16 Days in January—Determining Trade Deadline Activity

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The fact that Simmons demanded a trade, was traded the day of the trade deadline, and needs "weeks to get into shape and get acclimated" is kinda silly.

Shouldn't he have been working out hard and prepping for this exact moment?

That guy is such a clown. He and Kyrie deserve each other.
He's a professional athlete. Like, being an athlete is literally what he does for a living. He should be in fantastic shape.

That said, there's a big difference between being in workout shape and NBA *game* shape. You can't really be in the latter unless you've been playing in games. But at his age, given his profession, it shouldn't take him that long to get there.
 

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He's a professional athlete. Like, being an athlete is literally what he does for a living. He should be in fantastic shape.

That said, there's a big difference between being in workout shape and NBA *game* shape. You can't really be in the latter unless you've been playing in games. But at his age, given his profession, it shouldn't take him that long to get there.
will we see him on the court in 2 weeks?
@Nets 2/24
@BOS 3/6
 

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so one note on my OKC thing, as others pointed out, they could actually still use that space after the season in the period before the league year turns over, much like how they moved Al for Kemba last year.
 

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If you're worried about SGA wanting out of OKC (and I haven't read any reporting that we're at that point yet), giving him and all of his friends on the team seven-figure checks is pretty good way to convince him to stick out another year of the rebuild.
Do max players get a share of the money to get teams to the salary minimum? Would seem odd to do it - otherwise teams could theoretically get players more than the max that way.
 

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He's a professional athlete. Like, being an athlete is literally what he does for a living. He should be in fantastic shape.

That said, there's a big difference between being in workout shape and NBA *game* shape. You can't really be in the latter unless you've been playing in games. But at his age, given his profession, it shouldn't take him that long to get there.
One certainly could work out hard enough to be in game shape. He would even have an advantage because in a controlled environment he is better able to reduce the risk of injury. He either didn’t really expect to get traded or didn’t care enough to be ready to go.
 

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One certainly could work out hard enough to be in game shape. He would even have an advantage because in a controlled environment he is better able to reduce the risk of injury. He either didn’t really expect to get traded or didn’t care enough to be ready to go.
basically every athlete in every sport talks about how it's almost impossible to get in "game shape" working out.

I also think, it's about getting mentally set, he needs to move to BKN, he needs to work with the mental health professionals. Physically I think he'll come into practice for a while, maybe go to the G-League even, then start on the bench.
 

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As a random side note, what are the odds of two Latvian NBA players (Porzingis and Bertans) being traded for one another?
 

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I like the trade better for the Nets.

I think its great for Philly as well, but I think they need to win in the next two years.
Unquestionably. The Simmons/Harden swap is even to me and then the Nets get Curry too? And picks to move for more veteran role players? I mean the Sixers painted themselves in a corner and did what they had to do to get a year and a half of Harden which is a fine get but the Nets made out like bandits here imo. A win-win as each side maximized their return but Philly pretty much stacked the deck against themselves by loading up their key rival.
 

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He's a professional athlete. Like, being an athlete is literally what he does for a living. He should be in fantastic shape.

That said, there's a big difference between being in workout shape and NBA *game* shape. You can't really be in the latter unless you've been playing in games. But at his age, given his profession, it shouldn't take him that long to get there.
I’m glad you prefaced that bc under virtually no scenario can Simmons be ready to go full NBA game speed after not playing for 9-10 months. It would have been much easier staying in game shape over the summer working out with NBA players but this time of year you don’t have NBA, college or even overseas players to run with so he’s going to be far behind where he’d be at the start of training game. For these reasons I think two weeks is a reasonable amount of time just being around the speed of the game again.
 

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I'm more cynical - I think his "mental health" will be fine now that he got his way
Well, if his mental health was that good he wouldn't have ended up in this position where he felt the need to get his way to begin with.
 

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I’m glad you prefaced that bc under virtually no scenario can Simmons be ready to go full NBA game speed after not playing for 9-10 months. It would have been much easier staying in game shape over the summer working out with NBA players but this time of year you don’t have NBA, college or even overseas players to run with so he’s going to be far behind where he’d be at the start of training game. For these reasons I think two weeks is a reasonable amount of time just being around the speed of the game again.
I also don’t think there is an appetite for Ben’s first games back to be without either Durant or Irving. They’ll probably wait for both to be available.
 

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Unquestionably. The Simmons/Harden swap is even to me and then the Nets get Curry too? And picks to move for more veteran role players?
I think the trade is reasonable from both sides, but I think people are forgetting that Simmons was never playing for the Sixers in the calculus. Even if Simmons/Harden is even (which I don't think it is), it's irrelevant. Simmons didn't play. Harden was pouting but if he wasn't traded I dont think he was sitting out the rest of the season.

