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The only guard who matters is Walker. Nobody was stopping him tonight. Dude shot 56% from the field and 54% from deep. He is unconscious. I am not sure Brown would have made a difference at all.
Tonight it was Walker, it was Jamal Murray, it was Devin Booker....And I know I'm missing a couple.

How are we letting one player on a team beat us so often? Fucking double team him. Deny him the ball, do SOMETHING. But letting the guy that Al is guarding come and set the screen, and then switching to Al is not fucking working. I don't know what exactly Al can do, because he can't guard 5's, and he can't guard 1's and 2's, but this ain't working.
 

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Not the start to the season that was hoped for or expected. 17 games in and this team is what their record says. Mediocre. That being said, I do not feel they are substianally worse than the six teams that are ahead of them in the Eastern Conference standings. This Celtics team has time to find their identity and I am confident they will be playing much better ball over their final 17 games of the season.
 

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So you are giving them two more days?
Something is wrong with this team. It’s hard (or impossible)
to fix shooting, but I’m not sure why the defense stinks.
This has all been preseason in my head or something like that.
 

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Yeah the Baynes/Tatum/Rozier/Morris/Smart lineup was trash offensively as you might expect and they never recovered.
Every lineup that features 2 out 3 of Irving/Smart/Rozier has been a mess offensively. Literally every single time, except the first half tonight when Smart and Rozier both made 3's. Man, things were so good then...
 

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Walker scored 60 in his last game; the Celtics did a better job slowing him down than Philly did. The NBA is a game driven by stars making plays and tonight in the fourth quarter; Walker was cooking and nobody on the Celtics could step up and match him.

There not blowing the doors off of anyone, but there are a lot of overreactions in this thread. The team has talent, the right attitude and a very good coach. I can say that I’m not worried about this team until they are hovering around .500 in February.
 

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Horford trying to play the Shot and the drive instead of stepping up on those Kemba 3's was super frustrating. Al -- YOURE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER ON A DRIVE REGARDLESS AT LEAST CONTEST THE SHOT
 

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I don’t care whether or not it’s the reason they are losing but Stevens has been objectively bad this year. Bad rotations, icing players, piss-poor offense, and slow adjustments. A lot of it is on the players but he looks like he’s behind the controls pushing random buttons out there.
 

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How many guys have you said this about this year?

3? 4?

But there's no trend on our part?
Devin Booker, Victor Oladipo, Jamal Murray, Joe Ingles, Donovan Mitchell, Kemba Walker...

I'm just wondering what's going to happen when we actually play some of the real superstars in the league, like Harden, Lebron, Curry, Durant, Westbrook, etc....
 

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Not the start to the season that was hoped for or expected. 17 games in and this team is what their record says. Mediocre. That being said, I do not feel they are substianally worse than the six teams that are ahead of them in the Eastern Conference standings. This Celtics team has time to find their identity and I am confident they will be playing much better ball over their final 17 games of the season.
Iawtc. I don't think our current record will bury us by any means. But we really gotta start improving before we dig too deep a hole. I don't know what is going on but they're just too talented to not figure it out.
 

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This team walked into training camp and let it be known that they believe they can win 55-60 games with their eyes closed. Some players (Jaylen Brown top among them) have kept this silly shit up throughout the season. The attitude fucking sucks right now. They need to humble themselves and get back to basics.
 

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If only somebody could pinpoint the problem.

Seriously though I started wondering if the problem is that nobody can consistently win 1:1 battles at the end of the game. Both Tatum and Kyrie were mediocre and Kemba was great
Kyrie Irving doesn't consistently win one-on-one battles at the end of the game? Really?
 

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Several possessions down the stretch featured Hayward dribbling in circles doing nothing before passing to Kyrie for a prayer. If people think that was the best use of the roster tonight and that an L was inevitable because of Kemba then that’s fine. It’s wrong, but it’s fine.
 

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I blame the offense more than the defense. Yes Kemba was amazing but they were up 10 in the fourth and had the opportunity to win in a shootout but as pointed out above, they went away from what was working offensively and started relying on long jumpers that didn't go in. Does playing JB solve that problem? I don't know but Hayward was dogshit at both ends and he played the entire quarter down the stretch.
 

