2000: The Lost Year

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Yeah I don't think he actually thought he'd be fired, if for nothing else what they spent to get him. The Athletic had a similar oral history of that season, but this is a different take.
 

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I still to this day find it extremely ironic that his first win as HC of the NEP came when going into Denver with an 0-4 record. They couldn't win there for shit during Brady's tenure.
 

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I never viewed 2000 as a lost year. It was clear they were on the decline under Carroll, and that fixing the team was going to take a bit of time. 2000 was a lot of seeing who could play, who couldn't, and figuring out what they wanted to do going forward.

I've always viewed 2002 as the lost year. After a great start, they played really poorly in a number of games they needed to win (the MNF game in Nashville and Jets at home the following week) and didnt even make the playoffs with roster that was better than 2001.
 

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Bill thought he wasn’t gonna make it through 2001? Wow.
Remember that until that point Kraft had the reputation of a clueless meddler.....remember the photo of him holding a stopwatch timing WRs at training camp? The local media had been firmly on Parcells' side (mostly because he gave them good quotes) and had a lot of contempt for Carroll's rah-rah stuff, and figured Kraft's meddling had driven Parcells out. So when BB began at 5-13 he and a lot of other people might have thought that Kraft would intervene and interfere again.
 

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Remember that until that point Kraft had the reputation of a clueless meddler.....remember the photo of him holding a stopwatch timing WRs at training camp? The local media had been firmly on Parcells' side (mostly because he gave them good quotes) and had a lot of contempt for Carroll's rah-rah stuff, and figured Kraft's meddling had driven Parcells out. So when BB began at 5-13 he and a lot of other people might have thought that Kraft would intervene and interfere again.
This jarred my memory, and I think I'm remembering this correctly - that Shaughnessy mercilessly mocked Kraft for months for using the term "press corner", insinuating that it was not a real thing in NFL circles and that Kraft was a jock-sniffing boob. Since then, the term "press corner" has fared much better in the sporting culture than has Dan Shaughnessy.

Kraft is still kind of a jock-sniffing boob, but one with 6 Super Bowl rings.
 

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This jarred my memory, and I think I'm remembering this correctly - that Shaughnessy mercilessly mocked Kraft for months for using the term "press corner", insinuating that it was not a real thing in NFL circles and that Kraft was a jock-sniffing boob. Since then, the term "press corner" has fared much better in the sporting culture than has Dan Shaughnessy.

Kraft is still kind of a jock-sniffing boob, but one with 6 Super Bowl rings.
Lest we forget, the player to whom "press corner" referred was one Chris Canty, who was indeed not a real thing in NFL circles.
 

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He was always a safety.
He was a safety in college but Carroll wanted to make him a press corner. Carroll got fired after Tebucky's rookie year, and Belichick moved him back to safety.

EDIT: if memory serves, Tebucky was actually a running back his first year or two of college. That was funny, because the other Pats first-rounder that year, Robert Edwards, was a running back who started his college career as a DB.
 

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I still to this day find it extremely ironic that his first win as HC of the NEP came when going into Denver with an 0-4 record. They couldn't win there for shit during Brady's tenure.
denver lost to a bad KC team at home that season and lost @ Ciny those 2 losses cost denver homefield in 2000 had Baltimore that season went to the old mile high its 50/50 at best they win because remember as bad as denver defense was that season they only gave up 21 @ balt and one of those TD'S was a 1 in 1'000 play
 

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Bill thought he wasn’t gonna make it through 2001? Wow.
I mentioned this a very long time ago here, but allegedly ESPN ran a story that the Patriots were thinking of firing Bill after the 2001 season if they didn't make the playoffs & their top target to replace him was Parcells.

This was like the Tuesday or Wednesday before the Mo Lewis game.
 

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I mentioned this a very long time ago here, but allegedly ESPN ran a story that the Patriots were thinking of firing Bill after the 2001 season if they didn't make the playoffs & their top target to replace him was Parcells.

This was like the Tuesday or Wednesday before the Mo Lewis game.
Well, that is a ridiculous story with what we know now...maybe not the firing BB part, but the Parcells part.
 

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I still to this day find it extremely ironic that his first win as HC of the NEP came when going into Denver with an 0-4 record. They couldn't win there for shit during Brady's tenure.
Or prior to either; Denver and Miami were two houses of horrors for the Patriots for as long as I can remember, up until the AFCCG in 1986 in Miami, they hadn't won down there in ages.

I remember a game in Denver when the Broncos were not very good and the Patriots were struggling to hang in the playoff hunt, Grogan fumbled during a sack and it got returned for a TD.............then it started snowing.