The Sixers traded Seth Curry and Andre Drummond for James Harden for their on-court product this season. That's it. A massive upgrade if Harden is remotely close to his typical self.

In an MVP Embiid season, I think Morey did the right thing. Option 2 was waiting until the offseason and essentially punting this season in hopes of a better deal this summer. Not a great plan IMO.
 

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I think the trade is reasonable from both sides, but I think people are forgetting that Simmons was never playing for the Sixers in the calculus. Even if Simmons/Harden is even (which I don't think it is), it's irrelevant. Simmons didn't play. Harden was pouting but if he wasn't traded I dont think he was sitting out the rest of the season.

The Sixers traded Seth Curry and Andre Drummond for James Harden for their on-court product this season. That's it. A massive upgrade if Harden is remotely close to his typical self.

In an MVP Embiid season, I think Morey did the right thing. Option 2 was waiting until the offseason and essentially punting this season in hopes of a better deal this summer. Not a great plan IMO.
both teams won yesterday, the Nets won the future, the rest of the EC teams lost. Milwaukee's life just got a lot harder with Simmons guarding Giannis

TBS/TNT/ESPN won big time, they will be running with the Simmons vs Philly, Harden vs Durant, Morey vs Klutch narratives for years. It already started with Durant, Bron and Barkley during All-Star draft last night
 

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That whole piece was funny. Lebron didn't take Harden at any point either. And when the asked if either of the captains wanted to make any trades before locking in their teams, Lebron said to KD "haven't you made enough trades today" just to tweak him. Good inside baseball shit.
 

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That whole piece was funny. Lebron didn't take Harden at any point either. And when the asked if either of the captains wanted to make any trades before locking in their teams, Lebron said to KD "haven't you made enough trades today" just to tweak him. Good inside baseball shit.
We all know, including Lebron himself, The Decision was a disaster. That out of the way, I am consistently struck by how thoughtful and personable Lebron is. He's just really sophisticated in how he presents himself, what issues he weighs in on, etc. Considering he has been a pro athlete since the age of 18 and esesntially a coddled star since about age 14 it is just impressive how he's managed through it all; would be so easy to have ended up differently. It speaks really well of him, his family, and whoever has helped him get there.

other than the part about picking the Lakers, of course, that is horrible judgment.
 

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We all know, including Lebron himself, The Decision was a disaster. That out of the way, I am consistently struck by how thoughtful and personable Lebron is. He's just really sophisticated in how he presents himself, what issues he weighs in on, etc. Considering he has been a pro athlete since the age of 18 and esesntially a coddled star since about age 14 it is just impressive how he's managed through it all; would be so easy to have ended up differently. It speaks really well of him, his family, and whoever has helped him get there.

other than the part about picking the Lakers, of course, that is horrible judgment.
100% agree and it’s in pretty sharp contrast to KD (especially last night).

I was fine with his statement about Harden (everyone got what they wanted, happy for his brothers) but it always strikes me just how miserable he seems to talk to anyone.

Ernie asked him if he could give an update on how he’s feeling and his timeline, which is about the most innocuous question you can get. KD’s response was “..no”.
There was a second or two of complete awkwardness (if you can find the clip, LeBrons face during this time says it all. It’s a mixture of what the fuck is going on? Did I miss something? Do these guys have beef?) until Ernie finally says “..didn’t think so” and then someone made a joke to cut the tension and move on.
 

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FWIW, I think KD has a schtick he does with the NBA on TNT panel where he gives them monosyllabic/one-word type answers. But then again, its KD so it might not be a bit.
 

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That whole piece was funny. Lebron didn't take Harden at any point either. And when the asked if either of the captains wanted to make any trades before locking in their teams, Lebron said to KD "haven't you made enough trades today" just to tweak him. Good inside baseball shit.
God, I wish KD had come back with something like “and you haven’t made enough”
 

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We all know, including Lebron himself, The Decision was a disaster. That out of the way, I am consistently struck by how thoughtful and personable Lebron is. He's just really sophisticated in how he presents himself, what issues he weighs in on, etc. Considering he has been a pro athlete since the age of 18 and esesntially a coddled star since about age 14 it is just impressive how he's managed through it all; would be so easy to have ended up differently. It speaks really well of him, his family, and whoever has helped him get there.

other than the part about picking the Lakers, of course, that is horrible judgment.
Yeah, I hope it doesn't sound patronizing to say this. But so many people who are famous at a very young age end up pretty screwed up people. You hear about it with the tennis prodigies a lot. Considering that Lebron was on TV from 10th grade or so, he seems pretty damn grounded and well-rounded.

Edit: Of course practically every pro player got a bit of the star treatment as teenagers, but Lebron is unusual. His high school games were on ESPN back when such things didn't happen.