16 Days in January—Determining Trade Deadline Activity

Cesar Crespo

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I dunno, Strus is hitting 2.6 3’s a game at a .420 clip. Pretty sure the C’s could use that:
Yeah, look at his last 10 games or so. We couldn't use that at all. Maybe the correct move would have been to keep Green and Strus, not Semi. Green is doing pretty well himself this year.

But that's beside the point. The C's had both Green and Strus, they both were very cheap. Those players are available.
 

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Cesar, I'm trying to understand where you are coming from and I don't get it.

Yeah, Semi was "irrelevant" in the sense that he was a fungible player. Most second rounders are irrelevant in that way. Paul Reed is irrelevant. Jericho Simms is irrelevant.

But a team has to cover almost 20,000 minutes in an NBA regular season with a 15-man roster and a $136 million salary cap. Semi is on the Bucks now (not in Europe, not on the street), because he can soak up some minutes with okay NBA-level play. Milwaukee thinks Semi is worth $1.7 million this year. Sure, the Celts could have cut Semi and signed someone else to do Semi things, but Semi was on a second round contract (four years, $6.05 million, partially guaranteed) so Semi's theoretical replacement would need to fill 15 minutes per game with replacement-level 3-and-d...for under $1.5 million per year.

I mean, 15 minutes per game of 3-and-d.... Ryan Arcidiacono will give you that--for $3 million per season. Ty Jerome will charge you $2.4 million per year.

An NBA team that can get advantageous production relative to cost from those back end roster spots can pick up an extra win here or there. Maybe that leads to making the playoffs, or a higher seed. Maybe it is irrelevant. For all the talk of the Celtics getting a "third star," there is no way to accumulate difference-makers at the top of the roster unless the team creates some value by covering those thousands of non-star minutes as cheaply as possible. He wasn't a huge win, but he was a good pick.

I can't believe I constructed a whole post about the value of Semi Ojeleye. I cursed him so many, many times.
Poor Semi - all by his lonesome here at the bottom of EPM-land. Like a cheap roll of paper towel, Semi's minutes soaking utility may be very short lived.

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It mattered in the sense that it gave you a low rotation player for cheap, which helped clear cap space for Hayward and then later Kemba. Getting minutes from 2nd rounders is always really good because it makes it easier to get and keep stars with cap rules. Getting value out of your picks and signings is incredibly important in the top heavy world of the NBA, because every $ you save, and every cheap guy with positive value you have to move in trade gets you a step closer to having the 3 or so top level players you need to contend.
It's exactly why Freedom is good value at vet min. He's efficient in short stints against specific matchups. Pretty much what you hope for from 11-15 on the roster.

Grant isn't a JAG and the adv metrics don't "hate" him
off/def rtg 123 / 109
BPM 0
VORP .4
2.2 WS
20th in 3pt FG%/ top 10 in Corner3s
eFG 62%

People can go look up the other advanced stats if they think he sucks.

And anyone bitchin' about Grant, because he put up 6pts against the Pacers in 2 games, isn't paying attention. GWill was tasked with guarding Sabonis for a lot of his 50 mins. Sabonis, their only All-Star and the one threat to upend the Celtics scored 11pts in 44mins in Game 1 and 17pts in the blowout. Defensive versatility matters quite a bit in a switch everything scheme.

Granite is very good value at his salary level/controllable status
 

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As always I'm going to say the same thing.....
There is a reason those guys shot like garbage here, and shot well elsewhere. Bench shooting is highly dependent on teammates.

Also... Ime wasn't going to play those guys anyway.
 

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Yeah, look at his last 10 games or so. We couldn't use that at all. Maybe the correct move would have been to keep Green and Strus, not Semi. Green is doing pretty well himself this year.

But that's beside the point. The C's had both Green and Strus, they both were very cheap. Those players are available.
They were also worthless players when the Cs had them 3 years ago. Like actually worthless, not like you think Semi was worthless.
 

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Agreed. that was a blunder by Brad/IME.

Mathews and Parker ended up costing ~ the same this season & Houston has control of Mathews for the following 3 seasons at a total cost of $6MM.
How many preseason games did Matthews end up playing for the C's? I don't recall him standing out one way or the other.
 

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How many preseason games did Matthews end up playing for the C's? I don't recall him standing out one way or the other.
he was injured for most of it, but preseason is irrelevant.