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Several possessions down the stretch featured Hayward dribbling in circles doing nothing before passing to Kyrie for a prayer. If people think that was the best use of the roster tonight and that an L was inevitable because of Kemba then that’s fine. It’s wrong, but it’s fine.
He finally took Gordon out of the starting lineup, but still managed to get him 31 minutes.

Jaylen 19 minutes, Smart 26, Morris 26....

If Jaylen was playing poorly, I could totally understand this. But Jaylen finally looked to be doing what he should have been doing all season and he was rewarded with getting benched for the 2nd half. I don't get it. Maybe Danny is getting ready to move him.
 

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Several possessions down the stretch featured Hayward dribbling in circles doing nothing before passing to Kyrie for a prayer. If people think that was the best use of the roster tonight and that an L was inevitable because of Kemba then that’s fine. It’s wrong, but it’s fine.
See this I agree with. Their shot selection and ball movement went from excellent in the first half to non existent in the second half.

And when Marcus Smart is your best three point shooter, you are kind of fucked
 

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An issue with this team is there is no real way to get easy points when some guys are slumping. Everything seems to be relying on 3 point shots and 1-on-1 long jumpers. They need to figure out a way to attack the rim more, get shots in the paint, and go to the free throw line. At first, you can excuse the struggles as just shooting bad but when it becomes the norm the philosophy of what they're doing should come into question. Offense should work from inside out not the opposite way.

I'll continue to preach patience with this team as they are way too talented to keep this up longer. But, consistent strides on offense need to be made or this season could become a real problem.
 

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Some game stats:

Kyrie was 1-8 from deep, Kemba was 7-13

Smart was 4-6 from deep and Rozier was 2-4. The rest of the team was 3-22. The Hornets, meanwhile shot 36.6 from deep. As was pointed out in the main forum, this team is not shooting well. If they could just match Charlotte they likely win this game.
 

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I don’t care whether or not it’s the reason they are losing but Stevens has been objectively bad this year. Bad rotations, icing players, piss-poor offense, and slow adjustments. A lot of it is on the players but he looks like he’s behind the controls pushing random buttons out there.
Only one of these three things is true and I am interested in what you and others think (legitimately; not trying to be snarky):

1) Stevens was never that good and all the “genius” talk in prior years was a major overreaction;

2) Stevens is still just as good of a coach and the issues lie elsewhere;

3) Stevens somehow, over the course of an off-season, went from a great coach to a bad one.
 

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Some game stats:

Kyrie was 1-8 from deep, Kemba was 7-13

Smart was 4-6 from deep and Rozier was 2-4. The rest of the team was 3-22. The Hornets, meanwhile shot 36.6 from deep. As was pointed out in the main forum, this team is not shooting well. If they could just match Charlotte they likely win this game.
Need to stop bombing 30 and 40 3's every night and get to the rim.
 

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Need to stop bombing 30 and 40 3's every night and get to the rim.
They also need to start making some open threes. They were 9-32 from deep tonight and Smart made four of them. This offense was built on shooting a ton of open threes which they're getting. If they're not actually a good shooting team then they're completely dead in the water. We keep waiting for them to improve but they haven't been able to consistently knock down threes since the preseason. The sample size is small but growing.
 

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Only one of these three things is true and I am interested in what you and others think (legitimately; not trying to be snarky):

1) Stevens was never that good and all the “genius” talk in prior years was a major overreaction;

2) Stevens is still just as good of a coach and the issues lie elsewhere;

3) Stevens somehow, over the course of an off-season, went from a great coach to a bad one.
4) Stevens is intentionally sabotaging his own team to toughen them up for the playoffs.
 

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Only one of these three things is true and I am interested in what you and others think (legitimately; not trying to be snarky):

1) Stevens was never that good and all the “genius” talk in prior years was a major overreaction;

2) Stevens is still just as good of a coach and the issues lie elsewhere;

3) Stevens somehow, over the course of an off-season, went from a great coach to a bad one.
Its number two imho and everything else is an overreaction. This team has some issues that it needs to fix. I feel confident they will do so over the next 15-20 games. Others feel that maybe the C's should make changes and I suspect there may well be people out there who want Brad gone given that they think he is fucking up the rotations. I don't honestly know what it is but I do agree if they aren't hitting from the outside, they need to try to get more efficient two point shots. Midranges are not the answer.
 

