2/23 Celtics at Lakers

HomeRunBaker

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So you think it's ok for someone to shove someone out of bounds going for a loose ball? Because that's what was happening as Tatum fell out of bounds.
The fact that all of those calls went the Lakers way is the problem in this close of a game.
Tatum's arm was extended and pushing off Pope at the same time. Why are you ignoring this?
 

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ESPN headline: "LeBron comes up clutch late."

Yeah, he hit a tough fadeaway, after:

1. He bricked the eight-zillionth clutch FT of his career
2. AD went over the back on the bricked FT, a play that happens all the time, and almost always go to the other team, even if they were technically the ones who touched it last
3. AD tipped the ball out of bounds
4. A ten-minute review showed AD tipped the ball out of bounds
5. The ball was given back to Lakers
#2 has probably been the worst effect of replay since it started in the NBA. Everyone had an agreement that you can go over the back and the refs won’t call a foul but they will give the ball to the team with inside position 100% of the time and you don’t get to complain about it.
 

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It was obvious hyperbole. Replay showed the clear foul but no I don't agree about the refs garbage down the stretch part as I posted above with the exception of the Brad T. They are required to go to replay in the final 2 minutes on those plays where there isn't certainty and we needed multiple super slo-mo's to see whose fingertip the ball went off.
we didn’t need slo mo to see that Davis went over the back—you saw that live just like I did!

What’s bad about it is that you only need the slo mo (and I agree it was ridiculously specific relay, though one that ultimately yielded a clear picture Davis touched it last) if you ignore the obvious foul. That’s why I’m upset about it. if the blatant foul wasn’t at the start of the sequence your point it is all toss-up calls would be closer to my view. But the sequence started with a blown call you could easily see live!
 

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the out of bounds play was clearly incorrect—both on the foul that went uncalled and the last to touch. You can’t dispute that, can you? Even if Theis fouled Davis it’s well after Davis committed the initial foul...that’s what makes it so bad. That was biggest call in the game and badly blown.

The Tatum-Pope play was closer, I think you’d rarely see Tatums contact called and usually would see Pope’s called because it interfered with Tatum’s ability to get to the ball. But that one is not nearly as egregious.

The last play was just comical—which is why players on both teams were laughing at it. But it didn’t matter.

the T on Stevens was obviously a joke
1. Meh, game speed very close. I could see it going either way. They choose neither and allowed the play to continue.

2. Tatum-Pope was a foul on both but like the Davis play they allowed it to play out. I don't see how you can call a foul there and if you do it's 50-50 as to who the foul is on.

3. The last play IMO was the "most correct" call after seeing the replay. I don't know how this can even be disputed but it is a Celtics fans board so I get that.

4. Agreed on the Brad T.
 

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1. Meh, game speed very close. I could see it going either way. They choose neither and allowed the play to continue.

2. Tatum-Pope was a foul on both but like the Davis play they allowed it to play out. I don't see how you can call a foul there and if you do it's 50-50 as to who the foul is on.

3. The last play IMO was the "most correct" call after seeing the replay. I don't know how this can even be disputed but it is a Celtics fans board so I get that.

4. Agreed on the Brad T.
The Davis rebound one simply isn’t close—watch a replay. He climbs up Browns back and literally knocks his upper body over. There is no interpretation of the rules that isn’t a foul.

I get that when you have 5 inches on a guy refs pause and wonder if it was clean. But that one wasn’t
 

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1. Romeo's layup was goaltended.
2. Ball went off AD's pinky.
3. Jaylen was not out of bounds.
3 was incredible. He blew the whistle while staring at someone’s beer. Just complete incompetence.
 

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Refs aside, the Celtics missed more than a couple open layups which cost them. Result aside, this team is proving itself each and every night now that they are a legitimate contender to come out of the East and possibly win a championship. Tatum/Walker/Brown/Tatum/Theis/Smart/Hayward is a very, very good top 7 and can match it with any team in the NBA size or no size.

Spring at TD Garden is going to be fucking fun.
Tatum is good but not good enough to go 4 on 5
 

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Tatum was a god. Theis played well. Jaylen was good defensively, but was too quiet on offense. Smart was a bit off his game, Hayward was MIA in the fourth, and Kanter sucked, as did Wanamaker. I've got no complaints re: Langford; he did fine.

It'll be good to get R. Williams back for games like this, where we're up against a lot of length.
 

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The Davis rebound one simply isn’t close—watch a replay. He climbs up Browns back and literally knocks his upper body over. There is no interpretation of the rules that isn’t a foul.

I get that when you have 5 inches on a guy refs pause and wonder if it was clean. But that one wasn’t
Also it's consistently called OOB for the team who is boxing out all of the time in the NBA..even if there was a little touch. I think there's less/any evidence to show it went off Brown which is also frustrating. The original call should have been C's ball and they could have overturned it to give it to the Lakers.. the fact that they called it initially for the Lakers made it so they couldn't overturn it when there was so little evidence.