Look at Mathews last season. He started 24 games for a playoff team. Younger and worlds better defender than Jabari Parker
Plus the team entered the season needing 3pt shooting

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mathega01.html
 

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he was injured for most of it, but preseason is irrelevant.

Look at Mathews last season. He started 24 games for a playoff team. Younger and worlds better defender than Jabari Parker
Plus the team entered the season needing 3pt shooting

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mathega01.html
Jabari made the team so he could get cut to open a roster spot in December. Matthews was in the fight for Brodric Thomas's two-way slot. They went thomas because they were short on PGs I think.
 

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Semi wasn't a waste of a roster spot. He actually contributed in the roster spot hierarchy that he occupied. Keeping Javonte Green cost Strus the roster spot. And, seriously, Strus isn't exactly a big difference maker anyway.
Keeping Strus probably wouldn't have mattered since he got injured that season.
 

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Jabari made the team so he could get cut to open a roster spot in December. Matthews was in the fight for Brodric Thomas's two-way slot. They went thomas because they were short on PGs I think.
Cutting Jabari will cost basically the same as Mathews this season

Mathews turned down a 2-way offer from Brad

Broderic Thomas wasn't on the preseason roster, and signed a day after Mathews left the team

Mathews never was in the Celtics camp for a 2-way, he was only there to vie for the 15th spot. Brad/IME went with the veteran (Jabari)

It's not a needle mover, but the team has done a poor job at the end of the roster over the last few years



President of basketball operations Brad Stevens will continue to search for a player to fill the team’s second two-way slot, which remains vacant after the final camp cuts. Mathews turned down the two-way spot, as he is still holding out hope for a full NBA deal elsewhere, per sources. Mathews returned home to Nashville and will assess other opportunities around the league but does not plan to head overseas.

One factor in Mathews’ decision was that Boston is unlikely to convert a two-way player into a full contract this season because of their tax situation, according to a player source. Mathews fills a similar role to the team’s other two-way player, Sam Hauser, so he determined his best course of action is to seek at least a two-way deal with a team that has a clearer pathway to the full roster this season.
 
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One factor in Mathews’ decision was that Boston is unlikely to convert a two-way player into a full contract this season because of their tax situation, according to a player source. Mathews fills a similar role to the team’s other two-way player, Sam Hauser, so he determined his best course of action is to seek at least a two-way deal with a team that has a clearer pathway to the full roster this season.
hmm, interesting, I knew he was in for the 2 way, forgot he turned it down.

Turned out he was wrong though, he couldn't get a full deal, but right that HOU was likely to convert a 2 way guy, which they did, and we wouldn't.
I don't think Jabari was ever in competition with Mathews, he got paid a bonus to re-structure (which allowed the to push back his guarantee if I remember), so bringing in Mathews in Jabari's spot would have cost more. Now, obviously if they knew Mathews would shoot like he has (and that Nesmith would fall off a cliff) they might have done it anyway and eaten the cap hit and found another way to clear a roster spot/cap space.

Edit- it was actually tiered guarantees, and if the number I see floating around is right, they 100% should have cut him before the season started and gone with someone else (like Mathews). I guess maybe they needed to see Grant play the 4 decently first they felt? But just seems a waste, he stinks, Kanter does the offense only big thing better.

Clear misstep.
 

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They could have had Garrison Matthews for dirt cheap this year.
Matthews was signed off the scrap heap and handed minutes on a tanking lottery team who doesn’t even pretend to defend. There is no reason to believe he’d have any more role in this organization than Hauser as neither players style fits with how Ime wants to play. There is a reason he was let go prior to the season.
 

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Matthews was signed off the scrap heap and handed minutes on a tanking lottery team who doesn’t even pretend to defend. There is no reason to believe he’d have any more role in this organization than Hauser as neither players style fits with how Ime wants to play. There is a reason he was let go prior to the season.
Nah, it was a very small whiff by Brad (he still had a good summer last year).
Mathews was decent the prior season with the Wizards and made more sense than Jabari Parker, whose style never pass/no defense really doesn't mesh with IME's approach. But they went with the Vet, it happens. Early in Brad's coaching tenure, they did a nice job of adding end of the roster/fringe players from other teams and turning them into something (Jae Crowder being the shining example). They haven't turned their end of the roster into anything productive for years now.

BUT all of that is kind of irrelevant. This is what a team looks like after numerous years of bad NBA free agency + a rookie Head Coach thrown into the mix.

