood that player will not make the roster. It also goes against Belichick's usual valuation of players, where a player who can play multiple positions has been regarded higher than non-flexible ones.
 

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I know Dan Snyder is known for recklessly throwing money around, but I hope he doesn't try to rape the Redskins in contract negotiations.
 

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It's funny how Jaw drools over KOC and talks about the problems with the guy who threw 958 touchdowns.
 

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Who, what name are we calling at 197, Mike Dragosavich or Andre Callender.

And awesome this Redskins VP calling out Mel/Jaws.
 

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A funny post-mortem quote from Mario Manningham:

"I don't think I'm a risky pick. I don't think that's the issue. Everyone's picks is the same. I mean everyone's picks is different. If different coaches believe in different players they're going to pick them players. Some players are gonna go to other places. I mean, I don't think I'm a risky pick."

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/...ve_any_reg.html

Yeah, the Wonderlic score of 6 was for real.
 

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I am just of the opinion that drafting a player based solely on his projection as a ST player results in a higher likelihood that player will not make the roster. It also goes against Belichick's usual valuation of players, where a player who can play multiple positions has been regarded higher than non-flexible ones.
That's what these "experts" have projected these players as. They are the same ones that said Dan Connor would go late-1st/2nd round. They are not always right. NONE OF US know what the Pats see in these players. They obviously see something that could potentially help this team. They will ONLY draft players that THEY feel fit in their system. So they obviously believe that Wheatley, Crable, Wilhite, and Slater can develop and contribute in this system eventually. They will probably spend most of their time on STs at the beginning of their careers, but that doesn't mean the Pats don't see them becoming more than that.

Many people need to get over the fact that the Pats don't care about lists compiled by Kiper, Mayock, and the like. The Pats system is different than any other in football. They aren't going to take a "name"-player, no matter how productive they were in college, if they don't fit the Pats scheme. It sucks because it is not entertaining and we don't know a whole lot about these players, but they are bringing in these guys to create competition in camp and if they make it, great; if not, so be it. I guarantee that if any of these players are released, they will play on other teams (just like EVERY player that got released from last year's draft).
 

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Wow, McShay calling Kiper out...

"So, you're telling me that the Jaguars had an offer of a second rounder for Jason Taylor? Mel, you're making that up."
 

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And we wrap it up with Bo Ruud. Awesome name.

McShay vs Kiper is hilarious. Kiper is staring a hole through him, and McShay calls him a lair.
 

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Ruud is looking to follow in the footsteps of his father (Tom) and older brother (Barrett) and earn a napakymppi a NFL roster. At 6-foot-3, 235 pounds, Ruud has the size to play linebacker in the pros, and his toughness and grit make him an attractive pick. He also has excellent coverage skills and can make good reads on the ball. Ruud had 54 tackles and two interceptions as a senior at Nebraska in 2007, and finished with 216 tackles, 4 1/2 sacks and five interceptions in 47 collegiate games. Ruud probably does not have the tools right now to make an impact in the NFL, but with some improvement to his speed and footwork, he could be selected in one of the final rounds or be signed as a free agent.
 

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BTW, he ran a 4.51 and shocked people. I think he projects at the same ILB spot at Mayo is going to be playing.
 

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Someone is going to nab Colt Brennan and will be very very happy. I strongly belive he will be the best QB to come out of this draft by far. His accuracy is incredible, and his arm strength is enough to make all the throws, though he is definetly no Jamarcus. HE possess awesome leadership skills, and his football smarts are phenomenal.
I found this quote somewhat humorous. Although it may come true, it is said with such conviction I almost believed it. Really, he is basically a side arm thrower and thin as a rail. He played in a spread offense against medicore talent. When faced with really one of the few if not only challenges all year in his last game he stunk.

Colt Brennan is not a prototyical stud QB and, like I said, he may pan out, but let's be real about what and who we're talking about here.
 

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OLB: Thomas, Vrabel, Crable, Woods

ILB: Bruschi, Hobson, Mayo, Alexander, Ruud, Slaughter
 

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That's what these "experts" have projected these players as. They are the same ones that said Dan Connor would go late-1st/2nd round. They are not always right. NONE OF US know what the Pats see in these players. They obviously see something that could potentially help this team. They will ONLY draft players that THEY feel fit in their system. So they obviously believe that Wheatley, Crable, Wilhite, and Slater can develop and contribute in this system eventually. They will probably spend most of their time on STs at the beginning of their careers, but that doesn't mean the Pats don't see them becoming more than that.

Many people need to get over the fact that the Pats don't care about lists compiled by Kiper, Mayock, and the like. The Pats system is different than any other in football. They aren't going to take a "name"-player, no matter how productive they were in college, if they don't fit the Pats scheme. It sucks because it is not entertaining and we don't know a whole lot about these players, but they are bringing in these guys to create competition in camp and if they make it, great; if not, so be it. I guarantee that if any of these players are released, they will play on other teams (just like EVERY player that got released from last year's draft).
Thank you. That was 227 (yes, I counted) words we could have read on KFFL. Your guarantees and all caps emphasis will be valued for years to come, no doubt.
 

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OLB-
Thomas (starter)
Crable
Slaughter

ILB-
Bruschi (starter/rotation w Hobson)
Mayo (starter)
Hobson
Alexander
Izzo

OLB-
Vrabel (starter)
Woods
Ruud
 

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Thank you. That was 227 (yes, I counted) words we could have read on KFFL. Your guarantees and all caps emphasis will be valued for years to come, no doubt.

Haha, well, before you tried to belittle what I said, thank you for taking the time to count how many words I used. That shows that you have nothing of substance to say. But before you knock someone for being realistic and rational, maybe you should check how many posts you made about every prospect drafted in rounds 4-6 being drafted with their projections being solely STs. It gets really annoying because you don't know what they will be. I don't know either, but at least I'm being realistic and acknowledging the Pats aren't drafting a bunch of squids that they just intend to release or have projected as career STs. You really need to stop nutting on names that are on the board and what Kiper, Mayock, etc. say about each guy because names mean nothing to the Pats, just fitting in their system.
 

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At least Campbell is going to a team where he should be able to last 2 seasons and get out of going to Iraq.

I was kind of hoping the Giants would have taken him so they could have roomed him with Manningham and HBO could have created a mini series about them.
 

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This is pretty damn cool. Someone people from all 32 teams are rooting for.

(ESPN did something right!)