Also, the Jaylen OOB play isn't getting talked about enough either.. that has to be included in the plethora of calls that went the Lakers way. That call also adds to the frustration in a game where every possession was critical.
 

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Tatum's arm was extended and pushing off Pope at the same time. Why are you ignoring this?
Yeah this one was less egregious but Tatum is also trying to maintain balance while going out of bounds..
You're obviously arguing that every call could have gone the Lakers way if you look at it.. the fact that they did is the problem for me.
 

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I dunno man. Seems like the only call that I felt was clearly wrong was the T on Brad.

Jaylen's on LeBron was soft but def came down on his shooting arm. Tatum and Pope going after loose ball with both pushing off was the correct no-call and the offensive foul on Tatum the replay showed was also obvious and correct.
Well, there was also the time they called Jaylen out of bounds when he wasn't, or the goaltend against the LAL that was taken off the board or the ball that was clearly off Davis that wasn't overturned.....

But in a 2 point game, I guess they don't matter much. The last 5 minutes were an abomination. My issue isn't with the refs blowing calls, it's the inconsistency of how they call games. The other night, the teams shot 20 free throws in the 1st half, and then in the 2nd half, when the refs decided to close the gap, the teams combined for 52 free throws. It was like watching two different games from a refereeing standpoint.
 

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Celtics got 11 points out of their bench.
It should never be one guy, but I had such high hopes for Edwards to be a plug-n-play player right from the jump. You just wonder if he can adjust to the speed and length of the pro game, because I thought he'd be impactful immediately for the c's.

That said, him performing at the level some of us thought he would doesn't fix everything. They miss the punch Morris gave them, warts and all.
 

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the thing is 50/50 calls should be called 50/50.

On the road you can understand 60/40

But in the NBA's showcase, between 2 of the best teams in the league, game on the line, we got a 1-way street.
 

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Romeo played solid defense on LBJ when matched up 1on1, even with Lebron trying to go right at him. Very good sign.
 

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the thing is 50/50 calls should be called 50/50.

On the road you can understand 60/40

But in the NBA's showcase, between 2 of the best teams in the league, game on the line, we got a 1-way street.
Basically what it comes down to for me: Can’t have literally ever 50/50 call go against you in tight game and win most times. NBA refs just ruin the entire experience.
 

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The last 3-4 minutes were painful; no flow to the game with all the stoppages. Most of the calls were defensible, even if shown to be wrong on the replay. The two exceptions, IMO, were the call call against Tatum on the out-of-bounds play, and the subsequent technical. The first was just a bad call, but not an egregious one. The technical was egregious; refs really need to learn to suck it up and realize that players are going to react when a close call goes the other way.

The offensive foul against Tatum on the final shot actually helped the Celtics; Tatum clearly was not close to getting the shot off on time.

The C's blew too many possessions at the end of the 4th; credit goes to the Lakers defense there, but the C's should have had more finish. Lack of bench scoring depth did rear its head on this one, especially with Kemba out. But, hey, they have played mano-a-mano with the Western Conference's best this season: they took the Clippers to OT twice, winning once; lost by 2 to the Lakers after beating them convincingly at home; split Denver, losing only by 4 on the road with no Hayward and an injured Kemba; swept Dallas; and have beaten both Memphis and OKC once. Add in the loss to Harden, Westbrook, & the whistles, they are 7-4 agains the best of the West.
 

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bad shooting nights from Brown, Hayward and Smart. Not much from the bench, Wanamaker was awful. and Kemba couldn't pull it out for Team Giannis. Lakers win by 2

The much, much bigger story is Tatum and the leap the Jays are making. By playoff time this team will be at another level. #championshipmaterial
 

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bad shooting nights from Brown, Hayward and Smart. Not much from the bench, Wanamaker was awful. and Kemba couldn't pull it out for Team Giannis. Lakers win by 2

The much, much bigger story is Tatum and the leap the Jays are making. By playoff time this team will be at another level. #championshipmaterial
The missed 4-footer and layup by Hayward were what stuck in my mind after the game. He's close to being "right" but still not quite there.
 

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The missed 4-footer and layup by Hayward were what stuck in my mind after the game. He's close to being "right" but still not quite there.
Talk about your small sample sizes. Guy has generally been great lately but miss a couple of easy shots and that's all anybody cares about.
 

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Talk about your small sample sizes. Guy has generally been great lately but miss a couple of easy shots and that's all anybody cares about.
Hey, I said "stuck in my mind" not "get him outta here!" but, yeah, I fully acknowledge he has been better of late. Last night, a lot of guys did what they had to do and I did not think Hayward did. No big deal as it is only one game.
 

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I missed the first half. Why was Kanter so bad (or was he hurt). I thought Brad used him well in the game here in January, he was basically unstoppable off the bench.