I'm not sure any trade is smart right now with the system they have in place. Players across the roster are underperforming, is it ALL on them or is IME's system flawed? Feels like a combination of both.
 

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If he was here shooting .420 from three the board would be bitching that he doesnt shoot enough and his game has numerous flaws.
Strus is 12th in 3 pt % and 29th in 3 pts made per game. Isn’t that exactly what we’ve been saying the team needs? Of course, teams miss on guys but the C’s have been missing a lot lately and it’s a big reason why the team has declined so much. Even more frustrating when the back of roster is filled with useless players.
 

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I 100% agree with the take that Strus/Mathews were small misses by the Celtics and that Ime likely wouldn’t play them much so they would really matter even if they were here.
 

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Of course, teams miss on guys but the C’s have been missing a lot lately and it’s a big reason why the team has declined so much. Even more frustrating when the back of roster is filled with useless players.
The reason the Cs have declined so much is that they went from Kyrie, prime Horford, Hayward and two promising guys on rookie contracts to the Jays and TL.b When the Jays pop, they can play with anyone but the problem is - like most young non-generational talents - is consistency. That's why it would be great to get a third star who might be able to hold the fort down on the days when JT and JB don't have it (hopefully those come fewer and farther between as they mature).

The Cs have drafted ok. No home runs of course (though TL is probably a solid double). They've gotten some guys who should be in the NBA for a while which is great for the GM evaluations but doesn't really help move them towards a championship.

At this point, the Cs will go as far as the Jays take them. 14-35 with 12 TOs and at least a few missed defensive assignments will not take them far.
 

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Matthews was signed off the scrap heap and handed minutes on a tanking lottery team who doesn’t even pretend to defend. There is no reason to believe he’d have any more role in this organization than Hauser as neither players style fits with how Ime wants to play. There is a reason he was let go prior to the season.
Yeah, that reason being they fucked up.
 

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The reason the Cs have declined so much is that they went from Kyrie, prime Horford, Hayward and two promising guys on rookie contracts to the Jays and TL.b When the Jays pop, they can play with anyone but the problem is - like most young non-generational talents - is consistency. That's why it would be great to get a third star who might be able to hold the fort down on the days when JT and JB don't have it (hopefully those come fewer and farther between as they mature).

The Cs have drafted ok. No home runs of course (though TL is probably a solid double). They've gotten some guys who should be in the NBA for a while which is great for the GM evaluations but doesn't really help move them towards a championship.

At this point, the Cs will go as far as the Jays take them. 14-35 with 12 TOs and at least a few missed defensive assignments will not take them far.
Bingo.

There was a reason Danny pursued Gordon Hayward as hard as he did. And put Hayward on this Celtics team and it looks a lot better. It's a shame we only got to see a glimpse of a healthy Hayward: 52 games in the 2020 CoVid season, before he got hurt in the playoffs. His departure was a huge and probably underrated loss here.

The Celtics don't have the roster to compete with the 76'ers, Bucks, Bulls, Heat, or Nets on a night-in, night-out basis. They may periodically pull of an inspired win against any one of them, and can, when playing well, certainly beat up on the bad-to-mediocre teams. But there is a talent problem on this roster, and it has nothing to with Max Strus or Garrison Matthews, nor would those players fix what is really wrong.

The moves Stevens made basically allowed the team to tread water this season and add some payroll flexibility for next. Kemba, Fournier, Thompson, et al, have all regressed this season, as expected. But Brown, Tatum, TL, and Smart basically results a 0.500 roster, and that is what we've seen over the past 2 season. Longer term, the first 3 players all still have upside growth potential, and the 4th has a few years left before he enters the decline phase, although he does remain an injury risk in my eyes. So the future to being truly competitive with the true contenders means adding a 3rd borderline All Star (or better) player.

Wyc's #1 priority will be getting under the tax line this season, so Stevens will be forced to oblige. A lottery pick would not be the worst outcome when it comes to the long term goal. But Stevens and Ime cannot just tank either (nor do I think they should), so it will be interesting, and, to some extent, unpredictable.
 

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The reason the Cs have declined so much is that they went from Kyrie, prime Horford, Hayward and two promising guys on rookie contracts to the Jays and TL.b When the Jays pop, they can play with anyone but the problem is - like most young non-generational talents - is consistency. That's why it would be great to get a third star who might be able to hold the fort down on the days when JT and JB don't have it (hopefully those come fewer and farther between as they mature).

