11.21.2018 Celtics v. Knickerbockers @ the Jungle

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It’s not so much this loss, because they’ll win tonight. It’s that any momentum will be lost when they’ll implode again Friday. It doesn’t take the NSA to decrypt this pattern.
 

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well Gordon doesn't look too bad
Two solid defensive plays. Was getting his way inside and had a free roll on the play where he got the and one on Horford shot. People are greatly exaggerating his demise. He's not the only one on this team that can't shoot threes lol
 

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Can someone explain to me what exactly Aron Baynes did wrong in his 8 minutes at the start of the game? They were -4 when he was in there.

Brad did the same thing last game, started him, played him 7 minutes and then benched him for the rest of the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what Brad is doing right now, and I'm starting to feel like maybe he doesn't either. It's a lot easier to win games when nobody expects you to, and maybe that's really what the last few years have been all about.
He's done this for 5 years with the center. Did you watch during the Amir Johnson years?
 

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On the bright side, due to the complete collapse of our roster, Hayward has re-emerged as the second best player on the team.
 

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hayward continues to show his limitations are only physical. his defense, passing, and general bbiq has been above average for the last 10 games.

jaylen, on the other hand, is letting his offensive slump extend to his defense.
 

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Can someone explain to me what exactly Aron Baynes did wrong in his 8 minutes at the start of the game? They were -4 when he was in there.

Brad did the same thing last game, started him, played him 7 minutes and then benched him for the rest of the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what Brad is doing right now, and I'm starting to feel like maybe he doesn't either. It's a lot easier to win games when nobody expects you to, and maybe that's really what the last few years have been all about.
Yeah Brad did not forget how to coach from June to now. He deserves his share of the blame for some of the system things that are wrong, but the players have to perform better. They are missing open shot after open shot consistently every single night. How is that Brad's fault? He's getting them open shots and they can't hit them. The heavy analytical emphasis on 3's is questionable but hey that's where the game is going. When they don't make shots, their energy level goes way down and it affects every single part of their games and it's snowballing. This is where Brad needs to step in and do something but he can't make them make shots.
 

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The Jaylen Brown thing is getting weird. The stats are putrid enough, but the eye test is much much worse.

He forgot how to run, jump, or try. Might be more than a slump, something is wrong.
 

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I've been trying to avoid going off TOO hard on Brad for awhile, since he always makes me look bad soon after. Maybe they'll even win tonight; wouldn't shock me.

But this year's coaching performance has been really, really bad, particularly when I compare it to what new coaches with similar or lower talent levels have done in Milwaukee and Toronto. Hell, give the Celtics Dave Joerger and where would they be now? Brad seems really checked out--is there any chance he got overconfident? Is there any personal shit on his end we don't know about?
 

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Do you seriously think Williams would make a difference? Kanter would destroy him at this point in his development. Rookie bigs, especially skinnier ones, get worked early on.
Yes, because Al’s days as a 5 are over. This team cannot win with Al playing the role of big man. Williams should be getting 15 minutes a game with the big club.
 

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Yeah Brad did not forget how to coach from June to now. He deserves his share of the blame for some of the system things that are wrong, but the players have to perform better. They are missing open shot after open shot consistently every single night. How is that Brad's fault? He's getting them open shots and they can't hit them. The heavy analytical emphasis on 3's is questionable but hey that's where the game is going. When they don't make shots, their energy level goes way down and it affects every single part of their games and it's snowballing. This is where Brad needs to step in and do something but he can't make them make shots.
Dude, they just gave up 65 points to the Knicks in the 1st half, including 39 in the 2nd quarter. Sure, when they miss, it leads to easier opportunities, but this is the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NBA (or so I've been told), so it all can't be explained away by missing shots.
 