The worst was 1984 after Raymond Berry was hired when they fired Ron Meyer and it was a must win game, the Patriots were driving late for the go ahead score and Don Criqui says "And Grogan hands off to the sure handed Mosi Tatupu"....................he fumbled and it got returned for a back breaking game clinching TD.

Fucking Broncos, hate them and the Dolphins with the fire of 10,000 suns.
 

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This jarred my memory, and I think I'm remembering this correctly - that Shaughnessy mercilessly mocked Kraft for months for using the term "press corner", insinuating that it was not a real thing in NFL circles and that Kraft was a jock-sniffing boob. Since then, the term "press corner" has fared much better in the sporting culture than has Dan Shaughnessy.

Kraft is still kind of a jock-sniffing boob, but one with 6 Super Bowl rings.
Yeah, he ridiculed him for months, yammering about how Kraft was on the field with a stop watch and a whistle like he was a coach.

"Jock-sniffing boob".............pretty comical..............;)................
 

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Or prior to either; Denver and Miami were two houses of horrors for the Patriots for as long as I can remember, up until the AFCCG in 1986 in Miami, they hadn't won down there in ages.

I remember a game in Denver when the Broncos were not very good and the Patriots were struggling to hang in the playoff hunt, Grogan fumbled during a sack and it got returned for a TD.............then it started snowing.

The worst was 1984 after Raymond Berry was hired when they fired Ron Meyer and it was a must win game, the Patriots were driving late for the go ahead score and Don Criqui says "And Grogan hands off to the sure handed Mosi Tatupu"....................he fumbled and it got returned for a back breaking game clinching TD.

Fucking Broncos, hate them and the Dolphins with the fire of 10,000 suns.
by the way 1986 1987 2005 2013 2015 says hi i get the denver hate but why Miami
 

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by the way 1986 1987 2005 2013 2015 says hi i get the denver hate but why Miami
During the incredible Patriots run from 2001 to 2019 where they went to the playoffs/ won the division 17 times/11 strait, went to the AFCCG 13 times, the Super Bowl 9 times and won it 6 times, the Dolphins went to the playoffs a whopping 3 times......and were 0-3, ie, they never won ONE playoff game during that stretch, but despite that, then managed to be ants at a picnic and fuck up the Patriots playoff seeding twice, last year which really did not matter the way things turned out and also in 2015, costing them HFA in the AFCCG, thus gifting a Super Bowl trip to the corpse of Manning, who had a noodle for an arm and threw the ball counterclockwise vs a spiral.

Aside from that, Shula was an asshole, he's dead but he's still whining about the snowplow game, he needs to relax, Miami got their revenge on the Patriots that year in the playoffs, but he still never let it go, then throw in them popping the champagne every year when the last undefeated team loses, him not covering the field the night before the AFCCG vs the Jets when a monsoon rolled through Miami and turned the field into a mudbowl, slowing down the Jets pass rush and him being on the rules committee all those years too.

Fuck that team.
 

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During the incredible Patriots run from 2001 to 2019 where they went to the playoffs/ won the division 17 times/11 strait, went to the AFCCG 13 times, the Super Bowl 9 times and won it 6 times, the Dolphins went to the playoffs a whopping 3 times......and were 0-3, ie, they never won ONE playoff game during that stretch, but despite that, then managed to be ants at a picnic and fuck up the Patriots playoff seeding twice, last year which really did not matter the way things turned out and also in 2015, costing them HFA in the AFCCG, thus gifting a Super Bowl trip to the corpse of Manning, who had a noodle for an arm and threw the ball counterclockwise vs a spiral.

Aside from that, Shula was an asshole, he's dead but he's still whining about the snowplow game, he needs to relax, Miami got their revenge on the Patriots that year in the playoffs, but he still never let it go, then throw in them popping the champagne every year when the last undefeated team loses, him not covering the field the night before the AFCCG vs the Jets when a monsoon rolled through Miami and turned the field into a mudbowl, slowing down the Jets pass rush and him being on the rules committee all those years too.

Fuck that team.
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I remember that season fairly well, they started 0-4 with 4 close losses against good teams, and after beating the Broncos and Colts (both playoff teams) fairly convincingly to get back to 2-4 I actually thought that they would ride the momentum back and make a run for the playoffs. But after that they kind of sputtered and fizzled out. They had a decent defense that kept them competitive in most games but their O-Line was a sieve and didn't afford Bledsoe the protection he needed for deep dropbacks which were his strength, and he didn't really adapt well to having to orchestrate a quick strike passing game. Their non-existent running game didn't help matters much, either.