The Cs have drafted ok. No home runs of course (though TL is probably a solid double). They've gotten some guys who should be in the NBA for a while which is great for the GM evaluations but doesn't really help move them towards a championship.

At this point, the Cs will go as far as the Jays take them. 14-35 with 12 TOs and at least a few missed defensive assignments will not take them far.
Yea it's JAYs team and they sucked again.

Something we should probably start incorporating in on Celtic "draft analysis" is "young player development". Teams like Miami, Memphis, Denver, Toronto, etc have been good at "developing" young raw players for years while the team is improving/being competitive. Those teams have also turned undrafted rookies, G-League players, or other teams end of the bench fodder into NBA players. It's critically important to develop those young players since those are the assets (besides draft picks) needed to acquire the 3rd star.

The best part of last night's game was the last 9 minutes of Pritchard (pathetic that garbage time was the most interesting). I doubt we'll see any real young player development with IME's Bataan Death March of his vets. This will make it that much harder for Brad this summer to score the 3rd star
 

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The reason the Cs have declined so much is that they went from Kyrie, prime Horford, Hayward and two promising guys on rookie contracts to the Jays and TL.b When the Jays pop, they can play with anyone but the problem is - like most young non-generational talents - is consistency. That's why it would be great to get a third star who might be able to hold the fort down on the days when JT and JB don't have it (hopefully those come fewer and farther between as they mature).

The Cs have drafted ok. No home runs of course (though TL is probably a solid double). They've gotten some guys who should be in the NBA for a while which is great for the GM evaluations but doesn't really help move them towards a championship.

At this point, the Cs will go as far as the Jays take them. 14-35 with 12 TOs and at least a few missed defensive assignments will not take them far.
C's draft history since 2014 probably falls into the "amazing" category, but the last 3 years have been pretty meh. It also took awhile to get returns on TL so it feels like longer.

2nd's are a free roll. Teams don't get punished for missing but get rewarded for hitting. I'll post the 2nds for completion sake.

2014
6: Smart Can't complain
17: Young Bust

2015
16: Rozier Great pick, but the C's got little value from Rozier.
28: Hunter Bust
2nds: Thornton, Mickey washed out.

2016:
3rd: Jaylen Brown: Homerun
16: Yabu: Bust C's were stuck with 2 1st round picks they couldn't roll over or get value for so they had to take draft and stash players. Wonder if this will happen to OKC.
23: Zizic: Bust See Yabu
2nds: Deyonta Davis, Rade Zagorac. Demetrius Jackson. The first 2 were traded for the pick that became Thybulle. Jackson washed.

2017:
3rd: Tatum: Home Run
2nds: Ojeleye, Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird. Pretty good. Ojeleye sucks but he's still in the NBA 5 years later. Kadeem Allen stuck for 3. Jabari Bird looked promising but pissed away his chance.

2018:
27: Time Lord: Normally this would be a home run pick but the 2018 draft was stacked so it becomes merely a triple. He's the 10-12th best player in that draft.

In a 5 year period and 9 first round picks, they landed a franchise player (Tatum), a perennial all star (Jaylen), an all defensive player (Smart), and 2 30+ minute starters (Rozier, TL). TL isn't quite a finished product yet either, so it' possible he could end up being a fringe all star type/all defensive player type. They also drafted 4 busts, but they all came outside of the lottery. 2 of those were reaches, due to the draft and stash predicament. Though, in that same draft, he did manage to turn 2 2nd rounders (Deyonta/Rade) into a future first. Young was a promising pick with a sweet looking shot that didn't work out. The RJ Hunter pick I never understood. Still, all in all, that's a HUGE haul for 9 picks in a 5 year period. It would be interesting how different this team would look had they just kept Rozier.

A++ if they had kept Rozier, A+ since the didn't.

Since then... ugh. It hurts even more because of the loss of talent (Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, Morris, Rozier)
2019:
14: Romeo Langford: N/A I'm not exactly @radsoxfan, but I'm not a Romeo Fan either. He's still young but in his 3rd year and hasn't really shown much improvement in the grand scheme of things. Ime has stopped using him outside garbage time. I'd call it a disappointing pick, though it's probably not far off from expected value.
20: Matisse Thybulle: Good pick but he was traded for Edwards and Jerome, which was awful. I love me some Thybulle but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit on the C's, though maybe he'd fit in well with the Jays. I believe the C's picked Thybulle for another team so they only picked him in technicality.
22: Grant Williams: Ok to good pick. I think he's limited and will always struggle in certain situations, but is good enough to play 20-25 minutes a night and is no longer a situational player. Still, hard to get that excited about Grant Williams.
24: Ty Jerome: C's basically just rolled over their pick to the next year, trading Jerome to the Suns for the pick that would become Desmond Bane. Think they picked him for the Suns.
2nd rounders: Waters, Edwards: Busts.

