They have said NO on both
but think the rumor is they offered Fox for Simmons and Morey countered w/stapling Harris' albatross of a contract to Ben
He looked awful the other night, but Haliburton is the get
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but think the rumor is they offered Fox for Simmons and Morey countered w/stapling Harris' albatross of a contract to Ben
He looked awful the other night, but Haliburton is the get
Jake Fischer suggests many around the league see things as HRB and I have described---Dallas likely can't sign Brunson absent moving off another material piece--and at least externally Dallas is claiming they can do it all as nighthob suggests. We'll see!
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952819-nba-head-rumor-intel-latest-on-collins-turner-mccollum-grant-more
Yeah, I do not buy that they can sign both unless they know they have someone willing to take THJ and/or Bullock and Powell. One... sure, just means paying some tax for a bit, but both? That's a lot of tax.
Paying ANY tax has clearly been eliminated from the Mavs budget under the last two CBA’s. Could this change? Sure…..but there is no evidence of it doing so with all signs pointing toward what their business strategy has been recently.
Maybe, but also they haven't been good. The Celtics don't pay tax unless they are good, but when they think they are good they will.
Smart teams stay under the tax any time they can so that when they have a top 4 seeded team they can go into the tax for a while without getting crushed on the repeaters.
I look at BOS, they went well into the tax for the ECF teams, but when it became clear the team wasn't a real contender they pulled back.
The Mavs have had similar winning pct each of the last 3 years. The first couple years Cuban purposely got under the tax they had better records than they have now. I see your point but this isn’t a Championship level contender……that boat sailed when this version of Kristaps remained this version of Kristaps.
Both were 7 seeds (actually one was technically a 5, but it was a 3 way tie) and the most recent cap move was also about getting rid of a guy in the last year of his deal that didn't fit (Richardson). I don't think those tell us much (especially with the Pandemic revenue hits included) about how they will manage long term. The Richardson deal in particular seems less like a clear "get under the tax" move than a get out of a mistake without paying a pick (and creating a nice TPE) and open space for young guys like Brunson. I don't think we can say with any certainty that they won't pay tax going forward just because they ducked under it with non-contenders.
Anyway, none of this matters, the Celtics don't have any attractive assets to offer them anyway. Even if Cuban isn't going to pay tax, he won't dump starters for picks while they are in the top 5 of the West unless Luka got a season ending injury. There is no reasonable move for the Celtics to get Brunson.
Cuban made many statements following the 2012-13 season regarding how the tax has changed the game and he hasn’t paid it since. Of course we don’t know what Cuban’s plans are moving forward but unless there is a seismic shift in his philosophy it’s pretty clear that he won’t be paying a tax next season or beyond.
What is their strategy/plan? Are they expecting to play both of them together? Because Haliburton looks good. You'd think there's be an opportunity to sell off the expensive guy and build with the younger player since they seem to be in blow it up mode, anyway.
Depends if anyone wants the expensive guy. He likes playing for Sacramento so that's not an issue.
The Kings are currently tied for the most consecutive seasons under .500, with 15 straight going back to 06/07. Barring one of the most unbelievable finishes in history this will be 16 straight. The team they are currently tied with? Also the Kings, from 83/84 through 97/98. Assuming they have any kind of coherent plan is far too kind.
I wish that the cost for Haliburton would be less if we took on Buddy. It probably isn't low enough still, but that's what I'd be asking.
The C's could use both players so that would be pretty great. Buddy Hield isn't special but he can hit a 3. He'd be useful as far as salary dumps go.
They need to move Barnes and Hield as soon as they can. You can wait on the Fox decision unless it's an amazing haul.
I'd love Barnes and he's on a decreasing contract. 1 more year after this.
Any word what the asking price is for him? I'm guessing he'd get at least a 1st rounder? I'd trade the C's pick, top 10 protected.
Any word what the asking price is for him? I'm guessing he'd get at least a 1st rounder? I'd trade the C's pick, top 10 protected.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265579/Hawks-Looking-For-First-Round-Pick-And-Starter-for-John-Collins
Great!
Horford + a 1st gets us 2BIGz that I could get behind
I'd attach more, whatever it took. Collins can shoot
Great!
Horford + a 1st gets us 2BIGz that I could get behind
I'd attach more, whatever it took. Collins can shoot
I'm way more interested in Barnes than Hield, but figured that Barnes would definitely cost more.
Obviously Haliburton is a great fit for what we need too.
I doubt they see Horford as a starter and I'm not sure he's a fit anyway. I'd guess Smart, filler and a 1st would get it done.https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265579/Hawks-Looking-For-First-Round-Pick-And-Starter-for-John-Collins
Great!
