11.21.2018 Celtics v. Knickerbockers @ the Jungle

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I’m thankful I don’t have to watch this team play basketball for another 48 hours
 

CTSOX

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First wire to wire victory for the Knicks since January 2017 per MSG. This team is a fucking joke right now.
 

Ale Xander

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pathetic first three quarters

how do you lose to this team at home
How do you go down 26 points in the 2nd quarter?
 

bigq

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Ugh 9-9 doesn’t feel very good. Inconsistency is frustrating. Celtics could not dig out of the first half hole they put themselves in. Knicks shot 50% on 3s. Yuck.
 

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Last 10 games. Opposing team’s leading scoring and the delta off their season average (as of right now). James and Walker lead the league with about 29 PPG, for reference. So half of these are above the league average and two more are damn close.

43 - Walker (+15)

28 - Mitchell (+7)

31 - Leonard (+6)

14 - Parker (-1)

19 - Lillard (-8)

27 - Ingles (+14)

38 - Booker (+15)

48 - Murray (+37)

24 - Oladipo (+3)

33 - Freak (+7)

Maybe the defense is overall good. But there’s a weak link in the chain I would say.
Adding to my list.

29 - Burke (+15)

Every single night. One player just toasts the Celtics.
 

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Knicks with their best 3 pt. shooting % of the season this game. Celtics sucked, but that didn't help.
 

Light-Tower-Power

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I’m so fucking sick of the “hats off” shit from Brad. It’s the Knicks...these are Gino time games. They shouldn’t even be close to us.
 

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Knicks with their best 3 pt. shooting % of the season this game. Celtics sucked, but that didn't help.
When does it stop being about the other team making 3's and the C's not being able to stop them? This is a nightly occurrence in the month of November. Basically, the C's can't shoot the 3, and they can't stop opposing guards.
 

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Underrated stat of the night? Mitchell Robinson with 6 blocks...Guy dominated the interior for a long stretch at one point, including the mess of a minute at the end of the third when Terry was on the floor.
 

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Underrated stat of the night? Mitchell Robinson with 6 blocks...Guy dominated the interior for a long stretch at one point, including the mess of a minute at the end of the third when Terry was on the floor.
8 pts and 6 blks isn’t really making an impact though...
 

Deathofthebambino

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Jimmy Butler and Redick combined to go 0-10 from 3 and 10-31 from the floor combined, and Philly still managed to eke out a win against the Pelicans tonight.

If Kyrie and Tatum have a night like that against the Pelicans, we might lose by 80.
 

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Jimmy Butler and Redick combined to go 0-10 from 3 and 10-31 from the floor combined, and Philly still managed to eke out a win against the Pelicans tonight.

If Kyrie and Tatum have a night like that against the Pelicans, we might lose by 80.
This is kind of burying the lede when their best player went for 31.
 

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a quick, defensive PG picking up the other teams PG full court, getting underneath them and trying to draw charges may help.

Rozier did that in the past. Larkin did that last year.
 

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Brad saying he saw good things out of that lineup at the end is fukn silly
That's the only positive thing he said in the whole press conference. He dressed the team down but in his subtle style. Saying they didn't deserve to win even if they won, saying they're not a 48 or even a 24 minute team, saying they have tons of issues to fix, questioning the overall talent of the team, etc.
 

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You still have to think that these guys are going to click at some point and lay down the unholiest of asskickings on some poor unsuspecting team but the longer this goes on the weirder it gets. First time we’ve ever seen a Brad Stevens team underachieve and we have no clue how they’re going to respond.
 

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This is kind of burying the lede when their best player went for 31.
Not really. 31 is only a few points more than what he averages anyway. He went 11/23 from the floor, had 7 turnovers and was -11.

It wasn't the stars that got it done for Philly. Simmons was ok, but he turned it over 6 times also.. Frankly, it was Landry Shamet's 15 points off the bench that was the difference in this one.
 

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Not really. 31 is only a few points more than what he averages anyway. He went 11/23 from the floor, had 7 turnovers and was -11.

It wasn't the stars that got it done for Philly. Simmons was ok, but he turned it over 6 times also.. Frankly, it was Landry Shamet's 15 points off the bench that was the difference in this one.
Sure, but he doesn't go up against Anthony Davis every night. He completely outplayed him, and that's why they won.
 

Deathofthebambino

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Sure, but he doesn't go up against Anthony Davis every night. He completely outplayed him, and that's why they won.
Did he outplay him? I guess if you're only looking at total points, he did, but:

Anthony Davis: 4/13 from the field, 12 points, 16 rebounds (6 offensive), 6 assists, 5 blocks, 5 steals, 6 turnovers, -7
Embiid: 11/23 from the field, 31 points, 19 rebounds (5 offensive), 2 assists, 2 blocks, 0 steals, 7 turnovers, -11.

Seems to me they both played pretty well, Davis just did a bunch of other things besides score tonight, but I didn't see the game, so maybe Embiid schooled him. Just don't know if the numbers support it.
 

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Has to be either Rozier or Brown. Or both.
What a shame to trade either of them at their nadir in trade value. We could have had Kawhi for Brown, Rozier, and filler probably.

I wouldn’t have made the trade at the time, either, but these two have seriously fall far fast. Long season, fortunately.
 

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What a shame to trade either of them at their nadir in trade value. We could have had Kawhi for Brown, Rozier, and filler probably.

I wouldn’t have made the trade at the time, either, but these two have seriously fall far fast. Long season, fortunately.
Where did you see that trade? The numbers don't even work but if they did, Ainge would have done it in a cocaine heartbeat.
 

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Exactly, and we basically got curb stomped from the opening bell by the 4-14 Knicks. Imagine what'll happen against a good team like the Pelicans if they play even worse than that.
They were down by 4 with just under 60 seconds left to play and JB at the FT line.

Look, I hate to repeat JVGundy here but the NBA really is a make or miss league. And the Cs aren't making much.

The Cs are shooting.345% from 3P and have an EFg% of .506 . Last year they shot .377% from 3P and had an EFG% of .518. They are 20 / 21 in 3P% and EFg%. If they don't start shooting better, this team is going to be middle of the pack.
 

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Trading Brown for nothing to shake things up would be a mistake you might not recover from, depending on the return. This isn’t Fultz we’re talking about. Rozier is whatever, he’s half out the door anyway and everyone knows it.
 

bigq

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He actually said it!

Dude is wonderfully weird.
I have no doubt that he did. I’m not sure why I found it so funny. I’m actually glad that he is pissed off and that he cares enough to say that. I’m thankful for Kyrie.
 

Van Everyman

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Trading Brown for nothing to shake things up would be a mistake you might not recover from, depending on the return. This isn’t Fultz we’re talking about. Rozier is whatever, he’s half out the door anyway and everyone knows it.
Completely agree. Brown had several nights last season where his performance carried them and seems like his problem is that he can’t get out of his head sometimes. I would be shocked if they traded such a talented and seemingly thoughtful kid.

There is a piece of me that wonders whether Brad came into this season knowing that they had big rotational issues to resolve with Kyrie and Gordon coming back and too little emotional maturity to handle it. So he has spent the first several weeks explicitly trying to break this team with unbalanced lineups while doing unconventional things like having Hayward run the point. Sort of the break them down before building them back up approach.

Or maybe I’ve just watched too many Kung fu movies.