11-24: Celtics vs. Mavs

lexrageorge

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The talent isn't as good as we had thought or hoped, and the talent they do have doesn't fit. A 0.500 team is what they are until they prove otherwise.
 

amarshal2

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Celtics didn't shoot poorly for once but you can't lose turnovers, o-boards, three pointers made, points in the paint, and points from the charity stripe and win a basketball game.

I think for the most part this loss is about the shoddy defense and the careless turnovers, neither of which has really been a problem. Ugh.
 

luckiestman

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The Knicks game was worse.

I know Hardaway can shoot and we were just never into that game. We looked like we were trying tonight and a rookie and JJ Barrea said no, so we said sorry.

Then we got chippy cause we were mad we suck. Psychological and physical beat down by the Danny Devito of the NBA
 

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How many hideous floaters is Rozier going to shoot? How many dumbass mid-rangers is Tatum going to take when someone is standing wide open in the corner?

Driving me nuts.
 

Deathofthebambino

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Zach Lavine is averaging 7 free throw attempts per night. Up from his career average of 3.1 per game.

Kyrie is averaging 3.1 per night. Down from his career average of 4.4 per game.

Someone explain it to me?
 

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Al was bad. Kyrie was bad. Semi took no shots in 19 minutes. Baynes was bad. Rozier was bad. And yet Theis (and even Sleepy) didn't see the floor.
 

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I said it earlier in the thread, but I don’t think we can have Al playing the 5 anymore. He may also need his minutes dialed back. He looked so slow and tired tonight. Brad had to bring in Baynes out of his normal sub cycle because Al was getting rebounded over on the defensive end. When he throws up 3s now he hits a lot of front rims. Maybe he’s hurt. Whatever it is, he’s one of the problems.
 

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I said this the other night. They simply cannot win games if Kyrie is off right now. If he's not shooting 60% or so, they have no chance.
After KI's 43 point game against Toronto, I was accused of trolling the board, by making the observation, while KI putting up a super-human effort was great, the Celts still had a full portfolio of suck/underperformance to deal with.
 

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How many hideous floaters is Rozier going to shoot? How many dumbass mid-rangers is Tatum going to take when someone is standing wide open in the corner?

Driving me nuts.
Feels like the philosophy that has seen Smart jack up three after three with no repercussions has finally caught up to Stevens in a year where there is actual pressure and expectations to be great.
 

amarshal2

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47% from the field, 35% from 3. Mavs only made one more shot but made six more three pointers. Mavs took a lot more free throws but only made one more.

I don't even think the difference is effort or reffing. I think our shot profile fucking sucks. These idiots are taking a billion mid-range shots and it's losing them games to terrible teams. Mavs took 13 more three pointers. There's your fucking game.
Mavs made long three pointers at a ridiculous rate. They shouldn't have taken many of those.
 

luckiestman

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How many hideous floaters is Rozier going to shoot? How many dumbass mid-rangers is Tatum going to take when someone is standing wide open in the corner?

Driving me nuts.

If you’re looking to blame someone, I’d go with the 9/24 guy not the 9/14 guy. But I view this as a team loss.
 

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Kyrie is really struggling right now. I don't know what the issue is but if he just shoots his season average this game is different. Also, Rozier appears to be all-in on getting his numbers mode. Ainge isn't going to do anything rash but perhaps they have to look at it as addition by subtraction.

I will continue to watch but I don't blame anyone for being frustrated for calling out just about any player or Stevens. Nobody is immune at this point. That said, Dallas isn't a bad team - they are a middling one. The reality is that at this point, the Celtics are too. That is a tough pill to swallow.
 

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I said it earlier in the thread, but I don’t think we can have Al playing the 5 anymore. He may also need his minutes dialed back. He looked so slow and tired tonight. Brad had to bring in Baynes out of his normal sub cycle because Al was getting rebounded over on the defensive end.
A number of us have been beating this drum. He cannot do it, and he needs his minutes reduced on top of that. Theis and Wlliams ride the pine tonight, though.

I have no clue what this team is doing.
 

