12/12/18 - Cs @ 'Zards Tire Fire Sale

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Celtics were 25-25 from the charity stripe. I love it when that happens.
 

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17-10 now after the 10-10 start and soon to be 18-10 after Friday night against Phoenix. This is the turn around we all hoped for. I can’t wait for the Bucks and Sixers games later this month.
 

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Two meaningful games for Williams. 40 minutes total, 6-10 from the field, 5 blocks, 17 rebounds, one steal, no TOs, lots of contests.
 

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Two meaningful games for Williams. 40 minutes total, 6-10 from the field, 5 blocks, 17 rebounds, one steal, no TOs, lots of contests.
The contests are particularly impressive. I'm guessing we'll see him more once they're comfortable he won't gum up the offense...but his offensive rebounding has to make up for some of that.
 

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This is absurd - what about the other night when they pasted the Pelicans with their bench? They had no bigs tonight after the 3rd quarter except for Williams
What does the other night have to do with tonight? You think Brad coached a good game tonight? Did Baynes get hurt again tonight? Rozier was literally just a body on the floor the last 13 minutes of the game, including overtime. While John Wall just did whatever he wanted, and when he reached the rim, he faced no resistance at all. An offensive board and putback by Oubre in overtime was almost the difference, because we didn't have anyone in there who could get a rebound.

You think the quick foul on Beal with a 3 point lead, while he's facing away from the basket from 30 feet was smart?

Give me a break. Brad was dreadful tonight, and like I said, it's the first time all year I've really questioned him (except for a few other times he insisted on going "small ball" when it was killing them).
 

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He had a rough game, but Rozier did bang a huge three in OT. Once Theis fouled out, Brad went with the vets he has a lot of trust in.
 

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I just rewound it, and watched the overtime again. I still have no idea how MaMo made that tip in. He was literally flying past the hoop and out of bounds, reaches back with his left hand and somehow tips it up and in. That was outrageous.
 

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What does the other night have to do with tonight? You think Brad coached a good game tonight? Did Baynes get hurt again tonight? Rozier was literally just a body on the floor the last 13 minutes of the game, including overtime. While John Wall just did whatever he wanted, and when he reached the rim, he faced no resistance at all. An offensive board and putback by Oubre in overtime was almost the difference, because we didn't have anyone in there who could get a rebound.

You think the quick foul on Beal with a 3 point lead, while he's facing away from the basket from 30 feet was smart?

Give me a break. Brad was dreadful tonight, and like I said, it's the first time all year I've really questioned him (except for a few other times he insisted on going "small ball" when it was killing them).
Baynes was clearly on a minute restriction and not a 100%

Who exactly should play instead of Rozier? Wanamaker? Dozier? Put Williams, a rookie at end of the game who has barely played in the NBA? Not going to happen

You think the instruction was foul no matter what?

Your hot take is absurd
 

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We'll take a road win against a talented (but underperforming) team.

I was praising Rozier earlier, but why does he have to be on the floor with Kyrie? I just don't like the pairing.

I agree with the DeathofBambino, play a TL or Baynes instead of Rozier there and have some rim protection and rebounding.
 

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Baynes was clearly on a minute restriction and not a 100%

Who exactly should play instead of Rozier? Wanamaker? Dozier? Put Williams, a rookie at end of the game who has barely played in the NBA? Not going to happen

You think the instruction was foul no matter what?

Your hot take is absurd
Its a regular season game in December, you could play TL there
 

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We'll take a road win against a talented (but underperforming) team.

I was praising Rozier earlier, but why does he have to be on the floor with Kyrie? I just don't like the pairing.

I agree with the DeathofBambino, play a TL or Baynes instead of Rozier there and have some rim protection and rebounding.
I'm no fan of the Rozier/Kyrie pairing, but it had been playing better of late.

Honestly, it felt like Brad just had a bad game tonight, the way players have bad games. At least the team got some close game experience out of it.
 

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Baynes was clearly on a minute restriction and not a 100%

Who exactly should play instead of Rozier? Wanamaker? Dozier? Put Williams, a rookie at end of the game who has barely played in the NBA? Not going to happen

You think the instruction was foul no matter what?

Your hot take is absurd
First of all, who are you?

Second of all, how do you know Baynes was on a minute restriction?

Third, Williams started the overtime, and he's the only one who stopped Wall from getting to the fucking hoop, and then Brad yanked him.

Fourth, the instruction was foul immediately. Brad just admitted it in the post game, said it was because they had two timeouts and Washington didn't have any, so that was the plan, and they were going to do it again after the C's made their next free throws.

Fifth, learn what a "hot take" is, because it is most certainly not pointing out in a game thread on a message board when a coach or a player has a bad night. But, go waive your pom poms and jerk it to Brad's picture on your ceiling. Don't worry, he'll still be the coach tomorrow. Nobody is calling for him to be fired. That would actually be a hot take.
 

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Put Williams, a rookie at end of the game who has barely played in the NBA? Not going to happen
Yes, he’s clearly looking overwhelmed out there. Williams would be playing consistent bench minutes for almost every other team in the league. It’s not his fault that the Celtics are deeper than the Mariana Trench nor is it a reflection of his readiness for such a situation.
 