Looking back, their schedule was actually pretty brutal. They played 10 games against teams with winning records and went 2-8, with only two of the losses by more than one score. But against bad teams they played down to the level of competition, turning in embarrassing showings against the 3-13 Browns and 5-11 Bears (both games weren't as competitive as the final score would indicate IIRC) and barely ekeing out a win at home versus the 4-12 Bengals.

I also remember being excited for the draft the following year and was ecstatic that David Terrell slipped to their spot, only for them to pass on him for some guy named Seymour in what was OBVIOUSLY the biggest draft blunder in HISTORY according to my then 15 year old brain.
 

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I mean, also, it's now clear that at that point that Bledsoe was cooked. He didn't play well in 2000, but the excuses were there for him, bad OL and scheme, etc. When Brady took over in 2001 the difference between them was STARK, and this was well before the Brady legend was cemented.

Bledsoe went on to play five more years, and in both Buffalo and Dallas the pattern was the same: be the starter for 1 or 2 years, fail to make the playoffs, and then lose his job to a backup (JP Losman, Tony Romo).
 

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I remember that season fairly well, they started 0-4 with 4 close losses against good teams, and after beating the Broncos and Colts (both playoff teams) fairly convincingly to get back to 2-4 I actually thought that they would ride the momentum back and make a run for the playoffs. But after that they kind of sputtered and fizzled out. They had a decent defense that kept them competitive in most games but their O-Line was a sieve and didn't afford Bledsoe the protection he needed for deep dropbacks which were his strength, and he didn't really adapt well to having to orchestrate a quick strike passing game. Their non-existent running game didn't help matters much, either.

Looking back, their schedule was actually pretty brutal. They played 10 games against teams with winning records and went 2-8, with only two of the losses by more than one score. But against bad teams they played down to the level of competition, turning in embarrassing showings against the 3-13 Browns and 5-11 Bears (both games weren't as competitive as the final score would indicate IIRC) and barely ekeing out a win at home versus the 4-12 Bengals.

I also remember being excited for the draft the following year and was ecstatic that David Terrell slipped to their spot, only for them to pass on him for some guy named Seymour in what was OBVIOUSLY the biggest draft blunder in HISTORY according to my then 15 year old brain.
I think the game I remember the most from that season was the one against the Bears. Mainly because the defensive front got absolutely no pressure on their qb (the Shane Mathews Band), and he completed what seemed like 20 passes in a row at one point (it was actually ‘only’ ~15) Was why I was happy with the pick of Seymour. Not saying I was smarter than a 15 year old you, but I’ll claim to be at least smarter than Borges. :)
 

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What team in the AFC West is your most hated rival and why?
it used to be oakland/las vegas as a kid but since i joined the sb nation blogs in 2009 and more so around 2015 its KC that blog arrowhead pride used to be one of the best on the network but when the onigal owners left most of their fans changed overnight what sit me over the edge was them defend wr t hill like he was a saint yeah radiers fans hate denver but they are smart passionte fans that have commse seane its not the KC Organization for me its their fans
 

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it used to be oakland/las vegas as a kid but since i joined the sb nation blogs in 2009 and more so around 2015 its KC that blog arrowhead pride used to be one of the best on the network but when the onigal owners left most of their fans changed overnight what sit me over the edge was them defend wr t hill like he was a saint yeah radiers fans hate denver but they are smart passionte fans that have commse seane its not the KC Organization for me its their fans
You're preaching to the choir, I understand what you mean about sometimes it's not so much the organization, it's the fans.

For me with the Dolphins, it's both.

They haven't won a thing for close to 50 years and they hold on to their perfect season like it's grim death.
 

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You're preaching to the choir, I understand what you mean about sometimes it's not so much the organization, it's the fans.

For me with the Dolphins, it's both.

They haven't won a thing for close to 50 years and they hold on to their perfect season like it's grim death.
i agree with u on the pefect season thing they care way too much about it when in reality had the ref in 2007 called eli in the grasp like he should their record wouild had been dead by 12 years or samuel catch that int
 

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i agree with u on the pefect season thing they care way too much about it when in reality had the ref in 2007 called eli in the grasp like he should their record wouild had been dead by 12 years or samuel catch that int
Either one of those things happening would have done it.

Unreal.
 

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Or Pierre Woods holds onto that fumble.
I’m not a football genius and, like many, avoid any replays of the Scottish game. That said, I think there is a sideline angle that appears to show he curls up on the ball. Of course he loses it in the ensuing ruck when the OL jumps onto him. How different is his recovery to the KC playoff game where the ball was dead on contact?
 

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Yeah he legally recovered the ball, which wasn’t a reviewable play for some dumb reason.