Deathofthebambino

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I said it earlier in the thread, but I don’t think we can have Al playing the 5 anymore. He may also need his minutes dialed back. He looked so slow and tired tonight. Brad had to bring in Baynes out of his normal sub cycle because Al was getting rebounded over on the defensive end. When he throws up 3s now he hits a lot of front rims. Maybe he’s hurt. Whatever it is, he’s one of the problems.
I've been saying this for a while, but the Al brigade shoots me down every time. He's getting killed on the defensive end when he tries to guard a 5, or the other team just runs a pick, so he ends up on whatever guard the other team has hot at the moment and they just eat him alive. Then on the offensive end, well, I'm not really sure what he's doing well, because if Brad isn't going to use him to set screens and have the offense go through him once in a while, he's just another body out there.
 

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It just seems like the offense of the NBA has passed the Celtics by. Teams with way less talent are just more efficient. I'm not sure if it's coaching, roster construction, player execution or all three.
 
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Kyrie is really struggling right now. I don't know what the issue is but if he just shoots his season average this game is different. Also, Rozier appears to be all-in on getting his numbers mode. Ainge isn't going to do anything rash but perhaps they have to look at it as addition by subtraction.

I will continue to watch but I don't blame anyone for being frustrated for calling out just about any player or Stevens. Nobody is immune at this point. That said, Dallas isn't a bad team - they are a middling one. The reality is that at this point, the Celtics are too. That is a tough pill to swallow.
These jerks are going to keep me watching all year long because the talent alone is special and the lights could flicker on at any point.

But holy shit is this a frustrating season so far.
 

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Is there a site that tracks the number of screens a team sets? It seems like every night the other guys are getting favorable switches and exploiting mismatches, and we’re out there just taking guys one-on-one as they come.
 

Deathofthebambino

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Is there a site that tracks the number of screens a team sets? It seems like every night the other guys are getting favorable switches and exploiting mismatches, and we’re out there just taking guys one-on-one as they come.
Screens? What are those? Right now, the offense is the point guard dribbling at the top of the key, four guys around the 3 point line, point guard drives, and either takes a shot, turns it over, or kicks it out. Then that guy either passes to another guy on the perimeter, shoots the 3, or pump fakes and then tries to drive. If he drives, then the chart resets to when the point guard drives. Lather rinse repeat...

If I knew how to make one of those flow chart things, I'd do it, I would only need like four bubbles.
 

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Screens? What are those? Right now, the offense is the point guard dribbling at the top of the key, four guys around the 3 point line, point guard drives, and either takes a shot, turns it over, or kicks it out. Then that guy either passes to another guy on the perimeter, shoots the 3, or pump fakes and then tries to drive. If he drives, then the chart resets to when the point guard drives. Lather rinse repeat...

If I knew how to make one of those flow chart things, I'd do it, I would only need like four bubbles.
Are we talking Kyrie or Rozier? Rozier is one bubble. Shoot a bad two and give less of a shit than Kyrie on defense.
 

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I appreciate radsoxfan's informed perspective and I agree that Hayward's progression continues to bear watching. However this is the second game of a road back-to-back right after ("Fuck") Thanksgiving AKA early in the season. Brad giving Hayward an extra night off not only gives him more rest but also allows Jaylen and the rotation some more minutes to work out their issues.
Thanks. And I think “bears watching” is probably a good way to put it. I didn’t intend to sound too many alarms. We clearly don’t know from the outside how precautionary this is, or how much pain he still has.

Obviously a best case scenario of no pain, no issues, and near pre-injury athleticism hasn’t happened yet. That was a possible outcome by this point if you asked me a year ago, so I’d have to say that’s mildly disappointing.

Doesn’t mean the door is shut on a completely successful return by any means, just that it would have been nice if it was more assured by now.
 

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Zach Lavine is averaging 7 free throw attempts per night. Up from his career average of 3.1 per game.

Kyrie is averaging 3.1 per night. Down from his career average of 4.4 per game.

Someone explain it to me?
Regression to the mean is inevitable?