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Yeah Brad did not forget how to coach from June to now. He deserves his share of the blame for some of the system things that are wrong, but the players have to perform better. They are missing open shot after open shot consistently every single night. How is that Brad's fault? He's getting them open shots and they can't hit them. The heavy analytical emphasis on 3's is questionable but hey that's where the game is going. When they don't make shots, their energy level goes way down and it affects every single part of their games and it's snowballing. This is where Brad needs to step in and do something but he can't make them make shots.
This is spot on. They are 1-7 from three tonight and have been miserable from deep all year. Open looks too. How is it on Brad if players cannot even get to their career levels for looks that middling college players could make? Brad certainly deserves to be looked at for rotations etc but the scoring is the issue. If they could hit their open shots, especially from deep, we wouldn't be having nearly as many of these sky-is-falling/end of the world conversations...
 

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hayward continues to show his limitations are only physical. his defense, passing, and general bbiq has been above average for the last 10 games.

jaylen, on the other hand, is letting his offensive slump extend to his defense.
I don't know why people are saying this. Jaylen's defense during his first rotation was fine. In fact, the starters were in this game until Brad pulled them with about 4 minutes left in the 1st quarter. Then it all went to shit, and Jaylen hasn't been on the floor for 90% of it. He only played 10 minutes.
 

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NY is 8-16 from deep. Boston is 1-7. Facts.
Only getting 7 3s, against the Knicks, is beyond awful, particularly for a team that doesn't get to the rim much. The modern NBA is all about generating 3s. When they missed a bunch to start against the Pacers, they got a ton more later and got back to a decent %.

If the Knicks miss 2 3s and are 6-16 (38%), the Celtics would only have given up 60 points to the Knicks for the half! C US Rise!
 

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I've been trying to avoid going off TOO hard on Brad for awhile, since he always makes me look bad soon after. Maybe they'll even win tonight; wouldn't shock me.

But this year's coaching performance has been really, really bad, particularly when I compare it to what new coaches with similar or lower talent levels have done in Milwaukee and Toronto. Hell, give the Celtics Dave Joerger and where would they be now? Brad seems really checked out--is there any chance he got overconfident? Is there any personal shit on his end we don't know about?
Are we blaming Brad for the players missing open shots? Or generally not giving a fuck?
 

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Yes, because Al’s days as a 5 are over. This team cannot win with Al playing the role of big man. Williams should be getting 15 minutes a game with the big club.
Well, I think 15 minutes/night for Williams for the big club is a recipe for even worse outcomes than we've seen. But I guess now is when we all decide that Ainge and his FO dont know what they are doing. Because criticizing them for letting a rookie big with questions around his judgement develop in the G league are doing exactly that.
 

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Amazingly, the C's have gotten to the line almost as many times as they normally average in a game. They had 17 free throw attempts in the 1st half, which is a massive improvement (they have 19/g).
 

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Well, I think 15 minutes/night for Williams for the big club is a recipe for even worse outcomes than we've seen. But I guess now is when we all decide that Ainge and his FO dont know what they are doing. Because criticizing them for letting a rookie big with questions around his judgement develop in the G league are doing exactly that.
Explain to me why Mitchell Robinson can make an impact in NBA games but Williams cannot. I’ll hang up and listen.
 

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This is why I don't buy the "just missing shots" stuff. They've missed shots this half, but the purpose and energy are 50x higher.
 

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Explain to me why Mitchell Robinson can make an impact in NBA games but Williams cannot. I’ll hang up and listen.
What impact is Mitchell Robinson making? And is his team a stacked roster? I'll hang up and let you and others explain how you know more about where Williams is in his development than Ainge et al.
 

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They basically need Kyrie to just take over for a week imo. Everyone is just so tight and missing makeable shots because they are all too aware of how bad they’ve been. It’s hard to quantify but I think they’ll all settle down if a few guys take the pressure off by making shots. Kyrie probably has the most confidence of all of them so it’s probably going to take him playing like he’s on a really bad team and taking the responsibility of shooting no matter how bad he is.