Horford + a 1st gets us 2BIGz that I could get behind
I'd attach more, whatever it took. Collins can shoot
edit: problem is, they don't have much filler.
Collins and one of Gallinari/Bogdan for Horford, Smart and a 1st rounder works. Wouldn't be much of a salary increase for next season and after that, Collins makes about 6 mil more a year than Smart.
Get it done Theo.https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265579/Hawks-Looking-For-First-Round-Pick-And-Starter-for-John-Collins
Great!
Horford + a 1st gets us 2BIGz that I could get behind
I'd attach more, whatever it took. Collins can shoot
A possible problem with Collins is he's a below average passer. Still, if the asking price is a starter and a 1st rounder... tempting. Especially since he isn't a max player.
yea. We'd still sorely need that distributor but
Rob/Collins/Tatum/Brown all signed long term gets them closer to a 2023 run & beyond
There are so many other teams that can offer up a starter, filler and a 1st though. Apparently the Mavs and Spurs are in on him. Hawks were asking about Derrick White.
From the article I posted in the NBA transaction thread.
PBS must read this board. I've been saying Smart for Huerter for 2 years now. It makes so much sense. Maybe somehow get Huerter and Collins?
But why woudn't the Celts just trade two 2nds for Schroder
Gallo is pretty similar to Horford in value. And that is not positive value at their contract. So maybe ATL would do that swap, but can't see them moving Bogdan in that deal though.
Don't think you can lump Gallo and Bogdan in a similar tier.
Gallo is pretty similar to Horford in value. And that is not positive value at their contract. So maybe ATL would do that swap, but can't see them moving Bogdan in that deal though.
Collins and Huerter for Smart, JRich, Bol Bol and a 1st round pick works too.
So many possibilities if the price for Collins is that low.
So many possibilities if the price for Collins is that low.
I would note, people are leaving out a key qualifier in that Collins report:
it was a "valuable" 1st round pick, so presumably not just anybody's 1st would do it.
POR unprotected... yeah sure.
A playoff team's 1st... probably not.
Edit- also you're going to have a lot of opinions on what a starter quality player is.
For example, could I see ATL going to DET for Grant and a 1st... yep. Would Horford count as a starter quality player... probably not, I assume the guy has to be either very good, young and pretty good, or pretty good and cheap long term, or some combination thereof.
it was a "valuable" 1st round pick, so presumably not just anybody's 1st would do it.
POR unprotected... yeah sure.
A playoff team's 1st... probably not.
Edit- also you're going to have a lot of opinions on what a starter quality player is.
For example, could I see ATL going to DET for Grant and a 1st... yep. Would Horford count as a starter quality player... probably not, I assume the guy has to be either very good, young and pretty good, or pretty good and cheap long term, or some combination thereof.
This would address PG:
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/1/27/22903026/celtics-nuggets-trade-monte-morris-perfect-fit
Boston: Monte Morris, Green +2nd
Denver: Schroder, Nesmith, Langford
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/1/27/22903026/celtics-nuggets-trade-monte-morris-perfect-fit
Boston: Monte Morris, Green +2nd
Denver: Schroder, Nesmith, Langford
I'd much rather Hollinger's deal and then find the tax relief elsewhere, because Nesmith and Romeo for Green essentially sounds terrible to me, he's pretty washed and his shot is gone again.
For example, I'd do Hollinger's pair of 2nds, taking Morris into the TT exception. Maybe throw in Nesmith and Bruno (salary dump) if I had to.
Then move Schroder to a contender for a pair of 2nds, or maybe 1 second and they eat Bruno.
Move a 2nd with Bol Bol to OKC if I really need to dodge the tax.
Agreed
chose the less advantageous one to avoid the roast. Don't really care about Green since I'm a Granite believer
would be fine with Brad getting aggressive (Romeo/Nesmith) with MM
I like Morris, that just feels like an overpay. I think they should pick one of Nesmith/Romeo (I would prefer it be Romeo) to keep and let one go. This team could use one young guy on the wing for development, they just aren't likely to have room for both long term. I feel like Romeo has really improved after the injury ravaged start. He's a very good NBA defender right now, and his shot isn't good yet, but it's improved as well.
Yea, AN/RL are equal value in my eyes with the extra year of dev/control of AN. BUT I'm fine with Brad moving either or both if it adds the PG/ballhandler of the future. They have plenty of developing youngsters on the roster (2-way/Europe/PP/Grant). Heck, even Tatum is still developing.
Monte Morris strikes me as a guy that would get the JAYs going and not get caught up in "my turn" shooting. I'm also really biased towards A/TO point guards like MM or Tyus Jones that can hold their own shooting wise
Monte Morris and Justin Holiday are at best a tiny upgrade on Schroder. Color me unexcited with those moves
Trading AN seems like selling really low at this point, he probably had more value at the end of last season. But, I agree with you - our biggest need is PG.