2020:
14: Aaron Nesmith: N/A. I'm not ready to call it a disappointing pick but the early going has not been promising. He doesn't have the injury excuse that Langford has either. At least the effort is there and the shot looks good, even if it hasn't been falling.
26: Payton Pritchard: Ok to good pick. He's a limited player but his one strength happens to be the most valuable skill in the NBA. He should be playing more, and he had been prior to Covid.
30: Desmond Bane: Home run pick, but picked for another team. Excellent 3 point shooter, starting and producing for a 30-15 team.
2nds: Yam Madar: N/A. He looks like a 3rd PG type and will probably have an NBA career of some sort. Even if it's just a handful of games.

2021:
1st: Traded in Kemba/Al.
2nds: Begarin. Looks to have Jaylen Brown level athleticism and length. Raw, but is showing some skill this year. I absolutely love the pick even if he never sets foot on an NBA court.


On their own, none of the picks are that bad. It's combined when it becomes disappointing. It's especially so when the team **had** (they didn't) Bane and Thybulle. Begarin hitting his 1-5% outcome would change things very quickly though. RL or AN playing better would too. I can see PP and GW getting better around the margins but not changing the overall opinion of the last 3 years of drafting.

Grade: N/A. Forced to give it a grade: D? D-? Things can change quick though.
 

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Yea it's JAYs team and they sucked again.

Something we should probably start incorporating in on Celtic "draft analysis" is "young player development". Teams like Miami, Memphis, Denver, Toronto, etc have been good at "developing" young raw players for years while the team is improving/being competitive. Those teams have also turned undrafted rookies, G-League players, or other teams end of the bench fodder into NBA players. It's critically important to develop those young players since those are the assets (besides draft picks) needed to acquire the 3rd star.

The best part of last night's game was the last 9 minutes of Pritchard (pathetic that garbage time was the most interesting). I doubt we'll see any real young player development with IME's Bataan Death March of his vets. This will make it that much harder for Brad this summer to score the 3rd star
Remember how we used to like when Danny would give long guaranteed contracts to 2nd rounders to lock them up at cheap value? Maybe that hurt the team in the long run, assuming they were less willing to move off of Semi or Carsen because of their guaranteed money.

And fwiw, Ime did try to develop RL. He gave up at a weird time, but he tried. He's given Grant Williams burn, too. He's been playing PP more of late. I think PP will actually expand the roster to 9-10 player with Kanter.
 

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Yea it's JAYs team and they sucked again.

Something we should probably start incorporating in on Celtic "draft analysis" is "young player development". Teams like Miami, Memphis, Denver, Toronto, etc have been good at "developing" young raw players for years while the team is improving/being competitive. Those teams have also turned undrafted rookies, G-League players, or other teams end of the bench fodder into NBA players. It's critically important to develop those young players since those are the assets (besides draft picks) needed to acquire the 3rd star.

The best part of last night's game was the last 9 minutes of Pritchard (pathetic that garbage time was the most interesting). I doubt we'll see any real young player development with IME's Bataan Death March of his vets. This will make it that much harder for Brad this summer to score the 3rd star
It is tough to separate the difference between draft and development but the Celtics seem be down on the development end. To me they just don’t give much of a chance to the younger guys. Nesmith gets a game or two and if he doesn’t go off he gets buried. People are pining for Strus but his first 4 games from 3 this year were 1/3, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5. If Nesmith did this he would be in witness protection for at least a month.

I don’t know if Nesmith stinks or not but this team is not great and I think for the future they should give him 15 minutes a night, coach him up, and see what happens.
 

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Remember how we used to like when Danny would give long guaranteed contracts to 2nd rounders to lock them up at cheap value? Maybe that hurt the team in the long run, assuming they were less willing to move off of Semi or Carsen because of their guaranteed money.

