11.21.2018 Celtics v. Knickerbockers @ the Jungle

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I think the turning on Stevens stuff is sheer lunacy. Must be what it is like to be a Pats fan when people are going nuts about BB. They’re 3-22 from 3 tonight there isn’t a coach in the league who doesn’t have their team shooting 3s.
If they shoot average, they're only down 3 or 4 to the Knicks at home. Winning!
 

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I agree with you here. I think a swap for a game manager type would be ideal. They just need a competent distributor who takes what he is given and isn't trying to take over. I think moving Rozier is an obvious move at this point.
I can agree to this! It just isn’t working with him. Would probably be best for both sides to move on.
 

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If they shoot average, they're only down 3 or 4 to the Knicks at home. Winning!
If they shoot average, the Knicks are inbounding the ball and the Celtics could focus on playing less wretched defense. The problem is not the coach, you’re off your rocker on this
 

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If they shoot average, the Knicks are inbounding the ball and the Celtics could focus on playing less wretched defense. The problem is not the coach, you’re off your rocker on this
I'm a huge Brad fan. This year he consistently has not had the team ready to play.
 

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I'm a huge Brad fan. This year he consistently has not had the team ready to play.
Ditto, and it’s absolutely the worst possible year for this to happen, if it continues. It could completely blow the rebuild if Kyrie gets scared away.
 

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Ditto, and it’s absolutely the worst possible year for this to happen, if it continues. It could completely blow the rebuild if Kyrie gets scared away.
Right, and this is what's concerning to me. The NBA is about stars, period. If you have one (who wants to play defense now, too!), you don't blow his contract year fucking around with rotations and trying to keep Terry Rozier and Marcus Smart happy. If your coach can't cope with this reality, no matter how talented he is, he can't coach in the NBA.
 

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I'm a huge Brad fan. This year he consistently has not had the team ready to play.
He’s mixing and matching and trying to find viable units. Not ready to play assumes there’s something he could be doing to make these guys make shots. A few weeks ago everyone wanted a big lineup and he has started that and it hasn’t changed things. They are generating open looks according to the stats. There are things he can do better but he’s facing an impossible problem right now. The players need to make shots
 

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He’s mixing and matching and trying to find viable units. Not ready to play assumes there’s something he could be doing to make these guys make shots. A few weeks ago everyone wanted a big lineup and he has started that and it hasn’t changed things. They are generating open looks according to the stats. There are things he can do better but he’s facing an impossible problem right now. The players need to make shots
They're generating nothing at the rim and taking tons of long 2s.
 

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Do you really think Brad Stevens is sending them out there with the instructions to take more 2s?
He has consistently let Tatum stay on the floor while jacking them most of the year. He started benching him a bit for it recently, but it took awhile. Not disciplining guys for dumb shit is tantamount to instructing them to do it, particularly when they're young guys.
 

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Hayward has one man to beat and instead of taking it hard to the basket he slows up, passes it to Horford way too early and he turns it over. Jesus Christ.
 

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He’s mixing and matching and trying to find viable units. Not ready to play assumes there’s something he could be doing to make these guys make shots. A few weeks ago everyone wanted a big lineup and he has started that and it hasn’t changed things. They are generating open looks according to the stats. There are things he can do better but he’s facing an impossible problem right now. The players need to make shots
No, he has not tried the big lineup. That's bullshit. He started Baynes the other night, played him 7 minutes and then benched him the rest of the game.

He started Baynes tonight, played him 8 minutes and he's only played 4 minutes since that time, and Baynes has the 3rd best +- on the team tonight behind Kyrie and Gordon.

It's almost like Brad is starting him so he can tell people he tried it and it didn't work, when the reality is when Baynes came out in the 1st half, that's when it all went to shit. You'd think he would have given it another shot. That's when Horford was getting looks underneath and shit. All of it ended, never to be seen again.
 

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To clarify, the Celtics have had some stretches this year where they've generated tons of great looks with awesome ball movement, and missed the looks. I'm fine with those--I even enjoy them to some degree. They've also had very long stretches of putrid offense, with little threatening action and poor ball movement, which has bled into awful defensive effort and miscommunications. That's what's on the coach, not the missed shots.
 

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He has consistently let Tatum stay on the floor while jacking them most of the year. He started benching him a bit for it recently, but it took awhile. Not disciplining guys for dumb shit is tantamount to instructing them to do it, particularly when they're young guys.
And the alternative to Tatum is more Brown or more Hayward and they’ve been wretched themselves.
 

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And the alternative to Tatum is more Brown or more Hayward and they’ve been wretched themselves.
False dichotomy. The alternative to Tatum shooting bad 2s is benching him every time he does it until he stops, at which point you can play him a ton again.

EDIT: they did that tonight whenever he did, and he's obviously been making a conscious effort to stop shooting them. This isn't rocket science.