At this point, not sure Romeo has too much more room to grow. If he's not explosive enough to be able to get to the basket, he's never going to be more than a D and (sort of) 3 guy. That said, maybe his inability to get to the basket is that he hasn't tried enough. But, explosiveness is not something one can really learn, right?
The best part of Bogdanovic is his name (his name literally translates as “Bogdan son of Bogdan”).
Agreed. This also highlights a problem with the search for a distributor. We have a basically average pg in Schroder and an above average overall player with a close to average offensive pg skill set in Smart. To upgrade offensively at the point, the team cannot be shopping in the castoff/bargain aisle.
I don't think Romeo lacks explosiveness, I think he's tentative and doesn't commit to getting to the rim.
I think his DARKO comps are interesting. First hundred games comps for DPM are: DIllon Brooks, Danny Fortson, PJ HAirston, Jared Jeffries and Tony Snell (all but Fortson were a decent amount behind Romeo at the 90-100 games mark) Box DPM adds Bruce Brown, Stauskas and Jamal Crawford.
I think Romeo is a good defender now, he has some real 3pt potential (DARKO 3pt comps are: Lonzo Ball, Keyon Dooling, Grant Williams, Jason Richardson, Quentin Richardson) I see his path to a long term NBA contributor pretty easily, he has the D, the 3 is coming along, he's a decent secondary handler, he has in the past shown some ability to get fouled. That's a solid rotation guy, and one benefit is he can guard PG, which is a spot a lot of the good 3 and D guys can't. I'd rather a bench guy who can guard 1-3 (most 3s at least) than guys who guard 3/4 (and some 2s).
Nesmith... I just don't see it, he has a lot of energy, but he can't defend, his shot is missing, he doesn't really do anything at an NBA level yet. Now he has an extra year of control, but... he's only played 15 less games than Romeo, and he's miles behind him as a player.
It’s hard to make deals when you don’t have much to offer and don’t have cap space.
I think Morris is a pretty significant upgrade. He;s the better player, he's younger and you get him for 3 years instead of 1. And he's a better fit for the role of backup PG on a team with scoring wings
Nesmith and Langford were born about a week apart, didn't realize that until I just looked it up.
I agree that Langford has a lot of potential in being able to guard the opposing team's PG, even if he's not much of one himself. I just wish he could provide more on the offensive end besides standing in the corner. At least his 3 pt shot has gotten better. I think Nesmith's is there - he just hasn't gotten the reps.
Morris is an ideal 3rd guard best utilized against second units and being a guy who can score on yours. If he’s your starting PG you are immediately looking for an upgrade as he’s losing the PG matchup on most nights.
Which makes him to me a better fit for us that Schroder who is a similar player but whose skills fit less. Morris can shoot 3s and pass. He's your backup, but he'll be a much better fit for those half and half units with Tatum and TL where he'll get them better shots than Schroder would, and he'll stretch the floor as well.
I couldn’t agree more. That doesn’t help us move forward though. It assures that we remain in purgatory.
I disagree, it's an upgrade for little cost, and it's the type of upgrade that helps make other guys on the roster better. A solid rotation player who has skills your roster is just vacant of does a lot to improve an underperforming team, and makes you more flexible in upgrading the 3rd/4th player spots. PGs can have an outsized impact on a roster, same with rim protecting bigs.
Not making any moves because you're shooting for a homerun every time is how Danny fucked this roster up to begin with, just hording assets until he was dumping draft picks and young players left and right for roster issues.
+1. PBS made small, clever moves this offseason. It sounds like Brad is turning every rock over.
MM is exactly the type of player you look to add while moving Schroder if the trade assets are similar (due to $$$, not talent).
Player fit is the most important thing when building around JAYRob. Schroder isn't a great fit (has no LT value). A younger, locked up on cheap deal, efficient PG that looks to distribute and values the ball. It's the same with Brunson or Tyus Jones, would love to see them acquired if possible, but they will be UFA's at seasons end
People flash +/- per 100 poss. around here all the time. Anyone care to look that up for MM, while he's been starting for the 6th ranked team in the West this season?
+7.4 / +15.1
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrimo01.html
Bol Bol would have plus numbers playing with Jokic lol. Why would Denver be looking to move Morris?
Morris is a completely different profile of player. Low usage, Low turnovers, not high assis rate but high assists to usage ratio, can shoot. Some of that is probably playing on a team where the offense runs through Jokic. Hard to project him over to C's except to say we could use the shooting.