And fwiw, Ime did try to develop RL. He gave up at a weird time, but he tried. He's given Grant Williams burn, too. He's been playing PP more of late. I think PP will actually expand the roster to 9-10 player with Kanter.
that's fair, IME even gave Nesmith some burn and Aaron failed to step up. For some unknown reason, I keep thinking there is a 40%+ 3pt shooter in there. If they trade him, they will be selling low. I'd rather just roll him out there for 15mpg and take the play-in-game medicine
 
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that's fair, IME even gave Nesmith some burn and Aaron failed to step up. So maybe they didn't draft so well?
He gave Nesmith some burn but not consistent burn. RL got consistent burn for 29 of the C's first 37 games. 7 of those he wasn't available for so 2 DNP.

Seriously, Romeo Langford has no one to blame but himself. He got a chance. On any given game, he probably knew he was going to be playing 15+ minutes.

Aaron Nesmith probably had no clue whether he'd be playing 20 minutes, 5 minutes or not at all. With that said, he did get some burn and did nothing with it. Young players have to earn their minutes by doing well with the minutes they do get.

Clicking their names will bring you to their minute log/game log.

I don't care for Ime and think he does have a bias towards veterans and gives up on young players too quickly, but he does give chances. And he gives 2nd chances. The 2nd chances just take awhile. Not sure if he'll give 3rd chances. The opportunity hasn't arose yet.
 

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I think everyone agrees the C’s need a third star. How to get that guy when you are paying two stars max or close to it $$$ and have little in the way of assets is the obvious challenge. Trade the vets who aren’t part of the future and play the younger guys- either to increase their value in a potential trade (if they play well) or to get in the lottery (if they don’t). Seems like the only real option to me.
 

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I think everyone agrees the C’s need a third star. How to get that guy when you are paying two stars max or close to it $$$ and have little in the way of assets is the obvious challenge. Trade the vets who aren’t part of the future and play the younger guys- either to increase their value in a potential trade (if they play well) or to get in the lottery (if they don’t). Seems like the only real option to me.
And luck, which is always a real option, though not something you build your team around. Maybe the solution is already on the team, he's just in Europe and a couple years away. It's not likely, but the odds have improved since Begarin was drafted.

This team would probably look a lot different with Desmond Bane, Keldon Johnson, Jordan Poole. Even if they aren't 3rd stars (yet, or ever), they are really good and would have lots of value in trade.

Basically, you don't need to be in the lottery to get a star out of the draft. That's what makes the NBA great. No matter how gloom and doom it looks, it takes one move to change everything.
 

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He gave Nesmith some burn but not consistent burn. RL got consistent burn for 29 of the C's first 37 games. 7 of those he wasn't available for so 2 DNP.

Seriously, Romeo Langford has no one to blame but himself. He got a chance. On any given game, he probably knew he was going to be playing 15+ minutes.

Aaron Nesmith probably had no clue whether he'd be playing 20 minutes, 5 minutes or not at all. With that said, he did get some burn and did nothing with it. Young players have to earn their minutes by doing well with the minutes they do get.

Clicking their names will bring you to their minute log/game log.

I don't care for Ime and think he does have a bias towards veterans and gives up on young players too quickly, but he does give chances. And he gives 2nd chances. The 2nd chances just take awhile. Not sure if he'll give 3rd chances. The opportunity hasn't arose yet.
Meh, to me (and Raptor and DARKO generally agree) Romeo wasn't significantly worse than other guys getting time. Seems weird to punish your young guy for inconsistency by giving his minutes to vets who aren't consistently playing any better.
 

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Brad does an interview with the worthwhile Athletic.

For anyone that cringes at IME's honesty, here is a reminder of some Bradspeak, doing his assessment of everyone being "their best selves":

I think everybody has shown great capability. Especially if you take the best of our top eight or nine rotation players, they’ve all had terrific moments. And really I don’t think you can point to very many of them that you would say haven’t had good, long stretches of really good basketball. But I just think collectively we can play a little bit better. Everybody’s talked about Jayson and Jaylen — and rightfully so, they’re our two best players. I think (Marcus) Smart’s last month and a half has been really good. Dennis and Josh (Richardson) have given us good boosts. Dennis, whether he’s off the bench or whether he’s starting. Al (Horford) hasn’t shot it as well as he wants to, but I think has certainly solidified our defense.