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Yes, he’s clearly looking overwhelmed out there. Williams would be playing consistent bench minutes for almost every other team in the league. It’s not his fault that the Celtics are deeper than the Mariana Trench nor is it a reflection of his readiness for such a situation.
I think Williams is great and fully support his playing more because we seriously need an athletic big, but by the same token him not being out there at the end of 4th and OT is not a mortal sin by Stevens. He was a -5 for the game and they were targeting him in the game. He made a good play on Wall late but got burned like 3 possessions in a row earlier.

And he was out for the start of OT to win the tip off
 

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I hate to say it because I don't believe it yet but the slow start may have helped this team in a number of ways. First, it forced Brad and the staff to make some difficult decisions about their rotations. I am not sure they have it all figured out because guys like Brown and Rozier in particular are clearly struggling with their reduced roles even though they are playing better.

Furthermore, it forced guys like Irving, Smart and Morris to step up and become team leaders. If the Jackie Mac article on Brown is accurate, Kyrie and the Agent Of Chaos have bought in, even if it forces them into the uncomfortable position of having to challenge their teammates. And then Irving guts out a tough game tonight and still ends up leading the team to victory.

Finally, the adversity seems to have brought the team together (though only they know and some of their comments from a few weeks ago mean that team chemistry bears watching). From where I sit, the team they were three weeks ago loses this game and perhaps in embarrassing fashion. The current team did not -they won a game with key players out and some of their best remaining guys struggling.

That should put fear into the rest of the league. We are finally witnessing the team we thought we might get and when it is fully realized, they may well have the talent to march through the East, including the Raptors and then give the Warriors hell.

Have I said how much I love Marcus Smart lately?
 

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The contests are particularly impressive. I'm guessing we'll see him more once they're comfortable he won't gum up the offense...but his offensive rebounding has to make up for some of that.
The best thing about TL is after getting beat by Wall 3x to Wall's left, TL made him go right and Wall missed mid-range jumper.

Wall should have done way more with his talent.
 

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"Have I said how much I love Marcus Smart lately?"

Same here on Smart. He's a very different vibe than last year when it looked like his last year in Boston. Now his Dennis Johnson-like toughness and defense is ours for the forseeable future. I also love his starting guard pairing with Kyrie - it's like having two very different-style floor generals out there at the same time. He's still a pretty bad shooter but even there, he's toned down forcing shots during crunch time when better shooters are on the floor,
 

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"Have I said how much I love Marcus Smart lately?"

Same here on Smart. He's a very different vibe than last year when it looked like his last year in Boston. Now his Dennis Johnson-like toughness and defense is ours for the forseeable future. I also love his starting guard pairing with Kyrie - it's like having two very different-style floor generals out there at the same time. He's still a pretty bad shooter but even there, he's toned down forcing shots during crunch time when better shooters are on the floor,
He's a great offensive player, despite being a bad shooter.
 

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I know he hit those incredible 3s in OT and he is definitely capable of superstar plays like that, but I'm just not sure I like Kyrie on this team. Compared to the Pelicans game, it seemed like he brought back the early-season style of iso and jacked-up long twos in this game. I don't blame Rozier for being frustrated. How many plays in the 4th had Tatum and Rozier standing in the corner watching Kyrie try and fail to get open only to jack up a late shot or pass it off to the Marci for a late shot? Tatum still ended up with a decent point total but if you watched the game, I really fault Kyrie for not getting him involved nearly enough
 

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I know he hit those incredible 3s in OT and he is definitely capable of superstar plays like that, but I'm just not sure I like Kyrie on this team. Compared to the Pelicans game, it seemed like he brought back the early-season style of iso and jacked-up long twos in this game. I don't blame Rozier for being frustrated. How many plays in the 4th had Tatum and Rozier standing in the corner watching Kyrie try and fail to get open only to jack up a late shot or pass it off to the Marci for a late shot? Tatum still ended up with a decent point total but if you watched the game, I really fault Kyrie for not getting him involved nearly enough
There are few teams that can be competitive, let alone win, a game against a playoff team in which 3-5 starting and rotation players are unavailable. I would argue that your anecdotal evidence is a feature and not a bug as having someone that has the ability score at all levels and make offense when needed is something that can keep a depleted roster, or a team that is having an off-night, in the game (IT4 says hello). I think it's important to also note that his efficiency last night was below average (for him) and it's likely that his shoulder still isn't 100% right.

Additionally, Kyrie has shown a clear effort in becoming more of a distributor and field general while running the offense, and has taken his defensive game to the next level this season. If there weren't 10-15 other games that showed the exact opposite behavior that you're concerned about, you might have something here.
 

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There are few teams that can be competitive, let alone win, a game against a playoff team in which 3-5 starting and rotation players are unavailable. I would argue that your anecdotal evidence is a feature and not a bug as having someone that has the ability score at all levels and make offense when needed is something that can keep a depleted roster, or a team that is having an off-night, in the game (IT4 says hello). I think it's important to also note that his efficiency last night was below average (for him) and it's likely that his shoulder still isn't 100% right.

Additionally, Kyrie has shown a clear effort in becoming more of a distributor and field general while running the offense, and has taken his defensive game to the next level this season. If there weren't 10-15 other games that showed the exact opposite behavior that you're concerned about, you might have something here.
Yes. KI would have been pretty helpful in Game 7 against the Cavs last year.