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They also need to start making some open threes. They were 9-32 from deep tonight and Smart made four of them. This offense was built on shooting a ton of open threes which they're getting. If they're not actually a good shooting team then they're completely dead in the water. We keep waiting for them to improve but they haven't been able to consistently knock down threes since the preseason. The sample size is small but growing.
They lead the league in percentage of open shots missed so yes this is true. Maybe it's a large anomoly that they'll break or maybe they need to re-think their shot selections.
 

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Kemba and Kyrie both took 25 shots. Kemba had 43 points to KI’s 27

That's one part hitting threes and one part Kyrie taking 3 FTs to Kemba's 9.
 

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Only one of these three things is true and I am interested in what you and others think (legitimately; not trying to be snarky):

1) Stevens was never that good and all the “genius” talk in prior years was a major overreaction;

2) Stevens is still just as good of a coach and the issues lie elsewhere;

3) Stevens somehow, over the course of an off-season, went from a great coach to a bad one.
I think it’s probably #2 but he is clearly having a hard time right now.
 

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Last 10 games. Opposing team’s leading scoring and the delta off their season average (as of right now). James and Walker lead the league with about 29 PPG, for reference. So half of these are above the league average and two more are damn close.

43 - Walker (+15)

28 - Mitchell (+7)

31 - Leonard (+6)

14 - Parker (-1)

19 - Lillard (-8)

27 - Ingles (+14)

38 - Booker (+15)

48 - Murray (+37)

24 - Oladipo (+3)

33 - Freak (+7)

Maybe the defense is overall good. But there’s a weak link in the chain I would say.
 

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Last 10 games. Opposing team’s leading scoring and the delta off their season average (as of right now). James and Walker lead the league with about 29 PPG, for reference.

43 - Walker (+15)

28 - Mitchell (+7)

31 - Leonard (+6)

14 - Parker (-1)

19 - Lillard (-8)

27 - Ingles (+14)

38 - Booker (+15)

48 - Murray (+37)

24 - Oladipo (+3)

33 - Freak (+7)

Maybe the defense is overall good. But there’s a weak link in the chain I would say.
I wonder if the missed threes by Boston are part of this. Its creating more fast break opportunities for the oppositions lead dogs perhaps?
 

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I wonder if the missed threes by Boston are part of this. Its creating more fast break opportunities for the oppositions lead dogs perhaps?
They are 6th best in fast break points allowed, with 11.3 per game. So that’s not it. With more time we could dig into these top scorers and see where they made all their points. My eyes tell me they give up a lot of them in the paint, and a lot at the arc.
 

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Walker is leading the NBA in scoring so giving up a big night to him isn't a sign of much except that the guy has been going off all season. The other scoring performances you cite deserve some more analysis.
 

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Last 10 games. Opposing team’s leading scoring and the delta off their season average (as of right now). James and Walker lead the league with about 29 PPG, for reference. So half of these are above the league average and two more are damn close.

43 - Walker (+15)

28 - Mitchell (+7)

31 - Leonard (+6)

14 - Parker (-1)

19 - Lillard (-8)

27 - Ingles (+14)

38 - Booker (+15)

48 - Murray (+37)

24 - Oladipo (+3)

33 - Freak (+7)

Maybe the defense is overall good. But there’s a weak link in the chain I would say.
I think the fact that this is a list dominated by guards, and a lot of pretty small ones at that, is a trend worth taking note. Kawhi and Freak are going to get theirs against everyone, but Murray, Booker, Oladipo, Walker, etc. have all taken us to the woodshed, and all four of them did it down the stretch at the end of the game. Brad needs to figure this out, and nobody better be blaming Kyrie's defense for any of it.
 

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Only one of these three things is true and I am interested in what you and others think (legitimately; not trying to be snarky):

1) Stevens was never that good and all the “genius” talk in prior years was a major overreaction;

2) Stevens is still just as good of a coach and the issues lie elsewhere;

3) Stevens somehow, over the course of an off-season, went from a great coach to a bad one.
Stevens is a GREAT coach and it's a long season.

Brad is forcing Gordon into too much action, hoping it pays off down the road.

We'll be fine, this too shall pass.