And I think the guy that just keeps ascending, which you could see this coming over the last couple of years — really ever since our practices in the bubble, I thought that’s when he took just a totally different look and step — is Rob Williams. I’m so encouraged by his progress. When people talk about guys that are about the team, guys that only want to win, that usually you know exactly what you’re getting, I think that Rob is at the top of that list. And I think our last six games, since we lost the New York game, he’s been awesome. I usually don’t say that without really looking at it. But those six games I’ve just seen a different level of consistency to his game. He always has made — sometimes I think we overreact, because every team has guys that can do things that make the highlight film, the NBA is pretty special in that regard — but sometimes we all just look at the highlights of what he can do, blocking shots or dunking, whatever, he wasn’t playing as well as that would indicate until the last period of time. And then I just think he’s been awfully, awfully good.


https://theathletic.com/3073974/2022/01/17/brad-stevens-1-on-1-celtics-gm-talks-trade-deadline-dennis-schroders-future-and-evaluating-coach-ime-udoka/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
 

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There are cases where a coach calling out players can be justified.

There is never a case where a GM should call out one of his own players, barring a rather serious disciplinary situation.
 

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From the same interview and regarding potential trades:
If there is a need as far as a very short-term need that we would look to address — and again, you do it either by looking at your bench and figuring out rotation tweaks or you do it by small deals — then that would be something that we’ll certainly look at from a shooting standpoint.
 

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I have changed my position on Schroder

I would trade him for just about anything. He's not a solution for this team short term, you lose no ceiling by moving him
 

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More from Stevens that should help frame trade discussions:

And every decision that we make, the question that we have to ask is, “Does this make sense in this one deal to do to give us the best chance to be in the mix for competing for a banner?” That’s it. That’s the driving force in each one. So each deal would be its own separate entity in that, but at the same time that’s the north star
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My guess is that they aren't going to just move Schroder for a second. If they trade him or anyone else it's going to be for another player or as part of a series of transactions.

None of the quotes in that admittedly light content piece suggest that Stevens thinks fewer NBA caliber players on the roster is a good idea.
 

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Yeah, Schroder being dealt should have absolutely everything to do with building for next year and beyond. He's not been a problem for the Celtics this year. He's been a very nice bargain deal for the season. We as fans have no reason to be unhappy with Schroder. It was a shrewd pick-up and has added some value to the season. It would be better if they could flip him for something of future value but that has nothing to do with his performance. He's solid.
 

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This after Schroder puts up 39 points in the last 2 games, on efficient shooting, with 17 assists and 3 turnovers. Interesting timing.
It was actually before.
1 game doesn't change anything to me. This team isn't going to do anything without a major change, and that change isn't going to be Schroder becoming a different player than he's been almost all of his career. The only way I could see Schroder really mattering to this team is if Smart got traded, but that seems unlikely, so getting future assets is worth more.
 

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265464/Pacers-Looking-For-Two-First-Round-Picks-For-Myles-Turner

Is Pritchard offering 2 firsts to take Turner's contract or asking for 2 firsts?

Watch the Pacers stay put and run this back next season...Turners/Sabonis will work one of these years
Someone tweeted today (forget who, maybe Keith Smith or KOC) that this is the point where every GM is asking for multiple firsts for starters and 1st for rotation guys seeing if someone bites, knowing that they'll get serious in about 2 weeks and take less.
 

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265464/Pacers-Looking-For-Two-First-Round-Picks-For-Myles-Turner

Is Pritchard offering 2 firsts to take Turner's contract or asking for 2 firsts?

Watch the Pacers stay put and run this back next season...Turners/Sabonis will work one of these years
Myles Turner is not the stretch big that we all thought he could be, but he is perhaps the 2nd best defensive center in the league. With one year left after this at 18 million, Pritchard woudl for sure get one first round pick for him. Two may be a stretch, but depending on the protections, it is not completely outrageous.
 

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Myles Turner is not the stretch big that we all thought he could be, but he is perhaps the 2nd best defensive center in the league. With one year left after this at 18 million, Pritchard woudl for sure get one first round pick for him. Two may be a stretch, but depending on the protections, it is not completely outrageous.
I'm the biggest Turner fan on here, and I wouldn't give up a first for him. I'd be surprised if anyone does, nevermind two of them. I suppose a lottery-protected pick would probably be doable for some teams with a real need, but his last couple of years have not been good to his rep. Have we heard any national rumors at all about Turner besides the ones that Pritch clearly leaked this time or during the Heywood TPE talks? If we did, apologies for missing it.